Addiction

[connda]

9 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

I intend on going to Hospital at some point to get advice

"at some point."  You need to be honest with yourself.  And yes!  I am being blunt. 
Go get assistance...now. 

This is my last comment.  Best of luck friend.  You gotta wanna quit for real.

[Badrabbit]

12 minutes ago, connda said:

True - but you have a Tramadol dependence, and given the discussions here you seem to be reluctant to take the steps necessary to taper and then quit - permanently.  Personally based on your discussion on this forum, I'd really suggest looking for professional help in withdrawing from Tramadol. 
If that is too much money for you, then look into a NA meetings in your area.  You strike me as someone who needs assistance with their withdrawals.  Go get it.

As I have stated I am doing it slowly, I will go to the Hospital at some point and get advice, I'm not I any hurry.

 

[Badrabbit]

18 minutes ago, connda said:

True - but you have a Tramadol dependence, and given the discussions here you seem to be reluctant to take the steps necessary to taper and then quit - permanently.  Personally based on your discussion on this forum, I'd really suggest looking for professional help in withdrawing from Tramadol. 
If that is too much money for you, then look into a NA meetings in your area.  You strike me as someone who needs assistance with their withdrawals.  Go get it.

I either quit suddenly and go through withdrawel,no thanks to that, or take it slowly reducing which I'm doing.

I do need to get advice on how I can reduce the symptoms of withdrawel, I'm doing  okay at the moment.

Thanks for your comments.

Edited October 29 by Badrabbit

[newbee2022]

I'm so happy that our online Doctor gives advice for free. 

[newbee2022]

22 hours ago, Sheryl said:

Tramadol  is a capsule. Ultracet is s tablet but cannot be split. So 1/2, 1/4 etc are not options. He has to work wuth dosages of 37.5 or 50 and number of doses per day.

Why you cannot split a tablet? There are pill splitters on the market

[Gaccha]

3 hours ago, wombat said:

Er...you can die coming off methadone.

He has an opioid addiction

 

It's one of the four standard methods as outlined in the link that I provided. Had you actually read it you would have known this before your dismissive response.

 

"According to the Australian “National Guidelines for Medication-Assisted Treatment of Opioid Dependence” by Linda Gowing et al., published in April 2014, there are 4 primary interventions for managing opioid withdrawal...  a third method entails gradually reducing doses of methadone."

 

And you are wrong that people cannot die from going cold turkey with opioids.

 

I understand you will not read the link but the title of the link is perfectly adequate: "Yes, people can die from opiate withdrawal"

[Gaccha]

35 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Why you cannot split a tablet? There are pill splitters on the market

 

One reason is that the ingredients are often covered by a protective layer (enteric layer) which ensures the ingredients are not destroyed in the stomach before it can be absorbed into the body.

[newbee2022]

24 minutes ago, Gaccha said:

 

One reason is that the ingredients are often covered by a protective layer (enteric layer) which ensures the ingredients are not destroyed in the stomach before it can be absorbed into the body.

The ingredients are not only on one side of the tablets but evenly distributed. So if you split half you get half of ingredients 

[JackGats]

2 hours ago, connda said:

Got any experience with either?  If not, you don't really know what you're talking about.  I could go into the chemical structures of the two and discuss stuff like the mu opioid receptors, various alkoloids, effect on serotonin and norepinephrine, etc., and as such why Kratom is an easier step-down then Tramadol, or Methadone, or Morphine, and other opioids. And there are chemical and biological reasons why.  But?  Probably over the heads of most AN readers who probably would be interested anyway.

 

As for me, I don't bang people on the head with my degrees too much. They might wear out.

[wombat]

58 minutes ago, Gaccha said:

 

It's one of the four standard methods as outlined in the link that I provided. Had you actually read it you would have known this before your dismissive response.

 

"According to the Australian “National Guidelines for Medication-Assisted Treatment of Opioid Dependence” by Linda Gowing et al., published in April 2014, there are 4 primary interventions for managing opioid withdrawal...  a third method entails gradually reducing doses of methadone."

 

And you are wrong that people cannot die from going cold turkey with opioids.

 

I understand you will not read the link but the title of the link is perfectly adequate: "Yes, people can die from opiate withdrawal"

Er...are you speaking from personal experiences or from book learning?

[scubascuba3]

2 hours ago, Badrabbit said:

I intend on going to Hospital at some point to get advice, at the moment I'm okay with my situation.

Thanks for the comment.

One thing i don't understand, you took tramadol because you were in pain, if you stop taking it what are you going to do about the original pain, maybe still there?

[Badrabbit]

15 minutes ago, scubascuba3 said:

One thing i don't understand, you took tramadol because you were in pain, if you stop taking it what are you going to do about the original pain, maybe still there?

I can't imagine the real pain is still there after 4 yrs, I don't know and won't know untill I stop the Tramadol, interesting situation though.

I'm going very slowly, I'm down to taking 3 tablets over 24 hrs from 4 tablets over 24hrs, I'm not in a hurry.

[Sheryl]

2 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

Why you cannot split a tablet? There are pill splitters on the market

The manufacturer states this cannot safely be done in the case of Ultraset. They do not say why. I think it prudent to adhere to manufacturer warning. 

[newbee2022]

4 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

The manufacturer states this cannot safely be done in the case of Ultraset. They do not say why. I think it prudent to adhere to manufacturer warning. 

Thanks

[JackGats]

44 minutes ago, Sheryl said:

The manufacturer states this cannot safely be done in the case of Ultraset. They do not say why. I think it prudent to adhere to manufacturer warning. 

The manufacturer wants to prevent abuse. I bet the acetaminophen/paracetamol is only included as a deterrent to abuse. Acetaminophen is lethal at high doses. 

[Coota]

I am also addicted to Tramadol @Badrabbit. I have been battling with it on and off for about 8 years or so. I am presently taking 4 by 50 mg capsules a day all in about 30 minutes in the mid afternoon when my body seems to start aching and my legs and feet get restless and ache. I returned to live in Australia for two and a half years in November 2019 and was forced to give it up there as no Doctor would prescribe it. I remember I was so busy organising my family's move to Oz and actualling travelling then setting up a new home in Oz that I forgot about my daily tramadol dose so gave it up rather easily. Back then I was taking up to 7 capsules [350 mg]. However when I returned to Thailand I gradually started using it again for my various aches and pains. I have a bad back and now have rods and pins in it, I also have an osteoarthritic knee. 

 

I am in the process of weaning myself of them as I am anticipating a trip to Oz coming up. When I first injured my back in Oz around 15 years ago the Doctors were throwing pain killers at me like candy. I would get a script for 6 boxes of 20 Panadeine Forte with 5 repeats so it's any wonder I ended up addicted to opiates. Now they won't even advise you to take a panadol.

 

Hopefully I can ween myself off them and not relapse as they are easy to get here. I am otherwise healthy, I eat well, have a balanced diet and exercise every day. I drink about 4 small beers an evening before I eat. 

Edited October 29 by Coota
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[Gaccha]

3 hours ago, wombat said:

speaking from personal experiences or from book learning

 

From the scientific method which overcame personal prejudice and relied on investigation under controlled conditions. These marvellous organisations, for our benefit, do this for us, and the links I provided, that you are so reluctant to read, are from their thousands of hours of toil.

 

This is especially important in this area where addicts are prone to lying. And where people can have considerably different experiences. And the reason I know these latter two points is again because of the scientific method.

[Gaccha]

1 hour ago, JackGats said:

acetaminophen/paracetamol is only included as a deterrent to abuse.

 

You have to be joking. You think they would add something, in order to deter people from taking too much of another substance in the tablet?

 

But this deterrent effect would only work if the person reads the ingredients label... and is fairly literate on drug types...  and also knows this particular fairly common drug can be very dangerous... And then and only then if all those conditions apply might it deter a potential addict...

[driver52]

5 hours ago, Badrabbit said:

I can't imagine the real pain is still there after 4 yrs, I don't know and won't know untill I stop the Tramadol, interesting situation though.

I'm going very slowly, I'm down to taking 3 tablets over 24 hrs from 4 tablets over 24hrs, I'm not in a hurry.

badrabbit mate, are you overweight much? I don't want to send you 'down a rabbit hole' but I believe we cure most things with diet...including cancer (which half the time might just be parasites)

sadly there is too much money to be made via treatments in the so called health industry for it to be anything but healthy 

[zyphodb]

On 10/27/2024 at 7:23 AM, carlyai said:

Have you tried Gabapentine at night?

 

The problem being, you're one opoid for another, equally addictive drug. It could work if you juggled between them, but you'd have to be very self aware or you'd end up hooked on both'''

[Badrabbit]

12 minutes ago, driver52 said:

badrabbit mate, are you overweight much? I don't want to send you 'down a rabbit hole' but I believe we cure most things with diet...including cancer (which half the time might just be parasites)

sadly there is too much money to be made via treatments in the so called health industry for it to be anything but healthy 

Not overweight at all, thanks for asking.

[Kinok Farang]

On 10/25/2024 at 11:07 PM, BigStar said:

Get advice and maybe alternate meds from a doc to help you taper off.

Excellent advice.The same advice my Doc gave me.I'm an alki.

Good luck.

[Kinok Farang]

On 10/26/2024 at 7:58 AM, carlyai said:

In my experience, if you go 'cold turkey' from an addiction the pain and horribleness lasts longer than a few days, but does get better.

As an example, 3 months for giving up smoking, then you have a good chance of beating it.

 

I had a back work accident at 45yrs, then 3 failed back operations, off on workers comp., then 2 years used up my long service leave. Company pensioned me off, Mrs left with the kids and left me lying around on every medicine drs kept throwing at me: strong pain killers, antiinflamatory, heaps of valium, muscle relaxants, massages, rehab hospitals, large doses of Aspirin, medicine to stop the fire in my stomach, medicine for constapation, antidepressants  etc. Plus Vodka.

I was a mumbling mess.

One day I just stopped all the tablets, everything, went to a clinical sycologist, started pushing thru the pain with walking and exercises and 3 years later, re-did my Surf Bronze medalion (just to prove I could do it).

 

So you can get better, but it's very painful and difficult.

 

I'd day just go 'cold turkey' for 3 months or 87 days (mark them on a whiteboard).

 

Purchase 'Headspace' a meditation app. and do the 365 day sessions.

 

Buy the gunga oil and have a couple of drops before bed.

 

People will say it's dangerous to go 'cold turkey', but it works.

🙂

 

Cold turkey for any drug is for heroes,crazy heroes.

My Doc stressed i should never even consider it.

My drug was alcohol and the only way is taper.

[Kinok Farang]

On 10/27/2024 at 11:13 AM, SiSePuede419 said:

Gee, that's terrible!

Maybe you can tell that to the person who forced you to take those addictive opioids.

Oh wait.

That's you.

Nevermind.

Have you tried fentanyl yet?

I have.

It's boring.  Just puts you to sleep.

You might like it. 😘

What a nob!

[driver52]

17 minutes ago, Badrabbit said:

Not overweight at all, thanks for asking.

cool, it that case, good exercise regime....ie even you can't get out much cos of heat etc yoga is bloody great for keeping supple and flexible as we all get older

[Nip]

I got hooked on Tramadol too. I have not read all of the answers herein but there is only one way to get of it cos it contains a % of heroin. I used to wake up depressed and reached for a tablet. I was on it for 3 years. The doctor in my home country took the easy way out just kept increasing the dosage. I reduced the intake slowly I was on 200mg. So over three months I finally got off it. It wont be easy and even when you think you are off it, you ain't it took me six months. There is no quick cure. Yes I still have some pain in my hip but at least I aint depressed. There is no easy way. I tried everything but take it nice and slow. Now I take no medication only when I need it. If Im in a lot of pain I take a Gabapentin and it does the job. but that would be only once every six weeks. I have to come to terms with getting older and it could be a lot worse. Just allow three months to get off this bustard. Its like smoking the only way is to stop.

 

[driver52]

12 minutes ago, Kinok Farang said:

Cold turkey for any drug is for heroes,crazy heroes.

My Doc stressed i should never even consider it.

My drug was alcohol and the only way is taper.

dunno chief, I gave up smoking, alcohol, sugars, too many carbs via just stopping....

in fact when I gave up smokin I smoked about 60 fags on new years eve as a final farewell 

[Badrabbit]

27 minutes ago, Kinok Farang said:

What a nob!

If you post in the forums expect 1 maybe more to be a nob.

[Kinok Farang]

1 hour ago, driver52 said:

dunno chief, I gave up smoking, alcohol, sugars, too many carbs via just stopping....

in fact when I gave up smokin I smoked about 60 fags on new years eve as a final farewell 

Proves my point.You are a hero mate.

[carlyai]

12 hours ago, zyphodb said:

 

The problem being, you're one opoid for another, equally addictive drug. It could work if you juggled between them, but you'd have to be very self aware or you'd end up hooked on both'''

Yes, a bad suggestion.