Is Thailand Value for money

[NowNow]

7 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Here, just for you, since you don't know about recipes..........https://cafedelites.com/garlic-butter-shrimp-scampi/

 

 

Shrimp scampi? 🤣 So it's just a name for a NYC dish. They don't have scampi, but only shrimp, so they call it shrimp scampi. Okay... so shrimp scampi is fine. High cholesterol but okay.

In the U.K, Scampi is served fried in batter or breadcrumbs and usually with chips and tartar sauce.

 

This is an international forum, you need to make the distinction. 

 

Your dish I would have in the form of a Gambas al Pil Pil

[fredwiggy]

4 minutes ago, NowNow said:

 

We? It's just you. Now you are speaking for whom?? A true narcissist.

Cameroni and Khunla have both proven you wrong. I have a friend that's reading all of this, a member, on the phone. He thinks you're a very disturbed , low self esteem narcissist that is very likely lonely and incapable of making friends.

[NowNow]

8 minutes ago, KhunLA said:

Well, since replying to me ....

... does prove his opinion about you doing a bit of trolling 

 

Nope. He just admitted that he was baiting me. 😊 I simply disagree with his assertions.

[newnative]

57 minutes ago, gearbox said:

 

Here are some stats about the millionaires in Australia, I would say the figures for NZ, UK and Canada won't be far off these numbers:

 

https://www.theadviser.com.au/borrower/45872-house-and-land-prices-bolstering-household-wealth-abs

 

 

"As a proportion of net household wealth, residential property accounted for around 67.9 per cent."

 

Also some figures for the US...more or less as expected:

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/2023/12/04/the-assets-households-own-and-the-debts-they-carry/

 

 

       Thanks.  I don't consider 67.9% to indicate 'most'.  In America, it seems to be even less.  From the article you referenced:

 

How much an owned home contributes to wealth varies across homeowners. Among U.S. homeowners overall – that is, households that own their primary residence – home equity accounted for a median of 45% of their net worth in 2021. (Half of U.S. homeowners derived more than 45% of their wealth from home equity alone, the other half derived less.)

 

    That's pretty much what I thought in regard to US millionaires, as I said in my previous post.   Roughly half in real estate and the other half in other investments, 401ks, personal property, cash, etc.  

[fredwiggy]

Just now, NowNow said:

 

 

Shrimp scampi? 🤣 So it's just a name for a NYC dish. They don't have scampi, but only shrimp, so they call it shrimp scampi. Okay... so shrimp scampi is fine. High cholesterol but okay.

In the U.K, Scampi is served fried in batter or breadcrumbs and usually with chips and tartar sauce.

 

This is an international forum, you need to make the distinction. 

 

Your dish I would have in the form of a Gambas al Pil Pil

I don't have to do anything but tell the truth, which is what I always do. First you say all of the foods I mentioned aren't healthy. Now all but burgers are okay in your eyes. Soon you'll realize how ridiculous you sound and maybe understand what I've been saying all along is easy for any teenager to comprehend, especially if they, google.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, NowNow said:

 

Nope. He just admitted that he was baiting me. 😊 I simply disagree with his assertions.

N A I V E

[NowNow]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Cameroni and Khunla have both proven you wrong. I have a friend that's reading all of this, a member, on the phone. He thinks you're a very disturbed , low self esteem narcissist that is very likely lonely and incapable of making friends.

 

No, they did not

 

  1 hour ago, NowNow said:

 

But cheeseburgers are not classed as healthy foods are they? That's the point that @fredwiggy would rather die than admit 😊

 

No, they are not. Obviously. Though I always did wonder why burgers are considered unhealthy, since they contained minced meat, tomato, onion and did not seem terribly unhealthy. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Cameroni

 

That is @Cameroni agreeing with me and disagreeing with you.

[NowNow]

1 minute ago, fredwiggy said:

I don't have to do anything but tell the truth, which is what I always do. First you say all of the foods I mentioned aren't healthy. Now all but burgers are okay in your eyes. Soon you'll realize how ridiculous you sound and maybe understand what I've been saying all along is easy for any teenager to comprehend, especially if they, google.

 

Nope, not ALL, just 'shrimp scampi'. That's just one thing. You are incapable of telling the truth.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, MalcolmB said:

And ironically, how everyone else is a narcissist.

Where has anyone said everyone else is a narcissist? When you study about them, you can spot them very easily, and they are everywhere, including many in power. That's why they are there. They're sometimes called alpha males. The bane of society. Users, cheaters, exploiters, raised from childhood to hurt, intentionally, others. Everyone has some narcissistic tendencies. Just look at all the selfies people take. Some have a narcissistic disorder, or personality, and they are one huge reason the world is so screwed up. the opposite is en empath. One who cares about others and can put themselves in other's shoes. Always a good thing not to assume.

[NowNow]

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Cameroni and Khunla have both proven you wrong. I have a friend that's reading all of this, a member, on the phone. He thinks you're a very disturbed , low self esteem narcissist that is very likely lonely and incapable of making friends.

 

I don't believe you have any friends in real life.

 

I have a real relationship not based on financial support. I'm not like you. 

[TroubleandGrumpy]

Maybe not - but this is a forum that always seems to devolve into arguments between old silly blokes. I read the first page and thought - this looks interesting - and then went to the last page and it was all two blokes throwing handbags at each other.

 

IMO Thailand is NOT great value for money when it comes to their long term VISA for Retired/Married old Expats.  The rest of the things here are mainly fairly good value for money - some not good (cheese, wine, etc) but most is real good value.  We spent a lot more back in Aust than we do here - and here we buy more khrapp. 

 

Yes the Visas are awful - especially being treated like a parolee and forced to report every 90 days. Other countries nearby offer much better deals (including residency) and for far less than Thailand wants for its 'premium' Visas. And they dont tax your overseas money like it seems like Thailand is going to do soon (hoping not).  

[fredwiggy]

Just now, NowNow said:

 

No, they did not

 

  1 hour ago, NowNow said:

 

But cheeseburgers are not classed as healthy foods are they? That's the point that @fredwiggy would rather die than admit 😊

 

No, they are not. Obviously. Though I always did wonder why burgers are considered unhealthy, since they contained minced meat, tomato, onion and did not seem terribly unhealthy. 

Edited 1 hour ago by Cameroni

 

That is @Cameroni agreeing with me and disagreeing with you.

The way most people eat cheeseburgers isn't too healthy. I mentioned this before. You can make them healthy. I also mentioned this. You are nitpicking again, using one reply and leaving out the others. Take some time, take a breath, and read all of the posts. Then come  back, maybe in a week, and realize what you missed.

[NowNow]

2 minutes ago, TroubleandGrumpy said:

Maybe not - but this is a forum that always seems to devolve into arguments between old silly blokes. I read the first page and thought - this looks interesting - and then went to the last page and it was all two blokes throwing handbags at each other.

 

IMO Thailand is NOT great value for money when it comes to their long term VISA for Retired/Married old Expats.  The rest of the things here are mainly fairly good value for money - some not good (cheese, wine, etc) but most is real good value.  We spent a lot more back in Aust than we do here - and here we buy more khrapp. 

 

Yes the Visas are awful - especially being treated like a parolee and forced to report every 90 days. Other countries nearby offer much better deals (including residency) and for far less than Thailand wants for its 'premium' Visas. And they dont tax your overseas money like it seems like Thailand is going to do soon (hoping not).  

 

I'm not old. I can be silly sometimes, but that's ok. Better than being miserable 😊

Thailand is good value if you are adaptable. Some people will always find problems. It's their nature.

[NowNow]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

Again, assuming you know me, or anyone else here. It doesn't matter what you believe because your opinions mean nothing. People like you that say they are better usually have low self esteem, brought on by parents who either spoiled or neglected them. This is what makes them a narcissist. Let it go, You're wrong, and have been proven wrong all along. Stick to the topic. Thailand has some things that are a good value, and many that make it hard to live here. You can save money by eating at home.

 

I eat at home every day and rarely eat outside. But you didn't know that did you? I know A LOT more about you than you do about me 😊

[TroubleandGrumpy]

1 minute ago, NowNow said:

 

I'm not old. I can be silly sometimes, but that's ok. Better than being miserable 😊

Thailand is good value if you are adaptable. Some people will always find problems. It's their nature.

You are only as old as the woman you are feeling - right?

Yes - there is value here if you are adaptable - demanding what is 'back home' and cheaper, is folly.

[NowNow]

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

The way most people eat cheeseburgers isn't too healthy. I mentioned this before. You can make them healthy. I also mentioned this. You are nitpicking again, using one reply and leaving out the others. Take some time, take a breath, and read all of the posts. Then come  back, maybe in a week, and realize what you missed.

 

Where have you described to @thaibeachlovers the healthy way to prepare your suggested dishes. 68 posts and you haven't got there yet?

[NowNow]

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Again, assuming you know me, or anyone else here. It doesn't matter what you believe because your opinions mean nothing. People like you that say they are better usually have low self esteem, brought on by parents who either spoiled or neglected them. This is what makes them a narcissist. Let it go, You're wrong, and have been proven wrong all along. Stick to the topic. Thailand has some things that are a good value, and many that make it hard to live here. You can save money by eating at home.

 

So let's have some good value recipes for your suggested dishes on this thread. All the ingredients needed to make them in Thailand. TIA.

[NowNow]

9 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

The person you spoke of doesn't eat healthily at all, preferring junk food, and lasagne, scampi, BBQ and burgers are not junk food if prepared by someone that knows nutrition.

 

But they don't know nutrition and you didn't supply any links to that showed how to prepare any healthy versions. Your replies suggested they could find restaurants with high quality ingredients. Nothing about healthy, but certainly expensive. Highly inappropriate for @thaibeachlovers Do you think he has extensive cooking facilities/money to burn? I know. You don't.

 

I understand the people to whom I reply. Even you 😊

 

 

 

 

[NowNow]

15 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

No, you don't know me, because if you did, you wouldn't have replied once, nor challenged a person in a subject he has much experience in. What I said about you is brought on by 35 years of reading in psychological matters, especially narcissism. This is not what  a narcissist does but a person that feels the need to help others.

 

Depression is another topic I talk about, because I have family and friends who suffer from it, and I read all I can on the subject to help them,and others, with any advice I can give to help them. 

 

I posted a variety of links, from reputable sources, like WebMD, that tell -how those foods can be a healthy addition to a lifestyle, if you make them right. I consistently said this all along, because it was you that asked me to show how they can be healthy. The person you spoke of doesn't eat healthily at all, preferring junk food, and lasagne, scampi, BBQ and burgers are not junk food if prepared by someone that knows nutrition.

 

I will always admit when I am wrong but here I'm not.It is you that keeps on and one, thinking they are right. Your constant replies have shown narcissism, and others have shown low self esteem and an ego that needs boosting. If my advice has helped others I'm happy, because when you have a lot of knowledge in a particular subject, you spread it around, as many if not most people can teach others something. If anyone wants recipes for things I make that are healthy, they can ask me, as I've been cooking all my life, especially when I was married, and all my children are fit, lean and healthy from following my lead. Anyone can also google healthy recipes online in a second.

 

One thing that I, and probably everyone by now, has seen, is that you like to troll. I like a discussion, where different ideas come up and people look for the correct answers. I had to defend myself because you keep saying I'm wrong. I don't argue if I'm wrong, and something that's been a fact all of my life is, the only people I don't get along with, are those that are mentally ill. I have hundreds of friends, almost all of them very intelligent people, that I've rarely had this kind of argument with. Because? They know I know what I'm talking about, and I know how smart they are, and won't argue with them if I know they know a subject better than I do. I take their advice, and they take mine, because again, everyone knows a little, or much, about something. Hundreds of cut and paste links? Kind of an exaggeration there.

 

Your whole premise is a nonsense and highly inappropriate. @thaibeachlovers lives in New Zealand on a limited budget. 

Your suggestions were insensitive and totally ridiculous.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, NowNow said:

 

But they don't know nutrition and you didn't supply any links to that showed how to prepare any healthy versions. Your replies suggested they could find restaurants with high quality ingredients. Nothing about healthy, but certainly expensive. Highly inappropriate for @thaibeachlovers Do you think he has extensive cooking facilities/money to burn? I know. You don't.

 

I understand the people to whom I reply. Even you 😊

 

 

 

 

This means you didn't actually read the links because they do have alternatives and ways to prepare a healthy burger. High quality ingredients in my thinking means healthy. The main one being the beef. I don't eat low quality beef, preferring Australian, Argentinian, Texan or Japanese, along with others I will eventually try. Now you're assuming you actually know thaibeachlovers personally, to know what he has or cooks with. Again, you're assuming you know what anyone does besides those that actually live with you. You don't.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, NowNow said:

 

Your whole premise is a nonsense and highly inappropriate. @thaibeachlovers lives in New Zealand on a limited budget. 

Your suggestions were insensitive and totally ridiculous.

Everything I mentioned can be made at home, and bought in most larger  cities worldwide. New Zealand has excellent beef. Don't put insensitive in my replies as that's not me. I'm here to help. He stated he usually eats only junk food. I suggested better options. It's up to him to do what he wants. That's what advice is about. You can take it or leave it.

[NowNow]

Just now, fredwiggy said:

This means you didn't actually read the links because they do have alternatives and ways to prepare a healthy burger. High quality ingredients in my thinking means healthy. The main one being the beef. I don't eat low quality beef, preferring Australian, Argentinian, Texan or Japanese, along with others I will eventually try. Now you're assuming you actually know thaibeachlovers personally, to know what he has or cooks with. Again, you're assuming you know what anyone does besides those that actually live with you. You don't.

 

No. There were no links produced until I challenged you and none were useful. Such as removing the cheese or discarding half the bun. Really just nonsense.

Spending more doesn't make it healthier, that's just idiotic.

[Gecko123]

Calculus is constantly changing. Used to be a number of posters on the forum bragging about how they had the best of both worlds living in Florida. Post hurricanes Ian, Michael and Helene we don't hear too much out of them anymore. Cost of living, climate change, attitudes towards immigrants, social climate, housing cost and availability, and immigration rules can ruin the attractiveness of a destination overnight. You can pour over u-tube videos and top 10 places to retire websites until the end of time, and a bingo moment never seems to arrive. Thailand offers a tolerant and relatively welcoming social climate at a more than reasonable cost which in today's world is nothing to sneeze at.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, NowNow said:

 

No. There were no links produced until I challenged you and none were useful. Such as removing the cheese or discarding half the bun. Really just nonsense.

Spending more doesn't make it healthier, that's just idiotic.

Just because you're in denial or can't fathom what the links say, doesn't mean they are not useful. You might want to read more and talk less, as I suggested earlier. It's a better way to learn things. Who said spending more was healthier? Not anyone I've seen here. You don't have to leave out the basic ingredients to have a  tasty and healthy burger. You just have to leave some things out.

[NowNow]

6 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

This means you didn't actually read the links because they do have alternatives and ways to prepare a healthy burger. High quality ingredients in my thinking means healthy. The main one being the beef. I don't eat low quality beef, preferring Australian, Argentinian, Texan or Japanese, along with others I will eventually try. Now you're assuming you actually know thaibeachlovers personally, to know what he has or cooks with. Again, you're assuming you know what anyone does besides those that actually live with you. You don't.

 

I clearly know more about @thaibeachlovers than you do. You obviously know nothing at all.

[NowNow]

3 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

Just because you're in denial or can't fathom what the links say, doesn't mean they are not useful. You might want to read more and talk less, as I suggested earlier. It's a better way to learn things. Who said spending more was healthier? Not anyone I've seen here. You don't have to leave out the basic ingredients to have a  tasty and healthy burger. You just have to leave some things out.

 

So what should he leave out from his cheeseburger and how should he prepare a Texas BBQ?

[Cameroni]

36 minutes ago, NowNow said:

 

No, what are you babbling on about. I have clearly informed you that I was referring to the raw meat utilised for burgers. If I described it poorly before then I corrected that.

You claimed 14 grams, I guess after cooking. So add the 9 grams of fat from the cheese and that is 23 grams without condiments nor bread.

 

Maybe you should look more closely at my post, Mr Lawyer. I wrote about saturated fat. You see? It's easy to make errors. What is important is that you do not compound them by arguing stupidly.

 

I quoted your post verbatim, so I don't see why you are confused. It's very simple. You gave the wrong percentage of fat for a hamburger. I corrected you. Then you fiddled the figures by including the cheese, which you previously said was not included but had to be added separately.

 

You confused grams and percentages. Your quibbling about figures is not only wrong,, but totally pointless because the recommended daily intake is far in excess of the figure you're quibbling about.

 

I'd sooner take nutrition advice from Ronald MacDonald than you, frankly. You clearly don't know what youi're talking about.

 

Of course minced meat has saturated fat, it's not a soybean burger, is it? <deleted> nonsense.

[fredwiggy]

Just now, NowNow said:

 

When did New Zealand become known for their beef? 😊

You do write some nonsense. You know that, don't you?

https://www.beeflambnz.co.nz/the-quality-mark

[fredwiggy]

4 minutes ago, NowNow said:

 

So what should he leave out from his cheeseburger and how should he prepare a Texas BBQ?

If you actually read what I wrote, plus the links I provided, you would have seen this hours ago.

[ChaiyaTH]

To be honest, it is a thin line in my opinion right now. I don't even mean the exchange rate as that is still better than it has been in recent times. 

I mean, nowadays to just sit down somewhere for 2 coffee's and lunch is costing easily 300-350 baht and that is mid range. With the exact same money I could basically also get that in many smaller towns in western europe, let alone in southern europe. 

The difference however is that these places look way better, the service is better, the staff also earns much more and the place has much more costs. Yet for some reason they also make a profit in Europe doing this. 

Anyway this was just one simple example, even tho the visa's (for now) are easy again, the new tax doomsday now lingers... Generally speaking the quality is also way lower, even it can be good quality and service at even more expensive places but that is exactly what you get already in average places in europe.

 

Also if looking at things like buying a second hand car in south europe, renting a decent apartment or house for under 500-600 euro (hard to find even places here unless it are shoe boxes or old and remote houses), groceries for the most part less or same too. It's all cheaper and easier + you can own whatever you want + you can do whatever you want + work whatever you wat.

Not sure how much longer Thailand has the benefit of the doubt to be honest. Makes it hard to decide anything in life here now too, in terms of buying any properties, even to send over money, buying a(nother) motorbike or car, improving furniture at home, not knowing I might need to leave over 180 days from next year, and if so, likely just not live in TH at all except for a holiday each year.

 

Thailand is just easy as many long stayers live here since decades, it is well established and catering for that. I personally just think it became very boring, except when its a weekend in pattaya, still good fun there. But prices are out of the roof too, hard to enjoy.

 

Is even cheaper to get a girl in europe for short time nowadays too than what they average quote in Thailand lol.

Edited October 7 by ChaiyaTH