August 30, 2024

 

A growing proportion of Americans believe COVID-19 vaccine misinformation and are unwilling to be vaccinated or to recommend it to others, according to the latest national health survey by the Annenberg Public Policy Center at the University of Pennsylvania.

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False beliefs proliferate

As of July, 28% of survey respondents mistakenly believed that COVID-19 vaccines have caused thousands of deaths, up from 22% in June 2021, while the proportion who know this is untrue fell from 66% to 55% over the same period.  Twenty-two percent of Americans believe the falsity that it's less risky to get infected with COVID-19 than to get the vaccine, more than double the 10% with the belief in the months following the 2021 vaccine rollout. The proportion of respondents who mistakenly think that COVID-19 vaccines change human DNA reached 15%, nearly double the 8% who believed it in 2021.

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The skepticism extends to other vaccines as well, with 32% unsure of the effectiveness of the human papillomavirus (HPV) vaccine aimed at young people, 23% uncertain about the pneumonia vaccine, 19% doubting the shingles vaccine, and 47% unsure about the RSV vaccine during pregnancy or at age 60 and older (37%).

 

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https://www.cidrap.umn.edu/covid-19/survey-reveals-growing-american-distrust-vaccines-covid-other-infectious-diseases

 

 

COVID-19 Misinformation & Vaccine Perceptions
Perceptions of Vaccine Safety and Efficacy

"Vaccines are one of the great success stories of public health. Vaccination has eliminated or nearly eliminated some diseases (e.g., smallpox and polio). For others, such as COVID-19, it has significantly decreased the number of people experiencing severe illness, hospitalization, and death because of infection.

Unfortunately, recent years have seen declines in Americans’ perceptions that a variety of vaccines are safe and effective (see Figure 5). Although most respondents still report these vaccines as safe (65-81%) and effective (61-83%), respondents surveyed showed significant declines in perceptions of safety for MMR and COVID-19 vaccines, and in perceptions of efficacy for MMR, seasonal flu, and pneumonia vaccines.

 

COVID-19 Vaccine Perceived as Less Safe & Effective than Other Vaccines:

Our respondents consider MMR and seasonal flu vaccines, which have existed for decades, safer and more effective (75-83%) than the more recent COVID-19 vaccines (65-66%). Evidence from the CDC suggests that COVID-19 vaccines are actually more effective than flu vaccines. There has also been an increase in perceptions that the COVID-19 vaccines are very or somewhat unsafe (from 18% to 24%)."

 

 

https://cdn.annenbergpublicpolicycenter.org/wp-content/uploads/2024/08/asaph-report-summer-2024.pdf

 

 

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9062907/

But can't one just inject disinfectant or put a blue light under the skin...??..

5 minutes ago, brianthainess said:

But can't one just inject disinfectant or put a blue light under the skin...??..

I heard worm medisin and bleach is the thing

Several off topic and trolling posts have been removed.

 

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"This forum is not for conspiracy theories or any form of political discussion."

Regarding the above cited journal article from Japan, a couple of things to note:

 

--first, as a general issue regarding the article, correlation does not translate into causation. Meaning, just because one thing happens to happen after something in time, it doesn't mean the first thing caused the second thing. For example, I could go get a vaccine, then walk outside, cross the street, and get hit and killed by a bus.... So did the vaccine cause my death? Certainly not. Same issue with the cases reported in the Japan article.

 

But then, more specific to the details of above cited journal article:

 

1.  the authors there report on the three aneurysm cases, but having read the entire article, nowhere in their report do they conclude or state that the three cases were CAUSED by the vaccinations.

 

2. In fact, what the authors actually wrote in the "Conclusion" section of their article was:

 

"We have reported the cases of three women with intracranial aneurysm rupture shortly after undergoing BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccination. Although we believe that the advantages of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the risks, continuous pharmacovigilance is necessary to monitor for potentially fatal adverse events and identify any possible associations." [emphasis added}

 

Then lastly, regarding the "possible associations" issue raised in the article, here's what the PolitiFact fact checking service reported a year after the Japan article was published:

 

"There is no good evidence that the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines cause brain aneurysms," John Swartzberg, clinical professor emeritus at the University of California, Berkeley School of Public Health, told PolitiFact. "The claims to the contrary are not based upon any sound science or reasoning." [emphasis added]

 

The CDC does not list brain aneurysms as a common side effect after COVID-19 vaccination in any age group. 

 

We found a March 2022 study that reported the cases of three women in Japan who had an intracranial aneurysm rupture within three days of getting an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. But the study did not conclude that vaccines were the cause and the authors said the advantages of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh any risks." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/apr/25/instagram-posts/no-brain-aneurysms-are-not-a-common-side-effect-of/

 

 

 

On 10/1/2024 at 11:12 AM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Regarding the above cited journal article from Japan, a couple of things to note:

 

--first, as a general issue regarding the article, correlation does not translate into causation. Meaning, just because one thing happens to happen after something in time, it doesn't mean the first thing caused the second thing. For example, I could go get a vaccine, then walk outside, cross the street, and get hit and killed by a bus.... So did the vaccine cause my death? Certainly not. Same issue with the cases reported in the Japan article.

 

But then, more specific to the details of above cited journal article:

 

1.  the authors there report on the three aneurysm cases, but having read the entire article, nowhere in their report do they conclude or state that the three cases were CAUSED by the vaccinations.

 

2. In fact, what the authors actually wrote in the "Conclusion" section of their article was:

 

"We have reported the cases of three women with intracranial aneurysm rupture shortly after undergoing BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 vaccination. Although we believe that the advantages of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh the risks, continuous pharmacovigilance is necessary to monitor for potentially fatal adverse events and identify any possible associations." [emphasis added}

 

Then lastly, regarding the "possible associations" issue raised in the article, here's what the PolitiFact fact checking service reported a year after the Japan article was published:

 

"There is no good evidence that the mRNA COVID-19 vaccines cause brain aneurysms," John Swartzberg, clinical professor emeritus at the University of California, Berkeley School of Public Health, told PolitiFact. "The claims to the contrary are not based upon any sound science or reasoning." [emphasis added]

 

The CDC does not list brain aneurysms as a common side effect after COVID-19 vaccination in any age group. 

 

We found a March 2022 study that reported the cases of three women in Japan who had an intracranial aneurysm rupture within three days of getting an mRNA COVID-19 vaccine. But the study did not conclude that vaccines were the cause and the authors said the advantages of COVID-19 vaccination outweigh any risks." [emphasis added]

 

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2023/apr/25/instagram-posts/no-brain-aneurysms-are-not-a-common-side-effect-of/

 

 

 

Ok here are some more papers regarding correlation you can deny.

I ve never been vaccinated so the subject is just academic for me. Unlike these unfortunate victims, as well as these folks that seems obsessed with denial .

 

 

About 13 BILLION doses of the COVID vaccines have been given since the start of the pandemic.

 

If there was any actual legitimacy to the issue you're raising, you wouldn't need to be scouring the internet for isolated reports from 2-3 years ago where something happened to happen to people after vaccination.

 

People develop aneurysms, and did long before COVID vaccines came along, for all kinds of well established reasons that have nothing to do with COVID vaccinations. In fact, COVID the illness has been found to cause aneurysms in some cases.

 

Even your cited article from Japan didnt find vaccination was the definite cause, but its authors did find the benefits of vaccination outweighed the risks.

 

A misleading troll post has been removed

http://www.paom.pl/Changing-Views-toward-mRNA-based-Covid-Vaccines-in-the-Scientific-Literature-2020,189961,0,2.html

Science is never 'settled' and progress thrives on healthy debate, not on dismissing studies based on factual data as misinformation because it doesn't align with the currently hold beliefs. 

3 hours ago, Red Phoenix said:

Science is never 'settled' and progress thrives on healthy debate, not on dismissing studies based on factual data as misinformation because it doesn't align with the currently hold beliefs. 

 

Ok. And your point is what? That the  claims made by people who insist that vaccines are bad are valid and should not be questioned? We all saw the fraud that successfully conned people into believing that there was a link between childhood vaccines and autism. Even when it was exposed and the man responsible for the fraud admitted it, the proponents of the "conspiracy" claims and nonsensical claims refused to retract or to acknowledge the fraud.

Robert Kennedy Jr. is still pushing his autism claims and there are still tens of thousands of people who accept the claims despite it being shown to be a fraud. There comes a time, when such people can be ignored and be told to be quiet. If they don't want the vaccine, fine, let them deal with the outcome and leave the rest of us alone. If they contract polio or their kids are brain damaged, let them deal with it without government handouts and the demand for sympathy from  the rest of us. 

24 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Even when it was exposed and the man responsible for the fraud admitted it,

 

Certainly that's a statement of fact that requires a link to back it up. I don't recall anyone 'splaining away the rise in autism rates in just the past 25 years.  

 

https://www.cdc.gov/autism/data-research/index.html#:~:text=About 1 in 36 children has been identified,CDC's Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring (ADDM) Network.

 

 

 

47 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Certainly that's a statement of fact that requires a link to back it up. I don't recall anyone 'splaining away the rise in autism rates in just the past 25 years.  

 

https://www.cdc.gov/autism/data-research/index.html#:~:text=About 1 in 36 children has been identified,CDC's Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring (ADDM) Network.

 

 

 

That's just a strawman by Patong2021. Again on the subject, Patong2021: Maybe you should read the papers , seems you need to get informed on the subject at hand.          http://www.paom.pl/Changing-Views-toward-mRNA-based-Covid-Vaccines-in-the-Scientific-Literature-2020,189961,0,2.html

19 hours ago, impulse said:

 

Certainly that's a statement of fact that requires a link to back it up. I don't recall anyone 'splaining away the rise in autism rates in just the past 25 years.  

 

https://www.cdc.gov/autism/data-research/index.html#:~:text=About 1 in 36 children has been identified,CDC's Autism and Developmental Disabilities Monitoring (ADDM) Network.

 

 

 

Check out the  court proceedings against the man responsible for claiming there was a link between autism and vaccines. He lost his medical license for fraud.

54 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

Check out the  court proceedings against the man responsible for claiming there was a link between autism and vaccines. He lost his medical license for fraud.

 

Which guy is that?  There are hundreds of doctors correlating the increase in autism with the increase in the number of childhood vaccines over the past 50 years.  It may just be a temporal, and not a causal correlation, but there is a correlation.  Autism rate is increasing.  The number of childhood vaccines is increasing.  Whether they're related is the question.

 

If one guy lost his license, so what?  You still haven't provided a source.

 

54 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Which guy is that?  There are hundreds of doctors correlating the increase in autism with the increase in the number of childhood vaccines over the past 50 years.  It may just be a temporal, and not a causal correlation, but there is a correlation.  Autism rate is increasing.  The number of childhood vaccines is increasing.  Whether they're related is the question.

 

If one guy lost his license, so what?  You still haven't provided a source.

 

 

Andrew Wakefield is the proponent of  the MMR vaccine as the cause of autism. His fabricated clinical study results were exposed as a crude shakedown. There are not hundreds of doctors correlating the increase in autism with the increase in the number of childhood vaccines. 

 

 

 

 

7 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

There are not hundreds of doctors correlating the increase in autism with the increase in the number of childhood vaccines.

 

Here, I'll correlate it for you. 

 

In 1960, here's the list of childhood vaccinations:

 

Diptheria

Pertussis

Tetanus

Polio

Smallpox

 

https://vaxopedia.org/2019/03/26/how-many-vaccines-did-kids-get-in-the-1960s/

 

In 2020, here's the list of childhood vaccinations:

 

Diptheria

Pertussis

Tetanus

Polio

Smallpox

Hepatitus B

Rotavirus

Haemophilus Influenza Type B

Pneumomococcal Conjugate

Influenza

Measles, Mumps, Rubella

Vericella

Hepatitis A

 

https://www.mayoclinicproceedings.org/article/S0025-6196(20)30601-7/fulltext

 

During the same time period, autism rates have increased from less than 1 in 150 to 1 in 36. 

 

https://www.cdc.gov/autism/data-research/index.html

 

Until they do figure out what's causing the increase in autism, how can they rule out vaccinations?  They can't.

 

I'm not claiming it's the vaccinations.  I don't know.  I suspect it may be dietary, or some other environmental or industrial chemical causing it.  The science is far from settled, until they do find the culprit.

 

Ruling out vaccinations reminds me of my experience when I went to the ER the day after my 2nd Pfizer and the doctor told me they didn't know what caused my symptoms, but it wasn't the Pfizer.  Over 2 years later, the ER staff (another visit) finally told me that my symptoms were a commonly reported side effect. Of the Pfizer.

 

So I can understand why people don't trust them.

 

 

 

Vaccines aren’t responsible for rise in autism cases; change in diagnostic criteria is the most plausible explanation

2023-07-20

 

Individuals with ASD don’t all exhibit the same symptoms or the same severity of symptoms. To account for this diversity, the criteria for diagnosing ASD have evolved and broadened over time, which may result in an increase in the number of cases diagnosed each year. The scientific evidence overwhelmingly shows that vaccines don’t cause autism.

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While Andrew Wakefield’s 1998 study purporting to link autism to the MMR vaccine has since been retracted for numerous flaws, including data fabrication and ethical violations, the claim that vaccines cause autism still persists to this day.

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Vaccines don’t cause autism

In spite of recurring claims to the opposite effect and claims that studies haven’t looked into this, there is now a scientific consensus—established from numerous studies showing no association between vaccines and autism—that vaccines don’t cause autism. The CDC stated that vaccines aren’t a known cause of autism. The U.S. National Academy of Medicine as well as the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry also shared that conclusion.

 

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https://science.feedback.org/review/vaccines-dont-cause-increase-autism-prevalence-changes-diagnostic-criteria-most-plausible-explanation/

 

 

 

 

 

 

That's only normal, considering the very large number of people whose health has been destroyed by the Covid vaccine.

On 10/12/2024 at 9:13 AM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Vaccines aren’t responsible for rise in autism cases; change in diagnostic criteria is the most plausible explanation

2023-07-20

 

Individuals with ASD don’t all exhibit the same symptoms or the same severity of symptoms. To account for this diversity, the criteria for diagnosing ASD have evolved and broadened over time, which may result in an increase in the number of cases diagnosed each year. The scientific evidence overwhelmingly shows that vaccines don’t cause autism.

...

While Andrew Wakefield’s 1998 study purporting to link autism to the MMR vaccine has since been retracted for numerous flaws, including data fabrication and ethical violations, the claim that vaccines cause autism still persists to this day.

...

Vaccines don’t cause autism

In spite of recurring claims to the opposite effect and claims that studies haven’t looked into this, there is now a scientific consensus—established from numerous studies showing no association between vaccines and autism—that vaccines don’t cause autism. The CDC stated that vaccines aren’t a known cause of autism. The U.S. National Academy of Medicine as well as the American Academy of Child and Adolescent Psychiatry also shared that conclusion.

 

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https://science.feedback.org/review/vaccines-dont-cause-increase-autism-prevalence-changes-diagnostic-criteria-most-plausible-explanation/

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

BS. I hope RFK and Trump will address this and dismantle the pharmaceutical cartel.

Over time, Darwin will prevail and anti-vax types will disappear like the dinosaurs.

49 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Over time, Darwin will prevail and anti-vax types will disappear like the dinosaurs.

Since they're endangering others I hope so.

26 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Since they're endangering others I hope so.

 

All authorities (even the CDC) already for years now admit that covid-vaccination does NOT stop transmission of the virus.  So, how are the 'non-vaccinated' endangering the vaccinated? 

It is actually the other way around, as the Covid-jab suppresses the symptoms of having caught Covid-19, the vaccinated that did catch Covid-19 are - at the start when they are most contagious - blissfully unaware of it and become super-spreaders. 

But it is true that the mere existence of those that refuse to take these dangerous, non-effective and totally unnecessary jabs, does threaten Big Pharma's vaccine cash-cow and the Jabs-are-necessary belief-system of the ignorant that Big Pharma has been promoting to sell their snake-oil (last 2 years they spend 2 Billion US $ on that misinformation campaign).

14 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

All authorities (even the CDC) already for years now admit that covid-vaccination does NOT stop transmission of the virus.  So, how are the 'non-vaccinated' endangering the vaccinated? 

It is actually the other way around, as the Covid-jab suppresses the symptoms of having caught Covid-19, the vaccinated that did catch Covid-19 are - at the start when they are most contagious - blissfully unaware of it and become super-spreaders. 

 

Vaccination reduces the risk of transmission of the virus, as is true for many vaccines.

 

It's interesting that you admit that vaccination reduces the symptoms of COVID-19 for vaccinated individuals. Since death is one of the symptoms of Covid, one would think you are really pro-vaccination.

6 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Vaccination reduces the risk of transmission of the virus, as is true for many vaccines.

 

It's interesting that you admit that vaccination reduces the symptoms of COVID-19 for vaccinated individuals. Since death is one of the symptoms of Covid, one would think you are really pro-vaccination.

I deliberately wrote 'suppresses'  the symptoms of Covid-19, not reducing it. 

World of difference...

26 minutes ago, Red Phoenix said:

 

All authorities (even the CDC) already for years now admit that covid-vaccination does NOT stop transmission of the virus.  So, how are the 'non-vaccinated' endangering the vaccinated? 

It is actually the other way around, as the Covid-jab suppresses the symptoms of having caught Covid-19, the vaccinated that did catch Covid-19 are - at the start when they are most contagious - blissfully unaware of it and become super-spreaders. 

But it is true that the mere existence of those that refuse to take these dangerous, non-effective and totally unnecessary jabs, does threaten Big Pharma's vaccine cash-cow and the Jabs-are-necessary belief-system of the ignorant that Big Pharma has been promoting to sell their snake-oil (last 2 years they spend 2 Billion US $ on that misinformation campaign).

My answer was to anti vaxx, not specifically anti COVID vaxx. Anti vaxxers are endangering others 

3 minutes ago, stevenl said:

My answer was to anti vaxx, not specifically anti COVID vaxx. Anti vaxxers are endangering others 

Admitting that the mRNA COVID-19 jabs were a dangerous mistake (not safe, not effective and totally unnecessary) is a first step in questioning the 'benefits' of the other vaccines...

Reading different sources on the history of vaccines might open your eyes.

The anti vax bible is a book called The Poisoned Needle by Eleanor McBean.  She makes the case that the entire concept of invisible, contagious viruses was created as a marketing gimmick to sell product with made up research.  Very compelling read which is in simple, straightforward, easy to understand language.  She says the exact opposite of what the hynotized hypochondriacs do.

 

The Holy Bible also is a valuable tool to solve this riddle.  One verse is the diseases of the Pharoahs will not affect those who don't believe in them. In other words Black magic does not affect those who do not believe in prepostorous theories.  It means you are very powerful and you have the ability to control your health.  Learn to use it.

18 minutes ago, Mark Nothing said:

The anti vax bible is a book called The Poisoned Needle by Eleanor McBean.  She makes the case that the entire concept of invisible, contagious viruses was created as a marketing gimmick to sell product with made up research.  Very compelling read which is in simple, straightforward, easy to understand language.  She says the exact opposite of what the hynotized hypochondriacs do.

Was Ms McBean well ahead of her time? Or was she simply applying the rules of nature? Either way she is pretty much on the money.

 

What exactly is a virus? electron microscopy shows it to be a two dimensional dot. Indistinguishable from many other images of cell and tissue breakdown entities. And what does it do? Has it actually got a function? Does it enable the removal of dead tissue and cells from the body?

 

Perhaps a billion cells decay, die, and are expelled from the body every day. To be replaced by new; and who does that? Ourselves!