Do Jewish People Have High IQ?

[BruceWayne]

Absolutely NOT.

 

This is a great explanation:

https://voxday.net/2018/04/29/the-myth-of-jewish-intelligence/

 

Consider "[Israel] remains economically dependent upon regular handouts from Germany and the USA. Even after 70 years, it is not the advanced society that one would expect a uniquely high average IQ society to be. The reason, of course, is that it is not."

 

 

[BruceWayne]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

What's the next ethnic/racial group to start a baiting topic about?

 

 

 

 

 

How can it be an ethnic/racial group if you can convert to it?

Also, if they are 'semetic' (middle eastern) why are so many of them are SO pasty / white?

 

Jewishness makes for a great defence though - if anyone criticises you (rightly or wrongly) you can cry

'anTIseMitiST!'

 

Would be pleasantly surprising i fyou could answer the questions above and not go adhom but I've seen enough of your posts to know what's coming : )

Go on, call me 'anTIseMetiC' or some other baseless b*******  😂

 

 

[BruceWayne]

4 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

I think trying to access someone's IQ when they believe - like muslims, christians, hindu, budists etc - in a deity that cannot be proven exists , lowers IQ considerably in my opinion.

 

 

 

Believing in the 'Big Bang' *THEORY* (space dust magically becoming space jizz magically evolving into humans) that *CANNOT BE PROVEN* is also a sign of low IQ / high gullibility 😉

 

PS. It's assess NOT access x

 

 

[bendejo]

Are all Jews smart?  I have a buddy who he thinks himself brilliant.  He's really getting by on improvised bs and arrogance.  A few minutes of conversation with him will shatter your perceptions regarding the title of this thread.

For those of you who were educated in Catholicism, have you ever wondered what happened to "doubting Thomas" after his signature episode?  Search on

cochin india jews

 

How can you recognize a Jew?  Try reading Malamud's "The Angel Levine."   (It's a short story, also there is also a movie of it from long ago, haven't seen it myself.)

 

[Jingthing]

35 minutes ago, BruceWayne said:

Absolutely NOT.

 

This is a great explanation:

https://voxday.net/2018/04/29/the-myth-of-jewish-intelligence/

 

Consider "[Israel] remains economically dependent upon regular handouts from Germany and the USA. Even after 70 years, it is not the advanced society that one would expect a uniquely high average IQ society to be. The reason, of course, is that it is not."

 

 

Israel is not the same thing as Jews.

[Jingthing]

41 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

Exactly!

 

Exactly what?

[Jingthing]

27 minutes ago, BruceWayne said:

 

How can it be an ethnic/racial group if you can convert to it?

Also, if they are 'semetic' (middle eastern) why are so many of them are SO pasty / white?

 

Jewishness makes for a great defence though - if anyone criticises you (rightly or wrongly) you can cry

'anTIseMitiST!'

 

Would be pleasantly surprising i fyou could answer the questions above and not go adhom but I've seen enough of your posts to know what's coming : )

Go on, call me 'anTIseMetiC' or some other baseless b*******  😂

 

 

Well good luck with that.

You've outed yourself already. No need to say more.

As far as the ethnicity thing. Jews are not a race. The majority of Jews are identifiable as part of a few ethnic groups including Ashkenazim. Conversion is very much NOT encouraged. You need to actively work towards it with your own motivation and work hard at it. Or be born to a Jewish mother. Your choice. Basically, Jews are an ETHNORELIGIOUS group. Like Kurds. A person can be a Jewish person and often is without any involvement in religious faith part of it whatsoever. That's the ETHNO part of that word.

[Jingthing]

7 hours ago, Jingthing said:

What's the next ethnic/racial group to start a baiting topic about?

 

 

I'm going to go deeper into this and will likely offend. Oh well. It's for a purpose which I will explain.

 

This very topic just for what it is open invitation to racism and bigotry against Jews.

 

How can that be when the premise is high IQ, not low IQ

See how the OP continues predictably bringing up age old antisemtiic tropes about Jews and money, controlling the banks, and so on. 

 

So not so positive after all.

 

Compare to this idea for a topic:

 

Do black people have low IQ?

 

Then an OP saying, but heck they're great athletes and they sure have rythym when they dance.

 

In my view, such an obviously disgusting RACIST topic about blacks which I bring up hypothetically is exactly of the same category as this topic about Jews.

 

Nobody should start such a topic about blacks, and nobody should have started this topic about Jews.

 

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, BruceWayne said:

 

'Jew' is a basically meaningless term then 

 

Yhanks for confirming 👍

B.S.

It's not at all meaningless.

It's just completely different than what you think it is.

 

Ethnoreligious group - Wikipedia

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, BruceWayne said:

 

'Jew' is a basically meaningless term then:

 

"part of a few ethnic groups" so it's NOT 1 ethnic group?

So yuou're saying they're NOT 'semetic' / from the middle east?

 

Also would point out most jews I've met are atheist so not sure what they have to "work hard at"?

 

Thanks for confirming  tho 👍

 

x

 

 

 

   But the reality of the situation doesn't revolve around the "Jews that you've met"

  There's a bigger World out there , much more than your personal experience 

[bendejo]

I find it admirable that of the three major Abrahamic religions Judaism is the only one that DOES NOT seek converts, whereas, in days of olde,  the other two threatened death if conversion is refused.  Every so often a celebrity conversion happens, most well known (at least in the time of my youth) were Liz Taylor and Sammy Davis Jr.  Bringing this up to adult Jews was always met with a laugh.  Then there is Spielberg's wife who converted and is more observant than her husband.

Oh yeah, and that guy that the New Testament is all about, I never heard about him renouncing his original religion.  If he does comes back, which a lot of people are waiting to happen, he could be found in the synagogue on Saturday morning.  He'll paraphrase Groucho: "I would never join a religion that worships me!"  How can someone who is an anti-semite have a Jewish savior? 

 

[Jingthing]

Jews who are Jewish because they were born to a Jewish mother are automatically Jews whether they grow up to practice the religion, atheist, or not.

The Jews who really need to work hard at it are converts. 

Unlike Christianity and Islam Jews are not seeking converts.

Aside from genocides, why do you think there are so few Jews in the world?

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, BruceWayne said:

 

To ADL RIchard:

 

What is a Jew to you (apart from a liability shield)?

 

Jew' is a fairly meaningless term imho - comparable to 'man utd fan'

 

"part of a few ethnic groups" so it's NOT 1 ethnic group?

So yuou're saying they're NOT 'semetic' / from the middle east?

 

Also would point out most jews are atheist or iffy (see the rabbi who owns prornhub or rabbi schmulley who sell butt plugs etc.)

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

  Dude, your posts are all over the place .

I cannot understand what you want to say 

[Jingthing]

As said Jews are not ONE ethnic group. But include a few that are definitely Jewish ethnic groups. As far as genetics most Jews in those  Jewish ethnic groups other than recent converts will have genetic ties to the Middle east, including Palestinian Arabs and Italians.

If you go to Colombia you will find many Catholics who were originally exiled Jews who were forced to convert with identifiable genetics to Sephardim.

 

Types of Jews | My Jewish Learning

[SoCal1990]

1 hour ago, BruceWayne said:

Absolutely NOT.

 

This is a great explanation:

https://voxday.net/2018/04/29/the-myth-of-jewish-intelligence/

 

Consider "[Israel] remains economically dependent upon regular handouts from Germany and the USA. Even after 70 years, it is not the advanced society that one would expect a uniquely high average IQ society to be. The reason, of course, is that it is not."

 

 

Sephardic Jews make up over 50% of the Jewish population in Israel. The Ashkenazi Jews are only about 30%. And then the rest is a mix. The Jewish group that is known to have a higher IQ are the Ashkenazi Jews and they are not the dominant race in Israel.  

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, BruceWayne said:

 

Most of them as pasty / white than me (a Brit) so 'antisemite' is a nonsense.

 

In fact the Zios are the real antisemites as theyre bombing Palestinians who at least convincingly look like they're ethnically from that region - i.e they ain't white and actually look semetic = Pallys are the real semites

 

 

 

 

You're confused about the word semitic.

There are semitic languages such as Hebrew and Arabic.

The word antisemite for better or worse developed specifically only to mean hatred of Jews. You would know well about that.

[Jingthing]

Just now, SoCal1990 said:

Sephardic Jews make up over 50% of the Jewish population in Israel. The Ashkenazi Jews are only about 30%. And then the rest is a mix. The Jewish group that is known to have a higher IQ are the Ashkenazi Jews and they are not the dominant race in Israel.  

Correct that Ashkenazim are not the majority in Israel, but they have become more and more mixed.

[freedomnow]

Seriously - I think they do, really...they seem sharp as a knife in person.

 

 

Half-joking - I think they might be the off-worlders/aliens among us.

[SoCal1990]

13 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

As said Jews are not ONE ethnic group. But include a few that are definitely Jewish ethnic groups. As far as genetics most Jews in those  Jewish ethnic groups other than recent converts will have genetic ties to the Middle east, including Palestinian Arabs and Italians.

If you go to Colombia you will find many Catholics who were originally exiled Jews who were forced to convert with identifiable genetics to Sephardim.

 

Types of Jews | My Jewish Learning

You might find this interesting:

 

The ancestors of Ashkenazi Jewish people migrated from Western Asia into Southern Europe around 2,000 years ago. Then — in the Middle Ages — many Jewish people living in southern Europe moved north, primarily to northeastern France and western Germany near the Rhine River. It was there that a distinct religious, cultural, and genetic Jewish identity formed, and the people came to be called “Ashkenazi” after Ashkenaz, a descendant of Noah in the Hebrew bible.

 

While the geographic origins of the Ashkenazi Jewish population lie in Central and Eastern Europe, the DNA of Ashkenazi Jewish people is more similar to historical Southern European and Western Asian populations, reflecting early stages of the Jewish diaspora. However, there is evidence of limited Central and Eastern European ancestry introduced more recently into the Ashkenazi gene pool. Written in the DNA of Ashkenazi Jewish people is evidence of a significant population bottleneck in Europe over 600 years ago, followed by a rapid population expansion. A “bottleneck” occurs whenever there is a decrease in the size of a population (in this case, a result of persecution and expulsion), and some researchers estimate that most Ashkenazi Jewish people descend from a few hundred (only 300 perhaps) “founding” individuals who lived in Central Europe around 30 generations ago.

 

Although not made-up from a country or region, the Ashkenazi Jews are given their own reference population group in the field of DNA testing and Ancestry Composition because Ashkenazi Jews are so genetically distinct.

[bendejo]

8 minutes ago, freedomnow said:

Seriously - I think they do, really...they seem sharp as a knife in person.

 

This statement seems to be more about the observer than the observed. 🙃

 

 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, SoCal1990 said:

You might find this interesting:

 

The ancestors of Ashkenazi Jewish people migrated from Western Asia into Southern Europe around 2,000 years ago. Then — in the Middle Ages — many Jewish people living in southern Europe moved north, primarily to northeastern France and western Germany near the Rhine River. It was there that a distinct religious, cultural, and genetic Jewish identity formed, and the people came to be called “Ashkenazi” after Ashkenaz, a descendant of Noah in the Hebrew bible.

 

While the geographic origins of the Ashkenazi Jewish population lie in Central and Eastern Europe, the DNA of Ashkenazi Jewish people is more similar to historical Southern European and Western Asian populations, reflecting early stages of the Jewish diaspora. However, there is evidence of limited Central and Eastern European ancestry introduced more recently into the Ashkenazi gene pool. Written in the DNA of Ashkenazi Jewish people is evidence of a significant population bottleneck in Europe over 600 years ago, followed by a rapid population expansion. A “bottleneck” occurs whenever there is a decrease in the size of a population (in this case, a result of persecution and expulsion), and some researchers estimate that most Ashkenazi Jewish people descend from a few hundred (only 300 perhaps) “founding” individuals who lived in Central Europe around 30 generations ago.

 

Although not made-up from a country or region, the Ashkenazi Jews are given their own reference population group in the field of DNA testing and Ancestry Composition because Ashkenazi Jews are so genetically distinct.

Yes the small founding numbers has a lot of current credibility but originally the origin is from the diaspora from ancient Israel. 

 

I don't know if this has advanced over the years, but I have heard it's often a waste of money to do one of those genetic testing things if you know you're Ashkenazim, because most likely they'll just tell you what you already know, that you're Ashkenazism without a long list in fun other details that most people get.

[SoCal1990]

39 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes the small founding numbers has a lot of current credibility but originally the origin is from the diaspora from ancient Israel. 

 

I don't know if this has advanced over the years, but I have heard it's often a waste of money to do one of those genetic testing things if you know you're Ashkenazim, because most likely they'll just tell you what you already know, that you're Ashkenazism without a long list in fun other details that most people get.

That depends if there was a break within the Ashkenazism bloodline or not. Thus, a DNA test might show you are a minority percentage of Northern European, if there was perhaps ever any infidelity going on. It's seems pretty unlikely, but still possible. If it did occur though then it probably would have been within the last 3-4 generations. Least likely 15-20 generations back because they lived more as an isolated tribe back then. You can try https://www.23andme.com/

[BruceWayne]

14 minutes ago, SoCal1990 said:

You can try https://www.23andme.com/

 

NOT if you live in Israel:

https://www.jpost.com/israel-news/want-to-fully-understand-your-family-genealogy-not-without-a-court-order-585230

 

i.e They're trying to suppress the obvious truth:

'Jew' is a meaningless term

 

Most have zero connection with the middle east and are atheist AF

 

 

 

 

[Lacessit]

3 hours ago, driver52 said:

didn't Obama get the Nobel Peace Prize after being in office for circa 8 months.....then the US went on to bomb exactly how many countries??

Draw your own conclusion about 'prizes' 

Your own IQ can't be all that high if you don't know the difference between physics, chemistry and the 'humanitarian ' sections.

 

Let me know when a politician gets one in physics. I won't hold my breath.

[simon43]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I'm going to go deeper into this and will likely offend. Oh well. It's for a purpose which I will explain.

 

This very topic just for what it is open invitation to racism and bigotry against Jews.

 

How can that be when the premise is high IQ, not low IQ

See how the OP continues predictably bringing up age old antisemtiic tropes about Jews and money, controlling the banks, and so on. 

 

So not so positive after all.

 

Compare to this idea for a topic:

 

Do black people have low IQ?

 

Then an OP saying, but heck they're great athletes and they sure have rythym when they dance.

 

In my view, such an obviously disgusting RACIST topic about blacks which I bring up hypothetically is exactly of the same category as this topic about Jews.

 

Nobody should start such a topic about blacks, and nobody should have started this topic about Jews.

 

 

 

 

On the contrary, (IMHO) this is not a racist topic, BUT is an easy way in for racists to post their views.....  Unfortunately, (like many AN threads), the thread starts off with good intentions, but then is rapidly derailed by trolls, bigots etc 😞

[Ben Zioner]

Always thought that was obvious.

 

"Jews make up 0.2% of the worlds' population, yet they have won over 20% of the Nobel prizes - 204 in total out of around 900 awarded since the first Laureates at the start of the 20th century. "

 

 

 

 

[Jingthing]

19 minutes ago, simon43 said:

On the contrary, (IMHO) this is not a racist topic, BUT is an easy way in for racists to post their views.....  Unfortunately, (like many AN threads), the thread starts off with good intentions, but then is rapidly derailed by trolls, bigots etc 😞

Good intentions, huh?

Like spreading antisemitic tropes about control of banking?

You're easily snookered.

[jippytum]

 The Jewish IQ is higher than the Muslim terrorist IQ and for that we should be thankful. 

[1FinickyOne]

5 hours ago, BruceWayne said:

not sure what they have to "work hard at"?

 

the trauma of being raised by a Jewish mother... 

[Patong2021]

6 hours ago, driver52 said:

which bunch of geezers created the Federal Reserve? 

 

You really want to promote your blood libel don't you? Is your motive  real hatred, or are you just trolling or are you really this ignorant?

 

The United States Congress of 1913 established the Federal Reserve Bank system. I think one would be hard pressed to find more than a handful of jewish faith members of that period. The Federal Reserve Bank was created to respond to mass panic in 1907 which lead to a  run on financial institutions.  The first incident occurred on October 16, 1907, when two minor speculators, F. Augustus Heinze and Charles W. Morse, suffered huge losses in a failed attempt to corner the stock of United Copper, a copper mining company traded on the curb. They had secured  funding from small local Trust companies, primarily the Knickerbocker Trust, who's president was, Charles T. Barney, an associate of Mr. Morse. None of these people was Jewish.

 

Once the relationship of Knickerbocker was publicized, there was a run on Knickerbocker Trust.  The National Bank of Commerce extended credit to Knickerbocker Trust to cover the depositor withdrawals. This bank then requested a loan from the New York Clearing House on the behalf of Knickerbocker Trust. The Clearing House denied the request because its resources were reserved for the support of its member institutions. Knickerbocker and most other trust companies in New York were not members. After this denial, a request for aid was made to J.P. Morgan.

He asked Benjamin Strong, then a vice president at Banker’s Trust and later the first head of the Federal Reserve Bank of New York, to examine Knickerbocker’s books and determine its financial condition.  Strong could make no definitive determination of Knickerbocker’s solvency.  Morgan therefore refused to aid the trust.  Also on October 21, Knickerbocker’s Board of Directors dismissed Barney on the basis of his personal connections to Morse. The National Bank of Commerce then announced that it would no longer act as Knickerbocker’s clearing agent. Following these announcements, the run on Knickerbocker intensified. The next day, after depositors had withdrawn nearly $8 million, it suspended operations.

The suspension of Knickerbocker Trust sparked the full-scale financial crisis in New York City. The runs on deposits spread among the trusts and were most intense at the Trust Company of America. Morgan changed his mind and quickly released aid, as did the New York Clearing House banks. However, depositors continued to withdraw funds from Trust Company of America for two more weeks.

An upward spike in the call money interest rate — the rate of interest on overnight loans on stock collateral offered at the New York Stock Exchange — was among the first signals of distress and tightening credit. On the day Knickerbocker closed, October 22, the annualized rate jumped from 9.5 percent to 70 percent, then to 100 percent two days later. At times, there were no credit offers at that rate. The New York Stock Exchange remained open largely because of the legendary actions of Morgan, who solicited cash from large financial and industrial institutions and then had it delivered directly to the loan post at the exchange to support brokers who were willing to extend credit.

After an unusual delay of five days, the New York Clearing House Committee met on Saturday, October 26, and formed a panel to facilitate the issuance of clearing-house loan certificates. These were the predecessor to discount window loans from the Federal Reserve System and provided a temporary increase in liquidity. On the same day, the New York Clearing House banks — those institutions central to the payment system — chose to restrict the convertibility of deposits into cash.This action severed the par exchange rate between deposits and cash, thereby leading to a cash premium and a substantial influx of gold imports from abroad. Those gold imports appear to have been instrumental in spurring the recovery of the New York City financial market.

 

No jews were involved or otherwise implicated.