The EU's Struggle with Identity: A Shift Towards Xenophobia and Ethnic Nationalism?

[bradiston]

24 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

True, Russia is an absolute paragon of ethnic diversity and the cultural benefits this brings.

 

Good point.

Oh yeah?

[Cameroni]

34 minutes ago, bradiston said:

Oh yeah?

 

Of course.

 

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, bradiston said:

Which could be to do with retaliation for having your family blown to pieces in front of your eyes, your neighbour's legs ripped off, being tortured by invading forces for days, weeks, months on end, your country totally destroyed, your way of life, your livelihood.

Do you have any evidence that the 'people' committing terror attacks on Europe's streets have experienced any of those things you mentioned? Let's start with the killers of Lee Rigby. Or the 7/7 bombers in London. Did any of them have their family blown to pieces? 

 

The attacks are by fanatical Islamists bent on the destruction of non believers. Plenty of Christians and people of other faiths have lost their lives in the conflicts you refer to, but you don't see radicalised Christians carrying out these attacks on members of the public (or you rarely do). 

[bradiston]

9 minutes ago, Cameroni said:

 

Of course.

 

I was being ironic, but I guess you knew that.

[Cameroni]

11 minutes ago, bradiston said:

I was being ironic, but I guess you knew that.

 

Of course.

[bradiston]

2 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Do you have any evidence that the 'people' committing terror attacks on Europe's streets have experienced any of those things you mentioned? Let's start with the killers of Lee Rigby. Or the 7/7 bombers in London. Did any of them have their family blown to pieces? 

 

The attacks are by fanatical Islamists bent on the destruction of non believers. Plenty of Christians and people of other faiths have lost their lives in the conflicts you refer to, but you don't see radicalised Christians carrying out these attacks on members of the public (or you rarely do). 

Well, I guess many of the Catholic IRA or Protestant UDF did see such atrocities first hand, and they carried a lot out in retaliation.

 

But no, I don't have any evidence of Islamic terrorists' experiences, direct or indirect, of the many wars waged by the West in their home countries or in the Middle East or in Afghanistan. Many, if not all, had been wilfully radicalised by cynical agents who manipulated them for their own ends. Which of course were, to attack "the West", or quite possibly another Islamic sect, and cause as much pain and hurt and suffering as possible. Suicide bombers operated all over the middle east. In fact, globally. But I repeat, they were radicalised youth, male and female, who believed what they were doing was part of a holy war, or for whatever other loopy reason. So it's the orchestrators of the bombings, shootings and knifings who are really to blame. And what really are their motives? A desire for what?

[GinBoy2]

4 hours ago, CG1 Blue said:

Do you have any evidence that the 'people' committing terror attacks on Europe's streets have experienced any of those things you mentioned? Let's start with the killers of Lee Rigby. Or the 7/7 bombers in London. Did any of them have their family blown to pieces? 

 

The attacks are by fanatical Islamists bent on the destruction of non believers. Plenty of Christians and people of other faiths have lost their lives in the conflicts you refer to, but you don't see radicalised Christians carrying out these attacks on members of the public (or you rarely do). 

My Dad fought in WW2, hated the nazi ideology, and was pretty OK with killing nazi fighters.

 

But he came home and wasn't radicalized against all Germans

 

That's what's different now. Kids living a suburban life in a Western country get their heads turned around and thinking killing innocent people for some mythical cause is OK in some way.