Trump's Political Strategy: Shifting Blame for Afghanistan to Harris

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I'd say it's Harris's to lose, but she may yet do something on the lines of Clinton's "deplorables" comment. There is yet time for her mask to slip and the real Harris to be seen.

If the press was as nasty to her as it is to Trump, she wouldn't stand a chance, IMO. They are covering for her big time.

How do you cover sympathetically for a felon who bangs porn stars, cheats contractors, calls fallen soldiers suckers and losers, grifts sneakers and Bibles, and claims he has the biggest crowds? Who has 91 criminal indictments waiting in the wings? The media can only report the facts it gets. Nothing to do with nasty.

 

If I wrote Trump up as a Hollywood scriptwriter and submitted it for making a film, every producer  would be kicking me out of their offices, for being too preposterous.

 

Perhaps Bollywood might be interested. Hard to say  whether it would be comedy, tragedy or dystopian. Black comedy anyone?

[Dan O]

16 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Why should I have to support your false claims? You are supposed to do that. 

Here you since your all mouth and no substance for facts. I posted this already. You'll see Trump is the one that set the stage and hamstrung the govt with his deal. You can thank me later unless your to embarrased

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

Edited September 1 by Dan O

[Dan O]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Excellent response from you fully explaining why you consider it's nonsense.

 

Keep up the good work, as I'm agog to see your next contribution to the vibrant and informative conversation on the forum.

Yeah well I figured I'd match the level and quality of your posts. No need to post anything more than that in responding to your nonsense

[MalcolmB]

On 8/30/2024 at 5:49 AM, spidermike007 said:

And that was a very poor decision, which flew in the face of his pretending to have respect for the Armed Forces.

If it wasn’t for those foot spurs he would have gallantly served and you probably would have won that war with fearless Trump leading the troop into battle against the Communists.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Hillary was a terrible campaigner. So far, Harris has been amazing. I think she is a quick study and is adapting, something Trump is incapable of. He is a fossil. 

Apparently amazing at saying nothing and making it sound like something. The consummate politician, and that is not a compliment.

[thaibeachlovers]

13 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Yeah well I figured I'd match the level and quality of your posts. No need to post anything more than that in responding to your nonsense

At least I actually say something when I post.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, Dan O said:

Check your facts. He doesn't do any logistics planning in or for the military, he just sets policy direction. There is a whole section of tge military responsible for the logistics. You pathetic in your opinion that he sacrificed lives for a photo op and meme.

The POTUS is CIC, which means he is responsible for what happens. If incapable of that he shouldn't be POTUS. You have plenty of excuses for your hero. You blame Trump despite him not being CIC at the time.

 

[Yellowtail]

4 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

Hillary was a terrible campaigner. So far, Harris has been amazing. I think she is a quick study and is adapting, something Trump is incapable of. He is a fossil. 

What has been amazing about Harris' campaign? 

 

By "adapting", do you mean flipping on all of her policies until after the election? 

[Yellowtail]

3 hours ago, Dan O said:

Here you since your all mouth and no substance for facts. I posted this already. You'll see Trump is the one that set the stage and hamstrung the govt with his deal. You can thank me later unless your to embarrased

 

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/08/timeline-of-u-s-withdrawal-from-afghanistan/

"factcheck", that's hilarious. 

[Yellowtail]

2 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

If it wasn’t for those foot spurs he would have gallantly served and you probably would have won that war with fearless Trump leading the troop into battle against the Communists.

Yet no one cares that Biden and Clinton both dodged the draft.

[Dan O]

2 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The POTUS is CIC, which means he is responsible for what happens. If incapable of that he shouldn't be POTUS. You have plenty of excuses for your hero. You blame Trump despite him not being CIC at the time.

 

He does not do any of the logistic coordination for deployment or withdrawal, that's handled within the lower echelon ranks and there are specific detachments responsible, They make the decisions on what to send and what to bring back and its not even discussed with POTUS. Just like he does not load the backpacks or drive the tanks or fly the planes. You dont know much about how the govt or military  works and who actually does which jobs. The POTUS gives the General Orders but thats it. Does he carry the burden of "blame" for any and all things right or wrong during his Presidency, yeah. But your ignoring the fact that Trump made the agreements with the Taliban not the Afghan govt and pulled the majority of troops out (13000) leaving a ghost detail of some 2500 that came out under Biden. Get all the facts and stop posting bs that you know nothing about. 

 

 

Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan - FactCheck.org

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Dan O said:

He does not do any of the logistic coordination for deployment or withdrawal, that's handled within the lower echelon ranks and there are specific detachments responsible, They make the decisions on what to send and what to bring back and its not even discussed with POTUS. Just like he does not load the backpacks or drive the tanks or fly the planes. You dont know much about how the govt or military  works and who actually does which jobs. The POTUS gives the General Orders but thats it. Does he carry the burden of "blame" for any and all things right or wrong during his Presidency, yeah. But your ignoring the fact that Trump made the agreements with the Taliban not the Afghan govt and pulled the majority of troops out (13000) leaving a ghost detail of some 2500 that came out under Biden. Get all the facts and stop posting bs that you know nothing about. 

 

 

Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan - FactCheck.org

Exactly. Biden just told them to be out by 9/11 and went to beach. Not his fault. 

[stevenl]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

Yet no one cares that Biden and Clinton both dodged the draft.

Which of them is on the ballot?

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

He does not do any of the logistic coordination for deployment or withdrawal, that's handled within the lower echelon ranks and there are specific detachments responsible, They make the decisions on what to send and what to bring back and its not even discussed with POTUS. Just like he does not load the backpacks or drive the tanks or fly the planes. You dont know much about how the govt or military  works and who actually does which jobs. The POTUS gives the General Orders but thats it. Does he carry the burden of "blame" for any and all things right or wrong during his Presidency, yeah. But your ignoring the fact that Trump made the agreements with the Taliban not the Afghan govt and pulled the majority of troops out (13000) leaving a ghost detail of some 2500 that came out under Biden. Get all the facts and stop posting bs that you know nothing about. 

 

 

Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan - FactCheck.org

How many people were fired as a result of the debacle? 

[Dan O]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

"factcheck", that's hilarious. 

Plenty of other sites of your choosing have the same info. Just google it or are you afraid? Unfortunately, you're not hilarious.  Dont cry to much or try to deflect again now that you have the correct info and not the convoluted drivel you try to claim that comes from the trumpette sheep. 

[Yellowtail]

Just now, stevenl said:

Which of them is on the ballot?

No one on the left cared about it when were on the ballet. They only care when it's a Republican. 

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Dan O said:

Plenty of other sites of your choosing have the same info. Just google it or are you afraid? Unfortunately, you're not hilarious.  Dont cry to much or try to deflect again now that you have the correct info and not the convoluted drivel you try to claim that comes from the trumpette sheep. 

Afraid of what? You want to blame Trump what do I care? 

[Dan O]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

How many people were fired as a result of the debacle? 

Not your secretary, so do you own homework if you want to know that. 

[Dan O]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

No one on the left cared about it when were on the ballet. They only care when it's a Republican. 

you obviously are a history revisionist and not even a good one at that.

[Dan O]

7 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Exactly. Biden just told them to be out by 9/11 and went to beach. Not his fault. 

Got some links to support that claim?

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, Dan O said:

Got some links to support that claim?

That's what you and factcheck said. Biden had nothing to do with it. 

 

Do you care at all the Biden lied about the servicemen men killed as a result of the withdrawal? No, you do not.

 

But you do get all bent about Trump wreath-laying ceremony for them when Gold-Star families invited Trump, but not Biden or Harris. 

[bubblegum]

" What a lot of Trump supporters don't seem to understand is that he had an opportunity to negotiate directly with the Afghan government, and instead he sidetracked them and decided to negotiate directly with the Taliban. That was treasonous. "

 

He did the same with the Kurds in northern Libanon

[Dan O]

2 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

That's what you and factcheck said. Biden had nothing to do with it. 

 

Do you care at all the Biden lied about the servicemen men killed as a result of the withdrawal? No, you do not.

 

But you do get all bent about Trump wreath-laying ceremony for them when Gold-Star families invited Trump, but not Biden or Harris. 

I never said Biden had nothing to do with it, He moved forward with trumps withdrawal but added an extension as trump wanted it completed by May 1. He only had 2500 military to withdrawal, the bulk of the fiasco falls clearly on trump.

 

As for your other comments, How do you know what I care about or don't. You never asked me and it wasn't part of the discussion nor did I mention these new additions of yours. Again you're trying to deflect from the facts 

[metisdead]

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[spidermike007]

32 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Which of them is on the ballot?

That's a good one. Trump has completely failed when it comes to adapting to a new political opponent, and it seems as if some of his supporters have too! 

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, MalcolmB said:

If it wasn’t for those foot spurs he would have gallantly served and you probably would have won that war with fearless Trump leading the troop into battle against the Communists.

He is obviously a man of great courage, as shown by him leading his people right into the Senate chamber on January 6th, as promised. 

 

I will be out there with you, I'll be there leading the way! I am a big man and I will face down death! 

[maesariang]

6 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

That's a good one. Trump has completely failed when it comes to adapting to a new political opponent, and it seems as if some of his supporters have too! 

She is no opponent. Dodging the press. Great to watch the despise of the US if she wins.

[MalcolmB]

3 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Yet no one cares that Biden and Clinton both dodged the draft.

Imagine if they had all served together.

Vietnam would be a state of America.

[thaibeachlovers]

18 hours ago, Dan O said:

He does not do any of the logistic coordination for deployment or withdrawal, that's handled within the lower echelon ranks and there are specific detachments responsible, They make the decisions on what to send and what to bring back and its not even discussed with POTUS. Just like he does not load the backpacks or drive the tanks or fly the planes. You dont know much about how the govt or military  works and who actually does which jobs. The POTUS gives the General Orders but thats it. Does he carry the burden of "blame" for any and all things right or wrong during his Presidency, yeah. But your ignoring the fact that Trump made the agreements with the Taliban not the Afghan govt and pulled the majority of troops out (13000) leaving a ghost detail of some 2500 that came out under Biden. Get all the facts and stop posting bs that you know nothing about. 

 

 

Timeline of U.S. Withdrawal from Afghanistan - FactCheck.org

and you are ignoring the fact that Biden had plenty of time to modify or change or cancel Trump's agreements. He had no problem cancelling Trump's agreements with Mexico.

 

The sitting POTUS is responsible for what happens on his watch, and can't weasel out of that by blaming someone else.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 hours ago, maesariang said:

She is no opponent. Dodging the press. Great to watch the despise of the US if she wins.

Did you mean the "demise" of the US, or that other countries will come to despise the US if she wins? IMO both.