Social Media Posted November 1, 2024 Posted November 1, 2024 In a blistering critique of the Labour government’s first hundred days, former Conservative MP Ben Wallace argues that Prime Minister Keir Starmer and his team have already begun to diverge from their campaign promises, creating a divisive, two-tier society that favors the public sector over the private. Instead of unity, Labour has reportedly fostered an atmosphere of division and uncertainty across the United Kingdom, undermining the very promises on which it was elected. According to Wallace, Labour's actions reveal its true priorities, which are not in line with the needs of the many, but rather tailored to benefit a select few. One of the central criticisms Wallace raises is Labour’s handling of tax promises. During the campaign, Labour assured voters it would not raise taxes on “working people.” However, Wallace contends that what Labour really meant was that it would avoid tax increases only on public sector employees. In practice, he argues, those who rely on taxpayer money for salaries and benefits enjoy increased protections and “record pay rises,” all financed by taxpayers in the private sector. Wallace argues that Labour is driving a wedge between those who spend taxpayer money—mainly in the public sector—and those who generate it in the private sector, including small business owners, farmers, and self-employed individuals. The disparities Wallace outlines are significant, particularly in terms of pension contributions. He points out that while the average public sector worker benefits from an employer pension contribution of approximately 24 to 30 percent, along with guaranteed job security, private sector workers receive only 4 to 8 percent in employer contributions with far less security. Wallace also highlights the burden of the national debt—over £1.5 trillion—and the public sector pension liability of more than £2.5 trillion, questioning why Labour has focused so heavily on wages without addressing the “overall package” of benefits public sector workers receive. This approach, he believes, shifts the financial burden onto those in the private sector, who often lack similar job protections or retirement benefits. Wallace also raises concerns about Labour’s transparency and integrity, emphasizing that “there isn’t a week that goes by without another election pledge being exposed as false.” He accuses Starmer and his team of hypocrisy, citing specific examples, including Chancellor Rachel Reeves’ campaign commitment not to raise national insurance and her “iron-clad” pledge to maintain fiscal discipline. He criticizes Labour’s habit of blaming unfulfilled promises on the argument that “things were worse than we thought,” suggesting this refrain is added to every government statement to obscure Labour’s failure to act on its election promises. According to Wallace, Labour’s campaign language was strategically “slippery and nebulous,” particularly in references to “working people” in its manifesto. He questions whether Labour, during its 14 years in opposition, was too occupied with political theater to prepare for governance, noting the frequency with which election pledges are exposed as misleading or outright false. He also accuses the government of leveraging envy and divisiveness, alienating private sector workers and citizens outside the public sector. Reflecting on his own experiences in office, Wallace underscores the importance of cross-party cooperation, something he says he was criticized for, yet firmly believes is essential for effective governance. While he once admired former Labour Prime Minister Tony Blair’s “live and let live” philosophy, he laments that Starmer’s Labour seems to lack this unifying approach. Instead, Wallace accuses Labour of a politics driven by “envy and division,” governing in a way that favors a select few at the expense of the many. For Wallace, Labour’s policies represent a betrayal of the unity it promised, revealing a government that, in his view, does not truly serve the majority. Based on a report by Daily Telegraph 2024-11-02
Popular Post jippytum Posted November 2, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 2, 2024 Sosiety is not divided on condeming the sleaze and broken promises by Starmer so soon after the election. On that that topic the country is united. 1 1 2
Red Forever Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 30 minutes ago, jippytum said: Sosiety is not divided on condeming the sleaze and broken promises by Starmer so soon after the election. On that that topic the country is united. I define sleaze as handing out multi billion £ contracts to donors and cronies. Baroness Mone anyone? Feel free to give examples of Labour's sleaze in the first 100 days of their administration. N.B. Donations which are legally declared don't count as sleaze. More far right drivel from the Torygraph.
Popular Post herfiehandbag Posted November 2, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 2, 2024 6 minutes ago, Red Forever said: Donations which are legally declared don't count as sleaze Suits you sir. Did you see what I did there? 3
Popular Post john donson Posted November 2, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 2, 2024 public sector only costs money and red tape paid by the private sector, that pay a lot of taxes for the lazy and illegals 1 1 4
Popular Post James105 Posted November 2, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 2, 2024 5 hours ago, Social Media said: and the public sector pension liability of more than £2.5 trillion, questioning why Labour has focused so heavily on wages without addressing the “overall package” of benefits public sector workers receive This in a nutshell. Any public sector pay rises should be paid for by a reduction in pension benefits they receive. If they want parity with the private sector then give them parity with every aspect including the lack of job security that comes with poor performance. The public sector is far too large. At the height of the British empire Britain employed about 40,000 civil servants globally. This was before the internet, GPS, mobile phones, AI, computers and all the other productivity tools at our disposal today. The UK government (without needing to manage an empire and with all these tools) today employs about 546,000 people. If 500,000 of those people disappeared overnight would anyone even notice? 1 1 1 1 2 1 2
Popular Post Purdey Posted November 2, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 2, 2024 The fact that the Conservatives buggered up the whole country and were caught several time means nothing. 1 1 1 1
Popular Post FruitPudding Posted November 2, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 2, 2024 8 minutes ago, Purdey said: The fact that the Conservatives buggered up the whole country and were caught several time means nothing. Britain is screwed now that the Communists are in charge. Only Trump can save the West by leading with a good example. 1 1 2 2
Popular Post jippytum Posted November 2, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 2, 2024 3 hours ago, Red Forever said: I define sleaze as handing out multi billion £ contracts to donors and cronies. Baroness Mone anyone? Feel free to give examples of Labour's sleaze in the first 100 days of their administration. N.B. Donations which are legally declared don't count as sleaze. More far right drivel from the Torygraph. Sanctioning Taylor Swift a police escort in return for free concert tickets worth thousands. Starmer accepting free designer clothes for his wife from a suspect donor. Free gifts of VIP tickets to EpL Arsenal football matches. Not declared. Starmer looking for freebies and stuffing pensioners fuel allowance. Didn't see that in the manifesto 1 2 2 1 2
Chomper Higgot Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 4 hours ago, jippytum said: Sosiety is not divided on condeming the sleaze and broken promises by Starmer so soon after the election. On that that topic the country is united. The increase in school funding is obviously a good idea. 1
Chomper Higgot Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 2 hours ago, James105 said: This in a nutshell. Any public sector pay rises should be paid for by a reduction in pension benefits they receive. If they want parity with the private sector then give them parity with every aspect including the lack of job security that comes with poor performance. The public sector is far too large. At the height of the British empire Britain employed about 40,000 civil servants globally. This was before the internet, GPS, mobile phones, AI, computers and all the other productivity tools at our disposal today. The UK government (without needing to manage an empire and with all these tools) today employs about 546,000 people. If 500,000 of those people disappeared overnight would anyone even notice? Well that’s the death of any claim you have to be concerned for the welfare of ordinary working people. How about returning to the arrangements under which ordinary working people in the private sector also had access to first class workplace pensions? At the high of the British empire working class people in Britain were living in poverty, disease ridden slums, no access to health care, no opportunity to advance in life and with a life expectancy of under 50 years. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/articles/howhaslifeexpectancychangedovertime/2015-09-09 https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z83ggk7/revision/3#:~:text=Seebohm Rowntree conducted research in,below the 'poverty line'. 1 1
Popular Post James105 Posted November 2, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 2, 2024 24 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: Well that’s the death of any claim you have to be concerned for the welfare of ordinary working people. How about returning to the arrangements under which ordinary working people in the private sector also had access to first class workplace pensions? At the high of the British empire working class people in Britain were living in poverty, disease ridden slums, no access to health care, no opportunity to advance in life and with a life expectancy of under 50 years. https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/lifeexpectancies/articles/howhaslifeexpectancychangedovertime/2015-09-09 https://www.bbc.co.uk/bitesize/guides/z83ggk7/revision/3#:~:text=Seebohm Rowntree conducted research in,below the 'poverty line'. What? You are actually crediting the explosion of civil servants with the advancement of medicine and sanitation since the 19th century that led to longer life expectancy in the 20th century and beyond? How about trying to address the points being that the UK cannot afford the public sector pensions (£2.5 trillion) and public sector "workers" with their "broad shoulder" pensions should maybe have to shoulder some of the burden that the private sector already is if frittering away £11bn to africa for climate nonsense, £13bn to foreign aid, £8bn to illegal immigrants, £22bn to carbon capture and £3bn to Zelensky is considered essential expenditure for the taxpayers. Take a look at Labour (shock) for the devastating impact he had on private pensions. Another legacy of the Blair era: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-13041677/HAMISH-MCRAE-Time-fix-Gordon-Browns-pension-errors.html Stole £5bn from private pension funds in tax which is estimated to cost to the pension funds of an estimated £250bn over the last 20 years since that money wasn't reinvested back into the funds and makes no money today since the pension funds no longer hold British assets. 3
Chomper Higgot Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 1 hour ago, James105 said: What? You are actually crediting the explosion of civil servants with the advancement of medicine and sanitation since the 19th century that led to longer life expectancy in the 20th century and beyond? How about trying to address the points being that the UK cannot afford the public sector pensions (£2.5 trillion) and public sector "workers" with their "broad shoulder" pensions should maybe have to shoulder some of the burden that the private sector already is if frittering away £11bn to africa for climate nonsense, £13bn to foreign aid, £8bn to illegal immigrants, £22bn to carbon capture and £3bn to Zelensky is considered essential expenditure for the taxpayers. Take a look at Labour (shock) for the devastating impact he had on private pensions. Another legacy of the Blair era: https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money/comment/article-13041677/HAMISH-MCRAE-Time-fix-Gordon-Browns-pension-errors.html Stole £5bn from private pension funds in tax which is estimated to cost to the pension funds of an estimated £250bn over the last 20 years since that money wasn't reinvested back into the funds and makes no money today since the pension funds no longer hold British assets. Gordon Brown is not a member of the Starmer Government. 1
Popular Post Purdey Posted November 2, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 2, 2024 5 hours ago, FruitPudding said: Britain is screwed now that the Communists are in charge. Only Trump can save the West by leading with a good example. I have never voted Labour but I don't believe they are Communist. 😇 2 1
quake Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 40 minutes ago, Purdey said: I have never voted Labour but I don't believe they are Communist. 😇 What's wrong with this picture.
Chomper Higgot Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 43 minutes ago, quake said: What's wrong with this picture. It’s two pictures. Next. 2
quake Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 26 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said: It’s two pictures. Next. Ah, you got me there. But what's wrong with one of them, comrade. ?, 1
Chomper Higgot Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 9 minutes ago, quake said: Ah, you got me there. But what's wrong with one of them, comrade. ?, I don’t comment on photos or videos. Apart from format, angle view, perspective, framing, lighting, contrast, focus and any number of other image parameters (it gets even more complex with video) there’s the added problem of image manipulation and lately image fabrication. Much better to stick to ‘discussion’. So you tell us what you think is wrong with one of the pictures and we can discuss that. 1 1
quake Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: I don’t comment on photos or videos. Apart from format, angle view, perspective, framing, lighting, contrast, focus and any number of other image parameters (it gets even more complex with video) there’s the added problem of image manipulation and lately image fabrication. Much better to stick to ‘discussion’. Do you tell us what you think is wrong with one of the pictures and we can discuss that. Much better you shut your mouse. Go do your home work comrade. No cigar today, for you. 1 1 2
Popular Post BruceWayne Posted November 2, 2024 Popular Post Posted November 2, 2024 in order to implement the Great Reset, they first have to destroy the current order. In the 2nd picture Reeves appears under a picture of a founder member of the UK communist party. Subtle they aint! 1 hour ago, quake said: What's wrong with this picture. 3
BruceWayne Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 1 hour ago, quake said: What's wrong with this picture. Ex-Communist Hitchens explaining what Starmer (who edited a Trotsjkyite mag in his late 20's is all about. bet chomper is jerking and squirting now his sorts are in power. 1
Chomper Higgot Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 4 minutes ago, quake said: Much better you shut your mouse. Go do your home work comrade. No cigar today, for you. I’ve often observed the inability of some to express themselves, relying as they do on ripped images and memes. It begs the question, why join a discussion forum if you are unable to discuss?! 1 1 1
Chomper Higgot Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 2 minutes ago, BruceWayne said: Ex-Communist Hitchens explaining what Starmer (who edited a Trotsjkyite mag in his late 20's is all about. bet chomper is jerking and squirting now his sorts are in power. That’s a rather vivid imagination you have, but please leave me out of your sordid fantasies. 1
Chomper Higgot Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 7 minutes ago, BruceWayne said: in order to implement the Great Reset, they first have to destroy the current order. In the 2nd picture Reeves appears under a picture of a founder member of the UK communist party. Subtle they aint! Also a junior minister in Churchill’s wartime coalition government. 2
quake Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said: I’ve often observed the inability of some to express themselves, relying as they do on ripped images and memes. It begs the question, why join a discussion forum if you are unable to discuss?! Oh dear. Did I touch a nerve. Sorry.
Chomper Higgot Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 Just now, quake said: Oh dear. Did I touch a nerve. Sorry. No, you just exposed your inability to engage in discussion. Care to share a link to the source of the ripped images your post? 1
quake Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 No go do your home work. Google works for most people. but some obviously have a problem with that. good day. comrade or is it AKA resident Asean now antagonist. 1
BruceWayne Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 1 minute ago, quake said: Oh dear. Did I touch a nerve. Sorry. Whenever I see a chomp post I think of citizen smith Chomper, did you ever have a job? And If so, what was it? 1
Chomper Higgot Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 Just now, BruceWayne said: Whenever I see a chomp post I think of citizen smith Chomper, did you ever have a job? And If so, what was it? Hey Bruce, I’m not the subject of this thread.
quake Posted November 2, 2024 Posted November 2, 2024 1 minute ago, BruceWayne said: Whenever I see a chomp post I think of citizen smith Chomper, did you ever have a job? And If so, what was it? The good old Tooting popular front Power to the people. 1
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