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[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Since you can’t substantiate this, do you think you could man up and admit you made an unsubstantiated slur?

 

 

 

   Do you agree with the current sentencing guidelines ?

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

You are the one pretending not to know who Starmer is in order to avoid responding to the matter in hand. 

 

 

Jonny, I know who Starmer is.

 

Its this Two Tier Kier character to you keep referring to that does not exist.

 

 

Edited 3 hours ago by Chomper Higgot

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do you agree with the current sentencing guidelines ?

Let’s have your withdrawal of your baseless slur first.

 

 

[simple1]

6 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The justice system wouldn't dare do this unless the groomers were white, which in most recent cases they are not.

 

Can't be upsetting the minorities, you know. You only have to look at the lack of charges in the Manchester Airport attack on the female police officer to see this.

 

Britain's 2 tier justice system is broken.  

 

There are more ethic whites prosecuted for grooming just doesn't get as much media attention - wonder why...

 

• "Research has found that group-based child sexual exploitation offenders are most commonly white."

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/944206/Group-based_CSE_Paper.pdf

 

“Yes Pakistani men are disproportionately involved in grooming gangs and this particular model of abuse. And no that is not a racist statement. Neither is it racist to say that when it comes to wider child abuse nearly 90 per cent of those convicted and on the sex offenders register are white men.”

 

https://fullfact.org/crime/what-do-we-know-about-ethnicity-people-involved-sexual-offences-against-children/

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Let’s have your withdrawal of your baseless slur first.

 

 

 

   You have already stated that you agree with the current sentencing guidelines and I am giving you an opportunity to change your mind about that .

   If you don't agree with the current sentencing guidelines then I my claim would then be wrong .

   So do you agree with the current sentencing guidelines or not ?

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You have already stated that you agree with the current sentencing guidelines and I am giving you an opportunity to change your mind about that .

   If you don't agree with the current sentencing guidelines then I my claim would then be wrong .

   So do you agree with the current sentencing guidelines or not ?

 I have already stated:

 

I would like to see all rapists get the maximum sentence according to the sentencing guidelines, if you have any evidence of me saying otherwise please post it.

 

Now let’s have your retraction of your baseless slur.

 

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, simple1 said:

There are more ethic whites prosecuted for grooming just doesn't get as much media attention - wonder why...

 

Because they don't investigate/prosecute non-whites at the same rate. That's the whole point.  

 

You should read the Jay report.

 

https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2024/2/23/the-uks-grooming-gangs-and-the-lessons-never-learned

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 I have already stated:

 

I would like to see all rapists get the maximum sentence according to the sentencing guidelines, if you have any evidence of me saying otherwise please post it.

 

Now let’s have your retraction of your baseless slur.

 

 

   I was replying to this though 

 

 

'"I’ve already linked the actual sentencing guidelines for this crime, as set by the last Government in 2022.

That’s what the sentencing is and should be."

 

   You then subsequently posted that they should get the maximum punishment  , which is different to what you initially posted 

 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I was replying to this though 

 

 

'"I’ve already linked the actual sentencing guidelines for this crime, as set by the last Government in 2022.

That’s what the sentencing is and should be."

 

   You then subsequently posted that they should get the maximum punishment  , which is different to what you initially posted 

 

Of course, because my categorical statement does not fit your misrepresentation of my views.

 

I’ve underlined the salient part.

 

13 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

I would like to see all rapists get the maximum sentence according to the sentencing guidelines, if you have any evidence of me saying otherwise please post it.

Now here’s your baseless slur again, are you man enough to withdraw it?

 

56 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Currently some offenders get four years in jail for raping 13 year olds .

  That is what you agree with . 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Of course, because my categorical statement does not fit your misrepresentation of my views.

 

I’ve underlined the salient part.

 

Now here’s your baseless slur again, are you man enough to withdraw it?

 

 

 

   You stated that you agree with the current sentencing rules and I gave an example of the current sentencing rules where people have been jailed for 4 years for raping 13 year olds  .

 So you agree with that 

   You then changed your mind and stated they should get the maximum sentence (14 years)  .

   My post was correct at the time  then you changed your mind and said they should get the maximum sentence 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

My post was correct at the time  then you changed your mind and said they should get the maximum sentence 

No, your post was a baseless slur, from the same dishonesty that had you truncating my post and juxtaposing against something I was not responding to.

 

You’ve got nothing but baseless slurs and dishonest representation of my comments.

 

I did ask, are you man enough to correct your error, clearly you are not.

[JonnyF]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

No, your post was a baseless slur, from the same dishonesty that had you truncating my post and juxtaposing against something I was not responding to.

 

You’ve got nothing but baseless slurs and dishonest representation of my comments.

 

I did ask, are you man enough to correct your error, clearly you are not.

 

You're all over the place. 😃

 

Contradict yourself at every turn. When all else fails, you gaslight. 

[frank83628]

7 hours ago, JonnyF said:

The justice system wouldn't dare do this unless the groomers were white, which in most recent cases they are not.

 

Can't be upsetting the minorities, you know. You only have to look at the lack of charges in the Manchester Airport attack on the female police officer to see this.

 

Britain's 2 tier justice system is broken.  

i saw the video, but they didn't get charged?

[digger70]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   What should be the jail sentence be for gangs of men who serially abuse Children ?

   As you are saying that a life sentence is too harsh  what should their jail  sentence be ?

Life sentence is for sure too harsh.

Get it done Quick and Easy and no burden on the taxpayer ,

The Death Sentence.

[JonnyF]

7 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

i saw the video, but they didn't get charged?

 

Nope. 3 months on and the CPS are still hoping the story will disappear.

 

https://www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/manchester-airport-cctv-violence-cps-30147695

 

That's why Reform are trying to pressure them into it. 

 

Interesting that the FaceBook posters and anti immigration protesters were charged, convicted and sentenced within a week. 

 

2 tier justice could not be any clearer. 

 

[Red Forever]

12 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

Robert Jenrick, the former immigration minister and current Tory leadership contender, has advocated for stricter penalties for grooming gang members. Jenrick argues that members of these gangs, responsible for heinous acts of child sexual exploitation, should face whole life sentences, ensuring they never walk free again. He believes the current maximum sentences for crimes involving group-based child sexual exploitation and sexual assault are insufficient and should be replaced with a minimum whole life term for convicted offenders. This change would mean life imprisonment without the possibility of release.

 

Currently, under the 2003 Sexual Offences Act, the maximum sentence for grooming is a minimum of 14 years. However, some members of grooming gangs receive much lower sentences, sometimes as little as four years, even for horrific crimes such as raping girls as young as 13. Jenrick finds this disparity unacceptable and calls for a more severe approach. 

 

In addition to advocating for harsher prison sentences, Jenrick proposed automatic deportation for non-British offenders involved in grooming gangs. He also suggested criminal penalties for public officials who fail to report these crimes and the introduction of permanent electronic tagging for any offender released from prison. Jenrick expressed his belief that victims of grooming gangs in places like Rotherham should be consulted about the creation of a monument in their town. He believes such a memorial would serve as a lasting reminder to the nation of the injustices suffered by victims and the failure of authorities to protect them.

 

 

"The dedicated grooming gangs task force led to the arrest of over 550 suspects in a single year," Jenrick noted, referencing measures introduced by former Home Secretary Suella Braverman. While he acknowledges this as a positive step, Jenrick feels it is not enough. "Anyone who thinks these crimes are no longer happening is delusional. That view, sadly widespread across the most powerful people in Britain, is condemning more working-class girls to these savage and life-ruining crimes."

 

Jenrick stressed that the issue of grooming gangs is still prevalent today, citing findings from the Telford Report, which indicated that this form of exploitation remains widespread across the country. He went on to call the situation "a stain on our nation’s moral conscience," arguing that it is time to take more decisive action. "Anyone who has read the Jay report would support locking up these disgusting predators for life," he said, referring to the 2014 Alexis Jay report, which found that at least 1,400 children were groomed in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013. This number was described as a "conservative" estimate.

 

Jenrick also proposed lifetime bans and penalties for public servants who failed to act on grooming gang crimes. The Alexis Jay report had previously revealed that some public servants refrained from reporting these crimes due to fears of being labeled racist. Jenrick's proposal includes creating a "blacklist" that would prevent any such official from working in the public sector again. He expressed concern that many grooming gang criminals have been released back into the very communities where they committed their crimes, leading to the traumatic situation where victims encounter their abusers in public.

 

To prevent this from continuing, Jenrick proposed permanent electronic tagging for grooming offenders and a lifetime injunction barring them from coming near their victims. In extreme cases, this could even mean barring offenders from living in the same town where their crimes took place.

 

Based on a report from the Daily Telegraph 2024-10-22

 

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Social Media said:

 

Robert Jenrick, the former immigration minister and current Tory leadership contender, has advocated for stricter penalties for grooming gang members. Jenrick argues that members of these gangs, responsible for heinous acts of child sexual exploitation, should face whole life sentences, ensuring they never walk free again. He believes the current maximum sentences for crimes involving group-based child sexual exploitation and sexual assault are insufficient and should be replaced with a minimum whole life term for convicted offenders. This change would mean life imprisonment without the possibility of release.

 

Currently, under the 2003 Sexual Offences Act, the maximum sentence for grooming is a minimum of 14 years. However, some members of grooming gangs receive much lower sentences, sometimes as little as four years, even for horrific crimes such as raping girls as young as 13. Jenrick finds this disparity unacceptable and calls for a more severe approach. 

 

In addition to advocating for harsher prison sentences, Jenrick proposed automatic deportation for non-British offenders involved in grooming gangs. He also suggested criminal penalties for public officials who fail to report these crimes and the introduction of permanent electronic tagging for any offender released from prison. Jenrick expressed his belief that victims of grooming gangs in places like Rotherham should be consulted about the creation of a monument in their town. He believes such a memorial would serve as a lasting reminder to the nation of the injustices suffered by victims and the failure of authorities to protect them.

 

 

"The dedicated grooming gangs task force led to the arrest of over 550 suspects in a single year," Jenrick noted, referencing measures introduced by former Home Secretary Suella Braverman. While he acknowledges this as a positive step, Jenrick feels it is not enough. "Anyone who thinks these crimes are no longer happening is delusional. That view, sadly widespread across the most powerful people in Britain, is condemning more working-class girls to these savage and life-ruining crimes."

 

Jenrick stressed that the issue of grooming gangs is still prevalent today, citing findings from the Telford Report, which indicated that this form of exploitation remains widespread across the country. He went on to call the situation "a stain on our nation’s moral conscience," arguing that it is time to take more decisive action. "Anyone who has read the Jay report would support locking up these disgusting predators for life," he said, referring to the 2014 Alexis Jay report, which found that at least 1,400 children were groomed in Rotherham between 1997 and 2013. This number was described as a "conservative" estimate.

 

Jenrick also proposed lifetime bans and penalties for public servants who failed to act on grooming gang crimes. The Alexis Jay report had previously revealed that some public servants refrained from reporting these crimes due to fears of being labeled racist. Jenrick's proposal includes creating a "blacklist" that would prevent any such official from working in the public sector again. He expressed concern that many grooming gang criminals have been released back into the very communities where they committed their crimes, leading to the traumatic situation where victims encounter their abusers in public.

 

To prevent this from continuing, Jenrick proposed permanent electronic tagging for grooming offenders and a lifetime injunction barring them from coming near their victims. In extreme cases, this could even mean barring offenders from living in the same town where their crimes took place.

 

Based on a report from the Daily Telegraph 2024-10-22

 

 

 

"the maximum sentence for grooming is a minimum of 14 years"!!

This drivel was written in, what used to be, a respected (albeit right wing) British newspaper.

"Honest" Bob Jenrick was best mates with Richard "Dirty" Desmond owner of the Express newspapers via his company Northern Shell. Investigation continues on Desmond's proposed property development in the constituency of one Robert Jenrick who fortuitously held a government portfolio in the area of housing thereby facilitating Desmond.

Slippery as an eel.

[Chomper Higgot]

15 minutes ago, Red Forever said:

 

"the maximum sentence for grooming is a minimum of 14 years"!!

This drivel was written in, what used to be, a respected (albeit right wing) British newspaper.

"Honest" Bob Jenrick was best mates with Richard "Dirty" Desmond owner of the Express newspapers via his company Northern Shell. Investigation continues on Desmond's proposed property development in the constituency of one Robert Jenrick who fortuitously held a government portfolio in the area of housing thereby facilitating Desmond.

Slippery as an eel.

He’s the best they’ve got!

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

No, your post was a baseless slur, from the same dishonesty that had you truncating my post and juxtaposing against something I was not responding to.

 

You’ve got nothing but baseless slurs and dishonest representation of my comments.

 

I did ask, are you man enough to correct your error, clearly you are not.

 

   No, you clearly stated that you agree with the current sentencing guidelines and you disagree with Jenrick that the guidelines need to be changed .

   The current sentencing guidelines have seen men jailed for four years for raping 13 year olds .

   So, do you agree with the current sentencing guidelines or do you agree with Jenrick that they need to be changed ?

[Chomper Higgot]

54 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   No, you clearly stated that you agree with the current sentencing guidelines and you disagree with Jenrick that the guidelines need to be changed .

   The current sentencing guidelines have seen men jailed for four years for raping 13 year olds .

   So, do you agree with the current sentencing guidelines or do you agree with Jenrick that they need to be changed ?

Once again misrepresenting my statements.