Michael Moore Predicts Trump’s Political Demise in 2024, but Warns Against Complacency

[Jingthing]

Lets do comprehensive immigration reform. Whatever happwned to American can do spirit?

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

If all "illegals" were deported, I wonder who would work in meatpacking plants, construction sites, pick fruits and vegetables in the hot sun, and perform all kinds of menial jobs that native Americans either shun or are too strung out on fentanyl or meth to do.

 

Even Trump hires them for his projects and facilities:  https://wapo.st/481hgNa

The ones that enter legally as guest workers.

[impulse]

8 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

I agree that stricter border controls are necessary. A law was formulated to work towards that. It had bipartisan support including many Trump supporters in congress, but Trump killed it because it would destroy one of his talking points for his re-election campaign. 

 

There was no bipartisan support.  They had a token Repub on the committee that wrote the bill.  When the bill allowed for 5000 illegals a day before action was required at the border, it was DOA.  With or without Trump's input. 

 

It was mostly about spending money on bringing newcomers in and processing them into voters faster.

 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

The ones that enter legally as guest workers.

 

Why aren't the industries that currently rely upon "illegals" employing legal guest workers instead?  

 

Should there be harsher penalties for employing those without permission to work? 

[Hanaguma]

8 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Lets do comprehensive immigration reform. Whatever happwned to American can do spirit?

What does that mean exactly, other than being a political catchphrase?

[Patong2021]

When did the US stop deporting unauthorized immigrants because the last I saw, the US was still deporting people.

[morrobay]

11 hours ago, riclag said:

56%  of all registered voters strongly or somewhat favor mass deportations of 

immigrants living in the country illegally.

 

https://www.pewresearch.org/

 

If harris is Potus ,I hope she adheres to

 what the majority of registered  voters agree on!

 

 

If 56% of voters favor mass deportations, Harris ain't going to be POTUS 

[impulse]

1 hour ago, Patong2021 said:

When did the US stop deporting unauthorized immigrants because the last I saw, the US was still deporting people.

 

Sure.  But they're paroling millions into the country, with immigration hearing dates scheduled years and years into the future. 

 

That's just mean, unless they have a plan to let them stay...  They should be turned at the border, not after they have settled in, at a cost of $$trillions to the taxpayers.

 

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[Yagoda]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Lets do comprehensive immigration reform. Whatever happwned to American can do spirit?

Sure. Close the border, deport all those already here, and then start a new process.

 

 

Edited 2 hours ago by Yagoda

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, Hanaguma said:

What does that mean exactly, other than being a political catchphrase?

It means good faith bipartisan compromise based on realistic understanding of the current situation with humanitarian values mixed with the goal of enhancing the economy. 

 

Definitely not deporting 20 millon people tearimg apart families and destroying the economy but all serious criminals of course.

 

A long and hard stepped path towards citizenship for well behaved undocumented already in the US. Do not incentivize entering illegally.

 

Rapid trials for asylum claimants.

 

Change the paradigm to a dramatic increase in legal immigration applicants done at embassiez abroad. Increase skills merit based policies like Australia. 

 

Secure the border with barrlers and electronically depending on the geography.

 

 

 

Edited 1 hour ago by Jingthing

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

I found many articles online that state that immigrant labor is a net positive for the US economy. This is but one example:

 

https://www.brookings.edu/articles/do-immigrants-steal-jobs-from-american-workers/

 

Most articles with this viewpoint come from organizations that could be called "left of center", so I kept looking for articles that were written by organizations that come from the right of the political spectrum and found this:

 

https://www.cato.org/blog/three-reasons-why-immigrants-arent-going-take-job

 

Granted, Cato is Libertarian, but to me that's right-wing on steroids.

 

Then I came across this economist's article in Politico:

 

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2016/09/trump-clinton-immigration-economy-unemployment-jobs-214216/

 

He's a bit of an outlier, but I find his arguments interesting.  I note Borjas does not call for building a border wall or for mass deportation or curtailing immigration. Instead he seems to be in favor of redistributing the surplus profits that immigrant labor generates via taxes.

 

Then I found this article that would seem to undermine at least part of Borjas's position:

 

https://www.urban.org/urban-wire/immigrant-and-native-workers-compete-different-low-skilled-jobs

 

I haven't yet found any serious articles from credible sources that promote the idea that mass deportation of immigrants is beneficial to America or to any segment of the labor force.