True Extent of Migrant Crossings Under Vice President Harris Exposed

[WDSmart]

26 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 

Exactly. She supports the same open border policies the Biden-Harris Admin started. 

 

 

The USA does not have an "open border" anywhere. Those with valid visas or those from countries who need no visa may come in whenever they want. Otherwise, our borders are only open to the extent that those fleeing oppression may come in and apply for refugee status. They will then be granted a hearing and their claims adjudicated. If they are successful, they are granted an asylum visa. If they are not, they are deported. 

And BIden/Harris did not start this policy. It has been in existence in some for or other since 1948. 

[mogandave]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

The USA does not have an "open border" anywhere. Those with valid visas or those from countries who need no visa may come in whenever they want. Otherwise, our borders are only open to the extent that those fleeing oppression may come in and apply for refugee status. They will then be granted a hearing and their claims adjudicated. If they are successful, they are granted an asylum visa. If they are not, they are deported. 

And BIden/Harris did not start this policy. It has been in existence in some for or other since 1948. 

Actually, the US has thousands of miles of open borders. 

 

Open border policies, refers to policies designed to allow millions of illegal aliens a year to flood into the country. 

 

Like socialism, open border policies are something that you like, that I do not like. 

 

You are welcome to vote for what you want, I’ll vote against it. 
 

 

[fredwiggy]

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

Actually, the US has thousands of miles of open borders. 

 

Open border policies, refers to policies designed to allow millions of illegal aliens a year to flood into the country. 

 

Like socialism, open border policies are something that you like, that I do not like. 

 

You are welcome to vote for what you want, I’ll vote against it. 
 

 

I'm sure, like myself, he meant open borders as in policies. The US does not allow anyone in besides what he and I mentioned. Open borders themselves is how thousands get in every year, and there is no way to stop all of them, as no wall can't  be gotten past, under or around. Again, if those hiring them would be punished, it would curtail the amount coming in. No jobs, no reason to come in besides working illegally in homes. I fully understand people wanting to work in the US, but do it legally. Many jobs they take Americans won't do, which is also absurd because some are unemployed and could use any work.

[WDSmart]

3 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Actually, the US has thousands of miles of open borders. 

 

Open border policies, refers to policies designed to allow millions of illegal aliens a year to flood into the country. 

 

Like socialism, open border policies are something that you like, that I do not like. 

 

You are welcome to vote for what you want, I’ll vote against it. 
 

 

If you define "open borders" as borders that have no fence or authorities posted there stopping everyone trying to cross, then yes, the USA does have thousands of miles of "open borders." So does every other country I know of, especially those whose have seaside borders. 

What you call "open border policies" are not the same as "open borders." The USA has no border policies which allow illegal aliens to flood into the country. They do have border policies that require everyone to register at an immigration office as soon as they can after they enter the country. 

I do like socialism. I also like open borders, but there is no such thing as the "open border policies" you've described above, which allow illegal aliens to flood into our country. If we did, I would not like them either. You, again, are conflating "policies" with "activities." It would be like saying we have an open bank-robbing policy because some banks are robbed each year.

I am not only welcome to vote; I have already, and the receipt of my faxed-in vote has been acknowledged and verified. Of course, my vote, since it's for Harris and is in California, doesn't really matter a whole lot, but at least I can say I voted.

And, I can truthfully say I did not specifically vote FOR Harris; I voted AGAINST Trump.

 

 

 

[impulse]

26 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

They will then be granted a hearing and their claims adjudicated. If they are successful, they are granted an asylum visa. If they are not, they are deported. 

 

In 2024, the average waiting time for an asylum hearing is 3.9 years.

 

The average waiting period for an immigration asylum hearing is 3.9 years, according to Syracuse University’s Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, which tracks enforcement of federal immigration laws.

 

With Eric Adams of NYC estimating the cost to provide services to their "newcomers" at $36,000 a year, that's about $140,000 of tax money to provide services while each one waits (3.9 x $36K).  Multiply that by 10 million, and you're talking real money.  With the US already $35 trillion in debt.  We can't afford unvetted immigration.

 

https://gigafact.org/fact-briefs/is-the-waiting-period-for-an-immigration-asylum-hearing-six-to-eight-years

Edited November 2 by impulse

[mogandave]

3 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

If you define "open borders" as borders that have no fence or authorities posted there stopping everyone trying to cross, then yes, the USA does have thousands of miles of "open borders." So does every other country I know of, especially those whose have seaside borders. 

What you call "open border policies" are not the same as "open borders." The USA has no border policies which allow illegal aliens to flood into the country. They do have border policies that require everyone to register at an immigration office as soon as they can after they enter the country. 

I do like socialism. I also like open borders, but there is no such thing as the "open border policies" you've described above, which allow illegal aliens to flood into our country. If we did, I would not like them either. You, again, are conflating "policies" with "activities." It would be like saying we have an open bank-robbing policy because some banks are robbed each year.

I am not only welcome to vote; I have already, and the receipt of my faxed-in vote has been acknowledged and verified. Of course, my vote, since it's for Harris and is in California, doesn't really matter a whole lot, but at least I can say I voted.

And, I can truthfully say I did not specifically vote FOR Harris; I voted AGAINST Trump.

 

 

 

That’s what it comes down to olin the end. You support open borders. 

[mogandave]

3 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

In 2024, the average waiting time for an asylum hearing is 3.9 years.

 

The average waiting period for an immigration asylum hearing is 3.9 years, according to Syracuse University’s Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, which tracks enforcement of federal immigration laws.

 

With Eric Adams of NYC estimating the cost to provide services to their "newcomers" at $36,000 a year, that's about $140,000 of tax money to provide services while each one waits (3.9 x $36K).  Multiply that by 10 million, and you're talking real money.  With the US already $35 trillion in debt.  We can't afford unvetted immigration.

 

https://gigafact.org/fact-briefs/is-the-waiting-period-for-an-immigration-asylum-hearing-six-to-eight-years

They don’t care. That’s ten million more people on the public teat that will eventually be citizens and vote left. 

[WDSmart]

24 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

In 2024, the average waiting time for an asylum hearing is 3.9 years.

 

The average waiting period for an immigration asylum hearing is 3.9 years, according to Syracuse University’s Transactional Records Access Clearinghouse, which tracks enforcement of federal immigration laws.

 

With Eric Adams of NYC estimating the cost to provide services to their "newcomers" at $36,000 a year, that's about $140,000 of tax money to provide services while each one waits (3.9 x $36K).  Multiply that by 10 million, and you're talking real money.  With the US already $35 trillion in debt.  We can't afford unvetted immigration.

 

https://gigafact.org/fact-briefs/is-the-waiting-period-for-an-immigration-asylum-hearing-six-to-eight-years

So, these are the tactics used to enforce the adjudication of asylum applicants, not the strategy for treating them. And I agree, these need to be tightened up and moved forward much faster for both the benefit of the US taxpayer and the asylum applicant. These are the types of things that Harris has spoken about when she says our system is now "broken" and needs to be fixed. I'm sure she'll try to do that if elected, and I am sure Trump will expel all of them without hearings if he is elected.

We don't, even now, have unvetted immigration. But the vetting process, as described above, needs to be revised and speeded up. Harris has promised to try to do that, but she needs the Republicans in Congress to help her do that. If Trump is elected, we will indeed have unvetted immigration, better called "unvetted deportation." 

[GammaGlobulin]

Speaking of runaway immigration policies....

 

I have been astounded at seeing what is happening in the UK, as well.

 

Some British cities are already resembling a bazaar in Calcutta...

  

Oh, the irony of it all.

The British Empire was once tops at colonizing other countries, and now England is being colonized itself at even a more rapid rate.

 

And EVEN MORE ironical is the fact that the UK Gov is actually paying for it.

 

The question is:  Is this a planned strategy, over the past 20 years, to import labor?

 

For sure, the USA and the UK will benefit from increased population, as their white population continues to dwindle.  Significant immigration is indispensable.  

 

The only question is how it's done.

 

Personally, I would like to just rely on the importation of ONLY the Chinese to both America and the UK.

 

I prefer the Chinese culture to all others, and especially find it superior to the Calcuttan Culture you see here.

 

As it is, at least for me, I think there is really no need to visit the UK, especially when India and Pakistan are so much closer to Thailand.  Kaek Food Culture is fine with me, though.

 

Soon, we can refer to Great Britain as Little India, and be accurate.

 

 

 

Edited November 2 by GammaGlobulin

[WDSmart]

35 minutes ago, mogandave said:

That’s what it comes down to olin the end. You support open borders. 

I would love to support open borders, but in fact, have no borders - just one world. But I don't think we're ready for that yet; we're not even close to ready. We won't be ready until we consider all mankind one and enact a true socialistic, and eventually a communistic, economy. 

[mogandave]

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

I would love to support open borders, but in fact, have no borders - just one world. But I don't think we're ready for that yet; we're not even close to ready. We won't be ready until we consider all mankind one and enact a true socialistic, and eventually a communistic, economy. 

And Harris is a step in that direction, that’s why you support her, and I support Trump. 

 

[WDSmart]

26 minutes ago, mogandave said:

30 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I would love to support open borders, but in fact, have no borders - just one world. But I don't think we're ready for that yet; we're not even close to ready. We won't be ready until we consider all mankind one and enact a true socialistic, and eventually a communistic, economy. 

And Harris is a step in that direction, that’s why you support her, and I support Trump. 

 

Yes, that is one of the reasons I support Harris and the Democrats, although they are nowhere near doing that yet. I see that as like living in an open neighborhood.

Why would you support someone who is for closed borders? I see that as being like living in a locked house on private property.  

[GammaGlobulin]

8 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, that is one of the reasons I support Harris and the Democrats, although they are nowhere near doing that yet. I see that as like living in an open neighborhood.

Why would you support someone who is for closed borders? I see that as being like living in a locked house on private property.  

 

You are so naive.

Do you REALLY expect the Japanese Gov to go along with your plan for open borders and a communist economy.

 

Communism is idiocy, by the way, since it is completely at odds with human nature.

 

Maybe your plan will work after humans are wiped out by AI, next year.

 

Welcome to your Animal Farm?

Only the pigs will enjoy themselves.

 

 

 

 

[mogandave]

9 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes, that is one of the reasons I support Harris and the Democrats, although they are nowhere near doing that yet. I see that as like living in an open neighborhood.

I see it the same way. 

9 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Why would you support someone who is for closed borders?

I am not for closed borders, I am for controlled borders, that’s why I support Trump. 

 

Right now the border is closed to English speaking Indian engineers, and open for non-skilled people that are often illiterate in their native language, much less English. 

9 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I see that as being like living in a locked house on private property.  

And of course you do not believe in private property, correct? 

 

The further left the country shifts, the more things have to be locked up. 

[WDSmart]

2 minutes ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

You are so naive.

Do you REALLY expect the Japanese Gov to go along with your plan for open borders and a communist economy.

 

Communism is idiocy, by the way, since it is completely at odds with human nature.

 

Maybe your plan will work after humans are wiped out by AI, next year.

 

Welcome to your Animal Farm?

Only the pigs will enjoy themselves.

 

 

 

 

I agree with you that communism is at odds with human nature. Capitalism is compatible with human nature, but of course, human nature is what is destroying our planet. So, we (humans) can either try to change or at least ameliorate our nature or go with it and destroy not only our planet but probably others before we go extinct.

I know I can't change human nature, but I can conduct myself with a little less selfishness.

I've always said the difference between lefties and righties is the first letter in a two-letter word. For righties it is "me" and for lefties, it is "we."

This upcoming election will shed some light on just how divided we (USA) are. I hope there are still enough "we's" to keep going and trying to change things, but if it's predominately "me's," our demise will come very, very soon. 
 

[WDSmart]

4 minutes ago, mogandave said:

I see it the same way. 

I am not for closed borders, I am for controlled borders, that’s why I support Trump. 

 

Right now the border is closed to English speaking Indian engineers, and open for non-skilled people that are often illiterate in their native language, much less English. 

And of course you do not believe in private property, correct? 

 

The further left the country shifts, the more things have to be locked up. 

I "believe" in private property because that is what we (USA) have now, but I'd rather there be none. Socialism allows private use of state property, like you and your family living in an assigned apartment. In communism, however, there is no private property. Everything belongs to everyone equally. 

[GammaGlobulin]

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

I agree with you that communism is at odds with human nature. Capitalism is compatible with human nature, but of course, human nature is what is destroying our planet. So, we (humans) can either try to change or at least ameliorate our nature or go with it and destroy not only our planet but probably others before we go extinct.

I know I can't change human nature, but I can conduct myself with a little less selfishness.

I've always said the difference between lefties and righties is the first letter in a two-letter word. For righties it is "me" and for lefties, it is "we."

This upcoming election will shed some light on just how divided we (USA) are. I hope there are still enough "we's" to keep going and trying to change things, but if it's predominately "me's," our demise will come very, very soon. 
 

 

What you do is meaningless.

What you think is also meaningless.

 

Me and We distinction is nonsense.

 

This all sounds like.....

The Summer of 69....Me, We, Trees, Tree Hugging, Love not War...etc.

 

You are not a FlowerChild...are you?

 

You need to wake up, take a closer look at Reality, and then get out there and VOTE FOR TRUMP !!!!

 

The most important strategy for you to GET A GRIP ON REALITY would be for you to just....

 

FOLLOW THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD...and....

 

FING TEST your hypotheses, to learn if they are valid, or invalid.

 

Everyone should be doing this, in fact.

 

 

[mogandave]

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

I agree with you that communism is at odds with human nature. Capitalism is compatible with human nature, but of course, human nature is what is destroying our planet. So, we (humans) can either try to change or at least ameliorate our nature or go with it and destroy not only our planet but probably others before we go extinct.

I know I can't change human nature, but I can conduct myself with a little less selfishness.

I've always said the difference between lefties and righties is the first letter in a two-letter word. For righties it is "me" and for lefties, it is "we."

This upcoming election will shed some light on just how divided we (USA) are. I hope there are still enough "we's" to keep going and trying to change things, but if it's predominately "me's," our demise will come very, very soon. 
 

Yeah, the old “me and we” foolishness. 

 

It always comes down to compelling others to do things against their will. 

 

We had communism/tribalism for millennia. 

[mogandave]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

I "believe" in private property because that is what we (USA) have now, but I'd rather there be none. Socialism allows private use of state property, like you and your family living in an assigned apartment. In communism, however, there is no private property. Everything belongs to everyone equally. 

So under communism, the individual has no rights.

 

Anyone can stay in anyone’s home, and bang anyone’s woman, and children belong to everyone, and no one has to work. 

[pattayasan]

Just now, mogandave said:

So under communism, the individual has no rights.

 

Anyone can stay in anyone’s home, and bang anyone’s woman, and children belong to everyone, and no one has to work. 

 

A sure takeaway from somebody using "communist" as invective, they have no clue what it is.

[mogandave]

Just now, pattayasan said:

 

A sure takeaway from somebody using "communist" as invective, they have no clue what it is.

Why don’t yiu explain it? 

 

Dude said everyone owns everything equally. Is that true or not?

[WDSmart]

1 minute ago, GammaGlobulin said:

 

What you do is meaningless.

What you think is also meaningless.

 

Me and We distinction is nonsense.

 

This all sounds like.....

The Summer of 69....Me, We, Trees, Tree Hugging, Love not War...etc.

 

You are not a FlowerChild...are you?

 

You need to wake up, take a closer look at Reality, and then get out there and VOTE FOR TRUMP !!!!

 

The most important strategy for you to GET A GRIP ON REALITY would be for you to just....

 

FOLLOW THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD...and....

 

FING TEST your hypotheses, to learn if they are valid, or invalid.

 

Everyone should be doing this, in fact.

 

 

What I do and think may be meaningless to you, but not to me.

My "Me" and "We" distinction is the very foundation of right-wing/left-wing thinking.

Yes, it is somewhat like the summer of 69. That's when I was 23.

And yes, I was a "Flower Child."

I've taken a long look at reality over my 78 years, and I've already voted against Trump and for Harris.

I have a good grip on reality, but I don't like it very much.

I define science as just another religion that worships the human intellect.

I had to look up "FING TEST." How would I do one, and what would I do one on?



 

[WDSmart]

14 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Yeah, the old “me and we” foolishness. 

 

It always comes down to compelling others to do things against their will. 

 

We had communism/tribalism for millennia. 

Yes,it's all about the emphasis on "me" and "we."

Socialism is not about compelling others to do things against their will. Socialism is about allowing others to do what they want without forfeiting the fulfillment of their needs.

And is worked well, didn't it?

 

Edited November 2 by WDSmart

[mogandave]

4 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

What I do and think may be meaningless to you, but not to me.

My "Me" and "We" distinction is the very foundation of right-wing/left-wing thinking.

Yes, it is somewhat like the summer of 69. That's when I was 23.

And yes, I was a "Flower Child."

I've taken a long look at reality over my 78 years, and I've already voted against Trump and for Harris.

I have a good grip on reality, but I don't like it very much.

I define science as just another religion that worships the human intellect.

I had to look up "FING TEST." How would I do one, and what would I do one on?



 

It always comes down to the individual being compelled by the authority 

[mogandave]

2 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Yes,it's all about the emphasis on "me" and "we."

Socialism is not about compelling others to do things against their will. Socialism is about allowing others to do what they want without forfeiting the fulfillment of their needs.

And is worked well, didn't it?

 

Where did it work well? 

 

 

[WDSmart]

10 minutes ago, mogandave said:

So under communism, the individual has no rights.

 

Anyone can stay in anyone’s home, and bang anyone’s woman, and children belong to everyone, and no one has to work. 

Not exactly... Under communism, everyone has the same rights. Anyone can stay wherever they want. Women don't belong to any one man (like in our society). They are free to "bang" whomever they want. Children are raised in collectives. No one HAS to work, but everyone can work at whatever they want.

[WDSmart]

2 minutes ago, mogandave said:

It always comes down to the individual being compelled by the authority 

Ah, ha! We haven't talked about "the authority" (the government) yet. We've only been talking about the economy, If you want to talk about the different types of governments and how they would work with the different types of economies, I'll do that with you,

[mogandave]

Just now, WDSmart said:

Not exactly... Under communism, everyone has the same rights. Anyone can stay wherever they want. Women don't belong to any one man (like in our society). They are free to "bang" whomever they want. Children are raised in collectives. No one HAS to work, but everyone can work at whatever they want.

Again, where has this worked?

[mogandave]

Just now, WDSmart said:

Ah, ha! We haven't talked about "the authority" (the government) yet. We've only been talking about the economy, If you want to talk about the different types of governments and how they would work with the different types of economies, I'll do that with you,

No government, of course. 

[WDSmart]

Just now, mogandave said:

Again, where has this worked?

I don't have any specific examples to share with you. And although I'm an atheist, communism is exactly what the myths of Jesus's disciples had in the Bible.I see communism as more of a goal, and see socialism as probably as close as we (humans) could get.

But to answer your question, from what I know of the communities of the American Indian, I'd think their tribes were socialistic and very close to communism.