Social Media Posted October 7 Posted October 7 Viktor Bout, the infamous Russian arms dealer once dubbed the "Merchant of Death," is reportedly back in the arms trade less than two years after his release from U.S. imprisonment. Bout, who had been serving a lengthy sentence for arms trafficking, was released in a high-profile prisoner exchange for American basketball player Brittney Griner in 2022. His latest venture involves brokering a deal to supply small arms to the Iran-backed Houthi militants in Yemen. Bout, now 57, gained notoriety for his role in the global arms trade, with his life even serving as inspiration for the 2005 Hollywood film *Lord of War*, in which Nicolas Cage portrayed a character based on Bout. For years, Bout supplied Soviet-made weaponry across Africa, South America, and the Middle East, earning himself a reputation as one of the world’s most notorious arms traffickers. His career came to a halt in 2008 when he was arrested in a U.S. sting operation. After his release, Bout joined a pro-Kremlin far-right political party and secured a seat in a local assembly in 2023. His involvement in official politics seemed to signal a shift away from his arms-dealing past. However, recent reports indicate otherwise. When Houthi representatives traveled to Moscow in August 2023, ostensibly to negotiate the purchase of pesticides and vehicles, they found themselves dealing with the familiar figure of Viktor Bout. According to a European security official and others familiar with the negotiations, Bout was involved in brokering a deal for $10 million worth of automatic weapons. Though these arms have yet to be delivered, the potential deal has raised alarms. U.S. officials are concerned that Russia might escalate its involvement in the Yemen conflict by providing more advanced weaponry to the Houthis, especially as tensions between Washington and Moscow continue over the war in Ukraine. So far, there is no indication that Bout or Russia is involved in the sale of more sophisticated arms, such as anti-ship or anti-air missiles, which could significantly impact U.S. military operations in the region. The Biden administration remains on alert for any such developments, as the provision of even small arms to the Houthis would be seen as a serious provocation. Steve Zissou, a New York attorney who represented Bout during his trial in the U.S., has remained tight-lipped on whether his client is indeed involved in the recent dealings with the Houthis. "Viktor Bout has not been in the transportation business for over twenty years," Zissou said, while also suggesting that if Bout were acting under the orders of the Russian government, it would be no different from the U.S. arming Ukraine. The Houthis, designated a terrorist organization by Washington, have long sought Russian-made weaponry. Their recent trip to Moscow, while officially under the guise of trade discussions, included a visit to a Lada car factory, but the true purpose appears to have been arms-related. Whether Bout’s involvement is sanctioned directly by the Kremlin or merely tolerated remains unclear. The Russian government has not commented on the matter, and a Houthi spokesman has also declined to respond. If completed, this deal would represent a new chapter in Bout’s long and controversial career, marking his return to the international arms market, a world he once dominated. The sale, if successful, could further complicate the already fragile situation in the Middle East and deepen Russia’s involvement in regional conflicts. Based on a report from WSJ 2024-10-08 1 1
Popular Post JonnyF Posted October 8 Popular Post Posted October 8 Because that fool Brittney Griner couldn't go on a trip without taking her weed with her. Oh, and because the Biden administration saw a good opportunity to parade their "Liberal/Woke" credentials by publicly supporting a black, lesbian athlete by unleashing a major arms trader back on the world. Great job guys. 2 1 1 3 3 2
spidermike007 Posted October 8 Posted October 8 This is likely a partnership deal he made with Putin, who would do anything to make a buck. There is no moral equivalency between arming Ukraine and arming the Houthis. Only a morally bankrupt fool like Steve Zissou would claim something so ignorant. 1
Popular Post Kerryd Posted October 8 Popular Post Posted October 8 Well, the US arrested him under somewhat shady circumstances to begin with. They sent ATF agents posing as Columbian rebels to Thailand to meet Bout. "They" wanted to buy anti-aircraft missiles and the US (and ONLY the US) had a law against selling those things and trumped up some charges of Bout being an accessory to "killing Americans". Bout shows up in Thailand and gets arrested. Russia protested and even Thailand realized they shouldn't have allowed it to happen (as he hadn't broken any Thai laws) but they claimed he had "visa issues". Then the Americans tried to do an end run around the Thai gov't because they thought the Thais might release him and deport him back to Mother Russia (they were only holding him on visa related charges after all). So the Americans, assisted by some "friends" in the Thai police - snuck Bout out of his jail cell and tried to get him to the airport where the Americans (as in, probably the CIA) had a plane waiting to smuggle him out of the country. But they were caught and Bout was sent back to jail. And then, for whatever reason, Thailand gave into America's demands and extradited him to the US. And then an American female basketball player gets caught smuggling drugs through a Russian airport. But ! She's "black" and "LGBTQ" and it's the "evil Russians" so everyone feels sorry for her and forgets WHY she was arrested in the first place. All the public saw was a poor (lol) black LGBTQ woman being held in a Russian prison. Remember that ? It's like there was a news story in the media every weeks about her. And finally the US had to make a deal to free her. So they left even MORE deserving Americans in Russian prison and traded her for Bout just to appease the public. And the drug smuggler got a hero's welcome when she got back to the USA. Probably the first time that's ever happened. 2 2
Chomper Higgot Posted October 8 Posted October 8 (edited) 11 hours ago, JonnyF said: Because that fool Brittney Griner couldn't go on a trip without taking her weed with her. Oh, and because the Biden administration saw a good opportunity to parade their "Liberal/Woke" credentials by publicly supporting a black, lesbian athlete by unleashing a major arms trader back on the world. Great job guys. If it had not been Griner it would have been some other American held by Russia as a bargaining chip. Griner received support from the Biden administration because she’s an American citizen, I understand this might be difficult for you to accept given the British Government now’s next to sweet FA to help its citizens in difficulty overseas. Edited October 8 by Chomper Higgot 1 2 1
Popular Post pacovl46 Posted October 8 Popular Post Posted October 8 The Americans used this guy extensively to supply weapons to countries the US couldn't be seen dealing weapons to and then they made him the fall guy... 2 1
Chomper Higgot Posted October 8 Posted October 8 21 minutes ago, pacovl46 said: The Americans used this guy extensively to supply weapons to countries the US couldn't be seen dealing weapons to and then they made him the fall guy... Link? 2 1
NativeBob Posted October 8 Posted October 8 Sure-sure. Yes, he hid a huge pile of weaponry somewhere in africa and eastern Europe. The only evidence presented at the court (in Bangkok by DEA officers) is Nick Cage flick and "they were Columbians". Truck driver became the Merchant of Death. Sure, and kerosene vapors iron rods and reinforced concrete.
JonnyF Posted October 9 Posted October 9 20 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: If it had not been Griner it would have been some other American held by Russia as a bargaining chip. So why Briner and not "some other American"? There were plenty of other Americans who had been imprisoned far longer that were worthy of attention. 20 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: Griner received support from the Biden administration because she’s an American citizen, I understand this might be difficult for you to accept given the British Government now’s next to sweet FA to help its citizens in difficulty overseas. She got special treatment due to her immutable characteristics, her fame and how the Biden administration perceived helping her to be "good optics". I believe your ilk refer to special treatment for certain demographics as "positive discrimination" and "equity". I'll ignore the petty Brit bashing. Beneath me. 1
Chomper Higgot Posted October 9 Posted October 9 13 minutes ago, JonnyF said: So why Briner and not "some other American"? There were plenty of other Americans who had been imprisoned far longer that were worthy of attention. Link? 14 minutes ago, JonnyF said: She got special treatment due to her immutable characteristics, her fame and how the Biden administration perceived helping her to be "good optics". Link to evidence to back up this claim of yours. 15 minutes ago, JonnyF said: I believe your ilk refer to special treatment for certain demographics as "positive discrimination" and "equity". I'll ignore the petty Brit bashing. Beneath me. Petty as in remarks like ‘your ilk’ or petty as in an unwelcome reminder of HMGov’s appalling record on assisting British citizens in trouble overseas?
JonnyF Posted October 9 Posted October 9 39 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Link? https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3767108-why-the-us-was-able-to-bring-home-brittney-griner-but-not-paul-whelan/
Chomper Higgot Posted October 9 Posted October 9 4 hours ago, JonnyF said: https://thehill.com/homenews/administration/3767108-why-the-us-was-able-to-bring-home-brittney-griner-but-not-paul-whelan/ From your linked article: “We as a government have sought to bring Paul Whelan home as well. We did so in good faith with the Russians and proposed multiple different options. Regrettably, due to the nature of the sham espionage charges Russia levied against Paul, the Russians have treated, continue to treat, his situation differently from Brittney’s and rejected each and every one of our proposals for his release.” And “The White House in April was able to free former Marine Trevor Reed as part of a prisoner exchange for a Russian citizen, Konstantin Yaroshenko, who had been serving out a 20-year sentence on drug charges.” 1
Cryingdick Posted October 9 Posted October 9 On 10/7/2024 at 8:36 PM, JonnyF said: Because that fool Brittney Griner couldn't go on a trip without taking her weed with her. Oh, and because the Biden administration saw a good opportunity to parade their "Liberal/Woke" credentials by publicly supporting a black, lesbian athlete by unleashing a major arms trader back on the world. Great job guys. On the bright side she is back to playing basketball so things tend to always equal out.
JonnyF Posted October 10 Posted October 10 1 hour ago, Cryingdick said: On the bright side she is back to playing basketball so things tend to always equal out. Yep, that's the main thing. Let's not worry about all those killed by Houthi militants using weapons bought from Bout. As long as Brittney doesn't have to suffer any consequences.
Cryingdick Posted October 10 Posted October 10 3 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Yep, that's the main thing. Let's not worry about all those killed by Houthi militants using weapons bought from Bout. As long as Brittney doesn't have to suffer any consequences. That is a pretty racist approach to life.
JonnyF Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Just now, Cryingdick said: That is a pretty racist approach to life. Come on Dick, even you can do better than that.
Cryingdick Posted October 10 Posted October 10 1 minute ago, JonnyF said: Come on Dick, even you can do better than that. Check your sarcasm meter Jon. 2
JonnyF Posted October 10 Posted October 10 5 minutes ago, Cryingdick said: Check your sarcasm meter Jon. Thought you were being serious for a moment, you never know with some of the race baiters on here 😄.
josephbloggs Posted October 10 Posted October 10 11 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said: From your linked article: “We as a government have sought to bring Paul Whelan home as well. We did so in good faith with the Russians and proposed multiple different options. Regrettably, due to the nature of the sham espionage charges Russia levied against Paul, the Russians have treated, continue to treat, his situation differently from Brittney’s and rejected each and every one of our proposals for his release.” And “The White House in April was able to free former Marine Trevor Reed as part of a prisoner exchange for a Russian citizen, Konstantin Yaroshenko, who had been serving out a 20-year sentence on drug charges.” Come on, you can't expect him to actually read the articles he's obligated to post!! He hopes you just stop at the headline (as he does). 1
Chomper Higgot Posted October 10 Posted October 10 33 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Thought you were being serious for a moment, you never know with some of the race baiters on here 😄. Says guy who habitually inserts race into discussions where it isn’t other wise discussed.
JonnyF Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Just now, Chomper Higgot said: Says guy who habitually inserts race into discussions where it isn’t other wise discussed. See. I only had to mention race baiting and here you are. Like a fly to sxxx 😃 Her race was always a massive part of the story. Here is one example, in case you forgot again. So yes, it is part of the story and worthy of mention even if you'd prefer it was brushed under the table. https://www.msnbc.com/know-your-value/out-of-office/brittney-griner-s-peril-black-women-america-n1296905
Chomper Higgot Posted October 10 Posted October 10 (edited) 14 minutes ago, JonnyF said: See. I only had to mention race baiting and here you are. Like a fly to sxxx 😃 Her race was always a massive part of the story. Here is one example, in case you forgot again. So yes, it is part of the story and worthy of mention even if you'd prefer it was brushed under the table. https://www.msnbc.com/know-your-value/out-of-office/brittney-griner-s-peril-black-women-america-n1296905 I’ve already dispatched that false narrative with two links demonstrating its patent falsity. There is zero evidence that Grindr’s race played any part in the Biden admission’s successful efforts to secure her release. No amount of self grievance stroking on your part will change that fact. Edited October 10 by Chomper Higgot
JonnyF Posted October 10 Posted October 10 2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: There is zero evidence that Grindr’s race played any part in the Biden admission’s successful efforts to secure her release. Not just her race. Also her celebrity status. Here's a list of other US prisoners ignored by the Dems as they went for the high profile release of Briner. It's all the evidence you need. https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-us-prisoners-spying-gershkovich-9d8260f09233d2385856b85d26d3954b
Chomper Higgot Posted October 10 Posted October 10 (edited) 3 minutes ago, JonnyF said: Not just her race. Also her celebrity status. Here's a list of other US prisoners ignored by the Dems as they went for the high profile release of Briner. It's all the evidence you need. https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-us-prisoners-spying-gershkovich-9d8260f09233d2385856b85d26d3954b That’s not evidence Jonny, that’s you making assumptions to stroke your self awarded grievance. Edited October 10 by Chomper Higgot
JonnyF Posted October 10 Posted October 10 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: That’s not evidence Jonny, that’s you making assumptions to stroke your self awarded grievance. It's evidence. There were loads of US prisoners that could have been exchanged but they didn't fit the profile, so they were ignored. That you choose to ignore it is no surprise. 1
Chomper Higgot Posted October 10 Posted October 10 2 hours ago, JonnyF said: It's evidence. There were loads of US prisoners that could have been exchanged but they didn't fit the profile, so they were ignored. That you choose to ignore it is no surprise. Your confirmation bias is feeding your grievance fix. 1
JonnyF Posted October 10 Posted October 10 17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Your confirmation bias is feeding your grievance fix. Typical copy/paste reply when faced with the cold, hard facts (that you requested).
Sir Dude Posted October 10 Posted October 10 Can see Victor is still sporting that dodgy stash and commiting crimes against facual hair styling... man, should get six month in jail just for that.
Chomper Higgot Posted October 10 Posted October 10 1 hour ago, JonnyF said: Typical copy/paste reply when faced with the cold, hard facts (that you requested). You have not presented any evidence to substantiate your grievance ridden claims.
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