US Visa for Thai Citizen - Do they have an Undisclosed Quota.

[hotandsticky]

2 hours ago, Celsius said:

 

I thought it was your "friend's" partner.

 

If you are lying on applications like you are lying on forums then perhaps start from there as why the visa was denied.

 

 

 

The applicant us not my partner; I was referencing the fact I am unmarried, I fully financially support her. My income and assets are in the UK and she has assets if 10m+ Baht in Thailand......and she has multiple visas.

[hotandsticky]

1 hour ago, Phillip9 said:

 

You said previously it was your friend's partner and she had only been to 4 countries.....

 

This guy is just another troll making stuff up.  

 

This thread should be closed.

 

You would like to think that but the Mods know differently.

 

Read my previous post and improve your comprehension.

[Presnock]

On 10/18/2024 at 3:18 PM, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

It has always been difficult for single women to obtain a visa to visit the US.

 

Not having significant formal employment works against her. Her partner's UK bank balance doesn't evidence strong ties to Thailand.

 

She might have a better chance of success if she were able to demonstrate that her partner has been in Thailand for a number of years and either owns a company or has a good job. In such a case, being legally  married to her partner would probably help.

 

Good luck.

My 48 year old WIFE, house owner, fairly new auto owner, wanted to take our daughter back to the US for college (already accepted) but the consulate too indicated that she really had no reason to return to Thailand as she didn't have a job.  I have been in Thailand since my retirement 20 years ago.  Therefore, daughter is a sophomore at Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok.  US consular folks are a strange group for sure.  Meanwhile, at that same time they recommended filing for a green card - which we did - guess  the timing with Afghan evacuation - therefore over 500K backlog in immigration - they were at that time only being able to process 35K  a month. Yessir, took them over a year to approve MY WIFE! while they let in millions of illegal and foreign legal  immigrants who plan on staying there!

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

1 hour ago, Presnock said:

My 48 year old WIFE, house owner, fairly new auto owner, wanted to take our daughter back to the US for college (already accepted) but the consulate too indicated that she really had no reason to return to Thailand as she didn't have a job.  I have been in Thailand since my retirement 20 years ago.  Therefore, daughter is a sophomore at Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok.  US consular folks are a strange group for sure.  Meanwhile, at that same time they recommended filing for a green card - which we did - guess  the timing with Afghan evacuation - therefore over 500K backlog in immigration - they were at that time only being able to process 35K  a month. Yessir, took them over a year to approve MY WIFE! while they let in millions of illegal and foreign legal  immigrants who plan on staying there!

 

Six years ago, my wife was able to obtain a visa in order to accompany our eldest daughter to the US to start university. The consular official asked about my length of stay and employment in Thailand and to see my passport. She did not have my passport with her, but apparently they were satisfied with her answers and approved her application.

 

About twenty years earlier, before we were married, she was able to get a visa to visit the US. I provided a letter on company letterhead (US multinational) stating that I would ensure her return and I also provided a letter from the executive director of one of the foreign chambers of commerce stating that I was a member and asking for "due consideration" for her application.  Without this, I don't think they would have given a twenty-something single Thai female the time of day. 

[Presnock]

On 10/18/2024 at 6:39 PM, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

 

It may not seem very fair, but that's how US visa issuance works.

 

Significant employment in Thailand or business ownership are factors that indicate a likelihood to return. This applies to the applicant and spouse/partner if there is one, especially if the spouse/partner isn't Thai.

If there had not been so many people that obtained a visa to visit the US and then failed to return this wouldn't happen.  It has happened in many other countries too, once in the US there is no immigration checking to see where they are as is a must here.  That is why there are so many illegal immigrants flooding the US as they know they might never get caught.  Just saying.  That they need local employment or ownership as stated here is usually the key answers for a successful visa.

[hotandsticky]

7 hours ago, Presnock said:

My 48 year old WIFE, house owner, fairly new auto owner, wanted to take our daughter back to the US for college (already accepted) but the consulate too indicated that she really had no reason to return to Thailand as she didn't have a job.  I have been in Thailand since my retirement 20 years ago.  Therefore, daughter is a sophomore at Chulalongkorn University in Bangkok.  US consular folks are a strange group for sure.  Meanwhile, at that same time they recommended filing for a green card - which we did - guess  the timing with Afghan evacuation - therefore over 500K backlog in immigration - they were at that time only being able to process 35K  a month. Yessir, took them over a year to approve MY WIFE! while they let in millions of illegal and foreign legal  immigrants who plan on staying there!

 

Absolutely disgraceful.

 

 

[theoldgit]

13 hours ago, Presnock said:

If there had not been so many people that obtained a visa to visit the US and then failed to return this wouldn't happen.  It has happened in many other countries too, once in the US there is no immigration checking to see where they are as is a must here.  That is why there are so many illegal immigrants flooding the US as they know they might never get caught.  Just saying.  That they need local employment or ownership as stated here is usually the key answers for a successful visa.

The last figures l’ve read from Homeland Security indicated that less than 1.5% of those entering the US using a Visa or under the VWP fail to leave on the first or subsequent visits, l accept with the numbers visiting that is a lot, but is it excessive, l don’t know.

 

The ICE staff l’ve had contact with over the years have told me that there is indeed checking, enforcement and detention of Immigration Offenders, with a lot of offenders being removed, l will concede that it’s been a few years since I’ve been in regular contact, but I’d be surprised if there were no checks carried out now.

[Phillip9]

6 hours ago, theoldgit said:

The last figures l’ve read from Homeland Security indicated that less than 1.5% of those entering the US using a Visa or under the VWP fail to leave

 

Keep in mind that is with the currrent strict requirements to visas.  I'm sure if they issued visas to unemployed single women like the OP's friend, the percentage that didn't leave would be much higher.

 

[Presnock]

15 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

Absolutely disgraceful.

 

 

But daughter is doing exceptional in the #1 University in Thailand.  During last year's term break, she went to the #1 University in Korea to study more Korean language.  was the only classmate to get an Academic achievement award for over 90%  grade (94).  She then did the same during the summer break and has already registered for the upcoming mid-term break.  Since she i getting a liberal arts degree and then a Masters', doesn't need the super expensive US degree.   IMHO anyway.  Upon finishing, if she so wishes she could easily get a job with the US govt with 4 languages.  i.e. two years ago, the US state dept could only fill about 25% of their foreign-language billets.  Too many Americans just don't like to study foreign languages.

[cjinchiangrai]

The part that nobody will say out loud is that they have a lot of racist pricks at the consulate that assume every Thai woman is an ex-bargirl trying to get out of Thailand. They ignore clear evidence to support their own prejudice.

[Captain Monday]

On 10/18/2024 at 4:14 AM, hotandsticky said:

 

Nonsense .

 

She couldn't have stronger ties to Thailand - and if there were sufficient reasons to return to satisfy UKVI then it should be good enough for the Yanks 

 

As it happens she hates America (no justifiable reason) abd they are only going for a week for a relatives wedding anniversary in Las Vegas. She can't wait to get back to the fields of Isaan.

 

 

Took one Thai friend 3 times over some years to get a tourist visa to go to USA.  Hawaii. With her golf happy Korean husband. He took herto Saipan a few times without visa Resident in Korea, full time job there. There is a bit of an age difference and attractive, but no kids. Seems they have plenty of money.

 

When she finally got to Honolulu she was separated from him and in the grilling rooms warned to not "run away". I have heard worse stories.

 

The  ICE officers at US airports are the worst I have ever dealt with and I am a US citizen. 

 

They treat female solo travellers, appallingly, even if they come from visa exempt/ESTA countries. 

Edited October 23 by Captain Monday

[hotandsticky]

1 hour ago, Phillip9 said:

 

Keep in mind that is with the currrent strict requirements to visas.  I'm sure if they issued visas to unemployed single women like the OP's friend, the percentage that didn't leave would be much higher.

 

 

I understand what you say but I don't think there is evidence to support that 

 

I just don't like unfairness. This is unfair. They are a stable, financially secure, mature couple with a track record of adherence to visa/entry requirements.

 

 

[hotandsticky]

There have been many informative posts (some less so) on this thread which I hope will serve to guide those thinking of taking their partners to the USA.

 

Frankly, it is an appalling, discriminatory process with a ridiculously long waiting period for an appointment. 

 

For those who thought I was trolling .....get a life!

[ChicagoExpat]

On 10/23/2024 at 10:07 AM, hotandsticky said:

There have been many informative posts (some less so) on this thread which I hope will serve to guide those thinking of taking their partners to the USA.

 

Frankly, it is an appalling, discriminatory process with a ridiculously long waiting period for an appointment. 

 

How worked up you get.  Let's see how YOU do trying to read the minds of people standing in front of you when there is a significant benefit in front of them.  Millions of people have overstayed visas over the years.  "Discriminatory"?  I think you need to look up the word.

[hotandsticky]

5 minutes ago, ChicagoExpat said:

How worked up you get.  Let's see how YOU do trying to read the minds of people standing in front of you when there is a significant benefit in front of them.  Millions of people have overstayed visas over the years.  "Discriminatory"?  I think you need to look up the word.

 

Not worked up at all, I just hate inefficient systems and a decision process that relies on one person talking to another, Any criteria that starts with the assumption that the applicant actually wants to emigrate to the USA  is both misguided and arrogant,

 

Having been involved in obtaining somewhere approaching 100 visas I can safely say that the US application process is the worst I have come across.....on top of that ....133 days to make an appointment  -  pathetic.

 

Discriminatory against Thais - most certainly - I avoided using the term "racist"....now go and look that up.

Edited yesterday at 12:13 AM by hotandsticky

[ChicagoExpat]

14 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

Not worked up at all, I just hate inefficient systems and a decision process that relies on one person talking to another, Any criteria that starts with the assumption that the applicant actually wants to emigrate to the USA  is both misguided and arrogant,

 

Having been involved in obtaining somewhere approaching 100 visas I can safely say that the US application process is the worst I have come across.....on top of that ....133 days to make an appointment  -  pathetic.

 

Discriminatory against Thais - most certainly - I avoided using the term "racist"....now go and look that up.

It's not misguided and arrogant at all.  It's based on reality.  An absolutely enormous percentage of the world's population would go to the U.S. if they could, because they know it's a place uniquely easy to start a new life and succeed.  Even if you're there illegally.  There is no other country like it in human history in this respect.

 

It's totally absurd that it's "discriminatory against Thais."  The great majority of Thais who apply receive visas -- how is that RACIST? AND --  many Thais have shown what they'll do if given the chance -- something like 400K Thais in the U.S., only a small percentage of whom emigrated legally.  MOST of the Thais I know who have some sort of ties to the U.S., when you really talk about who went there and how, somebody overstayed a visa or did it through a sham marriage.

 

If anything, the Embassy isn't being tough enough, looking at the facts.  Again, feel free to suggest a better system.  Again, feel free to describe how the Embassy is RACIST!!!!!  Or you can just keep repeating that (I can guess what you'll do).

[Presnock]

On 10/22/2024 at 5:16 PM, hotandsticky said:

 

Absolutely disgraceful.

 

 

yeah, but actually worked out better this way as daughter really happy in # univ here and also keeps taking classes at the #1 Univ in Korea during breaks here.  She is a Liberal Arts student so just as well as any US college including the one that accepted her.

[spidermike007]

A tourist visa is the most difficult category to get for a Thai citizen, visiting the US. A student visa is the second hardest to get. We tried, we failed, it doesn't matter what assets he has as there is no such thing as a sponsored visa and there hasn't been for a very long time. It's not about a quota, it's about her inability to show sufficient assets. 

 

Once we were married it was relatively easy for her to get a 10-year multiple entry visa. 

[animatic]

On 10/18/2024 at 5:40 PM, impulse said:

When I helped a female Thai friend get her 10 year tourist visa to the USA, we hired a agent.  They suggested I keep my name completely out of the process.  I did, and she got approved first try.  She had a good Thai job and had gone to college in Aus, but no assets to speak of.

 

My takeaway...  Pay the experts to do what they do every day of the week.  I don't recall what it cost, but I didn't flinch.  And I'm a cheap bastard.

 

100% agree. Had success with both 10 year tourist visa and 2 grad school education visas using agent. Paid once for 10 year and got complimentary advice on first Ed visa 

[Bohemianfish]

Based on what I've heard, a lot of Thai people in the past have traveled to other countries, particularly the USA, and simply disappeared. Working in the underground economy. There's too much temptation to make $15 an hour when a day's wage in Thailand can be $10 a day. Even at age 55, they could disappear and make bank on working and sending money home. 

 

It appears it has nothing to do with the applicant, but the government cautious. I knew of someone many years ago who came to the USA to study and they disappeared. The found a Thai partner with a green card and somehow she will just stay illegally in the USA forever?

Edited yesterday at 09:45 AM by Bohemianfish
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[Bohemianfish]

On 10/23/2024 at 3:57 AM, cjinchiangrai said:

The part that nobody will say out loud is that they have a lot of racist pricks at the consulate that assume every Thai woman is an ex-bargirl trying to get out of Thailand. They ignore clear evidence to support their own prejudice.

 

That doesn't seem to be the case at all based on my observations. Lots of ex-bar girls married and in the USA. Fiance visas are "pretty easy" to get.

 

We know of people with strong, established ties, money, businesses who simply can't get a tourist visa. Work visa? Yes. Marriage visa? Yes. Fiance visa? Yes. Study visa? Yes. We know a lot of people who have these types of visas. That's how those Thai people come to the USA.

 

For some reason, it appears that a tourist visa has been a high risk visa. Like its radioactive to give out. Anecdotally, it appears a high-risk situation as the person can come to the USA and simply disappear. 

 

We can assume the government tracks metrics/statistics on the probability of people disappearing into US society to work in the underground economy with different visas. 

[cjinchiangrai]

4 minutes ago, Bohemianfish said:

 

That doesn't seem to be the case at all based on my observations. Lots of ex-bar girls married and in the USA. Fiance visas are "pretty easy" to get.

 

We know of people with strong, established ties, money, businesses who simply can't get a tourist visa. Work visa? Yes. Marriage visa? Yes. Fiance visa? Yes. Study visa? Yes. We know a lot of people who have these types of visas. That's how those Thai people come to the USA.

 

For some reason, it appears that a tourist visa has been a high risk visa. Like its radioactive to give out. Anecdotally, it appears a high-risk situation as the person can come to the USA and simply disappear. 

 

We can assume the government tracks metrics/statistics on the probability of people disappearing into US society to work in the underground economy with different visas. 

Well we won't need to worry about it for at least four years. The Fourth Reich will see to it.

[cjinchiangrai]

4 hours ago, Bohemianfish said:

 

That doesn't seem to be the case at all based on my observations. Lots of ex-bar girls married and in the USA. Fiance visas are "pretty easy" to get.

 

We know of people with strong, established ties, money, businesses who simply can't get a tourist visa. Work visa? Yes. Marriage visa? Yes. Fiance visa? Yes. Study visa? Yes. We know a lot of people who have these types of visas. That's how those Thai people come to the USA.

 

For some reason, it appears that a tourist visa has been a high risk visa. Like its radioactive to give out. Anecdotally, it appears a high-risk situation as the person can come to the USA and simply disappear. 

 

We can assume the government tracks metrics/statistics on the probability of people disappearing into US society to work in the underground economy with different visas. 

Nonsense. The majority do not get visas and they are about to start a war on foreign visitors. The US is not all that great a place to be and it is about to get much worse.

[Bohemianfish]

4 hours ago, cjinchiangrai said:

Nonsense. The majority do not get visas and they are about to start a war on foreign visitors. The US is not all that great a place to be and it is about to get much worse.

Not much will change. It's all bluster and BS and grifting by politicians, particularly the incoming president.

It's impossible to change the immigration llaws. There would would be no "illegal" immigration if they simply fixed the work visa system. They just need to uptick the applicants for jobs in construction, meat packing plants, and agriculture.

It's all bs. they are now talking about only going after those who had their applications denied and those who need to be deported (criminals).

It's all BS. That's it. BS and grifting. Kicking the can.

 

Wasn't Tictok a national security threat? What happened there? It's all BS.

 

All BS. All BS by politicans. 

 

Very little will happen. and USCIS immigration laws won't change  a bit.

[Bohemianfish]

On 10/23/2024 at 3:57 AM, cjinchiangrai said:

The part that nobody will say out loud is that they have a lot of racist pricks at the consulate that assume every Thai woman is an ex-bargirl trying to get out of Thailand. They ignore clear evidence to support their own prejudice.

There are plenty of ex bargirls here in the USA. How many denied? Who knows.

All you need to do is simply laid out: Thai visa applicant need a clean health and legal record and answer basic questions. There are other things. 

[1FinickyOne]

On 10/18/2024 at 6:14 PM, hotandsticky said:

 

Nonsense .

 

She couldn't have stronger ties to Thailand - and if there were sufficient reasons to return to satisfy UKVI then it should be good enough for the Yanks 

 

As it happens she hates America (no justifiable reason) abd they are only going for a week for a relatives wedding anniversary in Las Vegas. She can't wait to get back to the fields of Isaan.

 

 

I believe you entirely. My experience has been that there are times when they don't really want to let anyone in... We got very lucky but we made a friend. They correctly trusted us. Seemingly nobody else. Try not to take it personally though I know that is difficult. You can pm me if you like. I would guess that these are not easy times for a visa of any type - - 

[cjinchiangrai]

9 hours ago, Bohemianfish said:

There are plenty of ex bargirls here in the USA. How many denied? Who knows.

All you need to do is simply laid out: Thai visa applicant need a clean health and legal record and answer basic questions. There are other things. 

But my wife, an MBA with a fat bank account and multiple properties can't. You obviously have never dealt with the US Embassy.

[BigStar]

On 10/18/2024 at 2:44 PM, hotandsticky said:

There is absolutely no risk of flight and UKVI determined that "on the balance of probability the applicant would return to Thailand...." when granting the UK visa.

 

That is, there absolutely is a risk of flight. Your opinion doesn't count. 

 

Owning a house and land doesn't mean she'll return. She can just rent that out or her family can live there free.

 

She's not married. Has no institutional job, income, or career, or her own successful company, that would compel her return. No big money in her very own bank account. No family who depends on her to be in Thailand. No formal ties to the Brit--she could just dump him in the US. Yep, Thai women have been known to do exactly that. Could just be using him, long-term.

 

On 10/18/2024 at 5:30 PM, hotandsticky said:

he doesn't need employment she is fully financially supported by her partner who is retired with a pension of £40k p a. plus £100j+ in the bank and property assets of £250k.

 

But that isn't hers and they're not even married. It appears his assets aren't in Thailand, either.

 

On 10/18/2024 at 6:14 PM, hotandsticky said:

She couldn't have stronger ties to Thailand

 

That's the problem. Thais who get visas DO have stronger ties.

 

On 10/18/2024 at 6:14 PM, hotandsticky said:

if there were sufficient reasons to return to satisfy UKVI then it should be good enough for the Yanks 

 

Illogical, silly, arrogant nonsense.

 

On 10/20/2024 at 8:57 AM, hotandsticky said:

I don't like the USA system.

 

Well, boo-hoo. Don't use it. The USA doesn't owe you a thing.

 

On 10/21/2024 at 1:39 PM, hotandsticky said:

However, she is a perfect applicant for a tourist visa

 

No, and the reasons why not have all been explained to you.

 

On 10/23/2024 at 10:07 AM, hotandsticky said:

Frankly, it is an appalling, discriminatory process with a ridiculously long waiting period for an appointment. 

 

No, the rules are the same for all Thais and citizens of poorer countries. Yes, discrimination according to assets and probability of returning to Thailand is necessarily applied to reduce the number of possible overstayers. Like many here, I've known Thais who got USA visas rather easily IF they met expectations. No, not everyone who wants a visa gets one. Life is life.

 

Nor does the USA owe you any particular convenience. Ranting, even repeatedly, will not change their position on that issue.

 

 

[Presnock]

On 10/23/2024 at 8:57 AM, cjinchiangrai said:

The part that nobody will say out loud is that they have a lot of racist pricks at the consulate that assume every Thai woman is an ex-bargirl trying to get out of Thailand. They ignore clear evidence to support their own prejudice.

that goes for other ASIAN countries too and probable some other countries but with millions of illegal immigrants just the last few years, I can't imagine anyone wanting to work for ICE and finding funds for the care of those millions comes out of tax dollars, not from donations from warm hearts.  MHO from what I read quite often.