The Importance of Respecting Trump Voters

[Chomper Higgot]

10 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Actually normally presidential nominees are selected through a democractic process. Harris skipped this because she ticked the right boxes. 

The democratic process required under the Constitution will be in November. 

[WDSmart]

3 minutes ago, maesariang said:

6 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Thailand mixes far-right (the government) and far-left (the social services like virtually free hospitals). 

Hospitals are not free. Who told you that?

Public hospitals are VIRTUALLY free. They cost very little, and if you really don't have any money, they are free. This is done so that all Thai citizens can get the necessary medical treatments.

[riclag]

33 minutes ago, wwest5829 said:

Here’s the thing … I am them! That is, I was raised working middle class in a blue collar union family. Dad was a welder, at the end of WW II an Aviation Metalsmith. I come from a long documented DNA line of working middle class back to before the USA was even founded and retired as a member of the working middle class unable to afford a sustainable retirement income necessary to live in my own country. So, middle class respect? It is a given. Where there is a large difference is that I did go on to gain an education which resulted in my appreciation for both the justified frustration/anger within the working middle class and also being quite aware that Trump and his Project 2025 ilk are not the answer. We have been here before if you are aware of the time period building up to WW II … oh, not due to the war scenarios but rather the economic strain tempting Americans to veer toward authoritarian rule. Fortunately, that temptation was beaten back. This time? With the current scenario … and IF the vast majority of American citizens do vote, I think the authoritarian draw will again be beaten back by a decided majority. I certainly hope so as I would not want to lose my country. Now shall we discuss the attack on the educated, education in general, call for doing away with the Dept. of Education to have parochial interests decide what can be taught? There was a reason to adopt a public education system in order to advance the country’s interests and beat back ignorance. Indeed, the election decides if we devolve into 50 states with their own residents rights or if we remain a country with American citizen rights …

“Now shall we discuss the attack on the educated, education in general, call for doing away with the Dept. of Education to have parochial interests decide what can be taught? There was a reason to adopt a public education system in order to advance the country’s interests and beat back ignorance. Indeed, the election decides if we devolve into 50 states with their own residents rights or if we remain a country with American citizen rights …”

 

 

Come again! Another lost cause 😞 

If educators & education is working why these disturbing stories below?

https://www.illinoispolicy.org/1-in-6-chicago-third-graders-can-read-at-level-signaling-dismal-futures/

 

 

https://www.singoutandread.org/our-impact/illiteracy-is-a-national-emergency

[JonnyF]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The democratic process required under the Constitution will be in November. 

 

Yes, finally the "Democrats" will be forced to adhere to democratic principles. They will not be allowed to "select" the POTUS based on immutabe characteristics. 

 

Bad news for Harris. Her history of getting votes is less than stellar. 

[maesariang]

Just now, WDSmart said:

Public hospitals are VIRTUALLY free. They cost very little, and if you really don't have any money, they are free. This is done so that all Thai citizens can get the necessary medical treatments.

The so called free services are very limited and require hours of waiting time. I dropped my mother in law off for a basic check up. Picked her up 5 hours later.

[Chomper Higgot]

17 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Thailand mixes far-right (the government) and far-left (the social services like virtually free hospitals). 

Don’t you’ll confirmed, shades of grey aren’t in the rightwing spectrum.

[WDSmart]

5 minutes ago, maesariang said:

Food - far right

Accomodation - far right

Transport - far right

 

All cheap due to far right policies. Socialism pushes up prices.

In socialism, there are no prices. The state provides all citizens what they need (to the best of its ability).

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

If Biden had been incapacitated by a stroke, Harris would have become President. It may still happen. Right there in the constitution, Amendment 25.

 

But he hasn't. What's your point?

 

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

 

Would Republicans complain as loudly if Trump carked it, and Vance took over?

 

Harris hasn't taken over. Probably should given Biden's condition but that would allow the voters to assess her performance before November. That wouldn't go well. 

 

5 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

 

You don't seem to comprehend the irony of talking about democratic process, while supporting a guy who is all for authoritarianism.

 

The Dems avoided the democratic process of voting on their nominee. They will have no choice but to adhere to the process in November. Bad news for Harris, especially if she does any more interviews. 

[Skeptic7]

Anyone supporting Trump is not worthy of my respect, nor any respect. Willfully ignorant deniers of reality, who support a "person" representing everything wrong with the  human animal, all stuffed into one wrinkled old wrapper, deserve zero respect. 

[maesariang]

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

In socialism, there are no prices. The state provides all citizens what they need (to the best of its ability).

And pigs fly.

[Chomper Higgot]

8 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Public hospitals are VIRTUALLY free. They cost very little, and if you really don't have any money, they are free. This is done so that all Thai citizens can get the necessary medical treatments.

Schools, public universities, price controls on essential foods and energy, government funded welfare institutions in every town, worker’s rights protections, public health programs, National development plans etc.

 

 

[WDSmart]

5 minutes ago, maesariang said:

The so called free services are very limited and require hours of waiting time. I dropped my mother in law off for a basic check up. Picked her up 5 hours later.

You could have taken her to a private hospital, and she could have had a checkup without having to wait a long time. However, she would have had to pay thousands of baht. (I pay about 4,000 baht for my yearly checkups.) That's the difference between social services and capitalism.

[Lacessit]

12 minutes ago, maesariang said:

Food - far right

Accomodation - far right

Transport - far right

 

All cheap due to far right policies. Socialism pushes up prices.

 

 

 

I guess you're happy to live on the Thai government pension, then.

[WDSmart]

4 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I guess you're happy to live on the Thai government pension, then.

I live on the life-long savings I deposited when I was working. In my case, that's called USA Social Security. (And I have a few dollars I saved independently of that.)

[Lacessit]

It's quite obvious from posts on this thread that while Trump voters are demanding respect, they have no intention of extending the same courtesy to anyone who does not support Trump.

[riclag]

36 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Actually normally presidential nominees are selected through a democractic process. Harris skipped this because she ticked the right boxes. 

She ticked the dems  box that's for sure.
 

In 1952 dem primaries  Truman lost NH and stopped running for re election.Kefauver won the primaries . During the Convention the delegates voted Adlai Stevenson as the Presidential choice , who eventually lost to Ike.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1952_Democratic_Party_presidential_primaries

The party chose not the people!

[BigStar]

Subtle irresistible condescension from the NYT, the point being to convert Trump voters to Democrats in the pursuit of the Socialist Uniparty and blind them to how much worse they are under Biden.

 

Dems talk empathy while simultaneously demonizing. Forgot the entire Clinton statement demonizing 35 million of her fellow Americans:

 

“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

 

Similarly Biden talks unity but then always pivots to attacking his political opponents:

 

Divider in chief? Biden continues repeated attacks against political opponents while calling for unity

 

The division really started with Obama; he was the end of the happy warrior Democrats who could be reasoned with. Dems have continued using division as political strategy ever since. Now it has to be total warfare against leftist thuggery.

 

Trump is in a way something of a reaction against that Dem legacy, fighting fire with fire, so to speak. If they really want unity, then respect the Constitution, the separation of powers, equality (not "equity") under the law, free speech, religious freedom, and stop demonizing Trump and become Republicans. Sorted! 🙂

[maesariang]

19 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

You could have taken her to a private hospital, and she could have had a checkup without having to wait a long time. However, she would have had to pay thousands of baht. (I pay about 4,000 baht for my yearly checkups.) That's the difference between social services and capitalism.

So you enjoy the fruits of capitalism a lot.

[WDSmart]

2 minutes ago, BigStar said:

stop demonizing Trump and become Republicans.

Never!

[riclag]

6 minutes ago, BigStar said:

Subtle irresistible condescension from the NYT, the point being to convert Trump voters to Democrats in the pursuit of the Socialist Uniparty and blind them to how much worse they are under Biden.

 

Dems talk empathy while simultaneously demonizing. Forgot the entire Clinton statement demonizing 35 million of her fellow Americans:

 

“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

 

Similarly Biden talks unity but then always pivots to attacking his political opponents:

 

Divider in chief? Biden continues repeated attacks against political opponents while calling for unity

 

The division really started with Obama; he was the end of the happy warrior Democrats who could be reasoned with. Dems have continued using division as political strategy ever since. Now it's warfare against Dem thuggery.

 

Trump is in a way something of a reaction against that Dem legacy, fighting fire with fire, so to speak. If they really want unity, then respect the Constitution, the separation of powers, equality (not "equity") under the law, free speech, religious freedom, and stop demonizing Trump and become Republicans. Sorted! 🙂

You have a way with words!

 Kinda like scripture!

Well said

[maesariang]

20 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

I guess you're happy to live on the Thai government pension, then.

That is for Thais

[Chwooly]

It's funny how a topic that started as a call for an end to vitriol and an attempt at unity, Has devolved into another I hate Trump and everyone who doesn't believe as I do. 

 

And once again most of the hate comes from the left not from the people that think Trump is the better choice. 

[WDSmart]

1 minute ago, maesariang said:

So you enjoy the fruits of capitalism a lot.

I was born and grew up in a capitalistic country, the USA. So, of course, I participated in capitalism. That means I'm set fairly well now, whereas many of my fellow citizens are certainly not because their participation in capitalism was not as successful as mine was. Now that I've traveled all over the world and learned a lot, I prefer socialism. If the USA had been socialist when I was born, I would be receiving services from the state, not relying on my own savings. The point is, so would all of my fellow citizens. I may not have as good a life as I do now, but none of my fellow citizens would be living on the streets as they do now.

I'd prefer that.

[maesariang]

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

I was born and grew up in a capitalistic country, the USA. So, of course, I participated in capitalism. That means I'm set fairly well now, whereas many of my fellow citizens are certainly not because their participation in capitalism was not as successful as mine was. Now that I've traveled all over the world and learned a lot, I prefer socialism. If the USA had been socialist when I was born, I would be receiving services from the state, not relying on my own savings. The point is, so would all of my fellow citizens. I may not have as good a life as I do now, but none of my fellow citizens would be living on the streets as they do now.

I'd prefer that.

Yet you live in a far right country. You would have choosen Finland if you prefer socialism.

[WDSmart]

11 minutes ago, BigStar said:

“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

I agree with that quote of Hillary Clinton 100%! 

[Lacessit]

3 minutes ago, BigStar said:

 

Trump is in a way something of a reaction against that Dem legacy, fighting fire with fire, so to speak. If they really want unity, then respect the Constitution, the separation of powers, equality (not "equity") under the law, free speech, and stop demonizing Trump and become Republicans. Sorted! 🙂

How much respect has Trump shown for the Constitution when he incited an insurrection on January 6? Plotting with Giuliani etc. to install fake electors?  Pressuring Raffensperger to "find me 17,800 votes".

 

Separation of powers? Stacking the Supreme Court. Politicizing the FBI and DOJ. Which he will do again in a heartbeat, seeking retribution.

 

Free speech? Using the First Amendment to attack judges, court officials and jurors.

 

Do you have any idea how deluded your post is?

[WDSmart]

1 minute ago, maesariang said:

Yet you live in a far right country. You would have choosen Finland if you prefer socialism.

As I said above, Thailand has both aspects. I do not have to participate in the capitalistic parts of the country I live in anymore. I do admire the socialistic aspects of Thailand which are made available to their citizens.

[Lacessit]

6 minutes ago, Chwooly said:

It's funny how a topic that started as a call for an end to vitriol and an attempt at unity, Has devolved into another I hate Trump and everyone who doesn't believe as I do. 

 

And once again most of the hate comes from the left not from the people that think Trump is the better choice. 

Why do you think a 78 yo in cognitive decline, with a policy of retribution as his #1 priority, is a better choice?

[thesetat2013]

1 hour ago, wwest5829 said:

But then … you are wrong. I certainly support the current Democrat Pary over the current Trump/Project 2025 party. However, I am a retired educator so I can read the article comprehend what is stated in the article. Then draw on a vast and broad education background to wheigh out the salient points and know where questions arise.

What does that have to do with giving respect to other peoples opinions. You have your own. Everyone has their own. We all do not think alike or feel the same. That is what makes us human. But insulting and harassing others because their opinion varies from yours does not make you a good human. Nor does it make your opinion better than people who disagree. 

[maesariang]

Just now, WDSmart said:

As I said above, Thailand has both aspects. I do not have to participate in the capitalistic parts of the country I live in anymore. I do admire the socialistic aspects of Thailand which are made available to their citizens.

Very little welfare. Nothing socialistic about it. Aus has the world's best hospitals for free plus high pensions. But a $150 hotel is no better than a $25 hotel in Thailand. You choose Thailand because it's cheap and warm.