Lions and Tigers and Bears Oh My - How will Trump's Fascist Dictatorship Affect You?

connda · November 11

Lions and Tigers and Bears Oh My - How will Hitler Trump's Fascist Dictatorship Affect You?

Pour out the angst Lefties - Let's hear about exactly how your lives are now ruined for the next four years, and probably forever as this is no doubt the start of a 1000 year Fourth Reich, right?

The Cyclist · November 11

It will be so bad that the Guardian is offering its staff free councelling 😀😀

Quote

The Guardian is offering counselling to staff as it vowed to support its workforce after Donald Trump’s “upsetting” US election victory this week.

In an email to staff, The Guardian’s editor Katharine Viner said the election had “exposed alarming fault lines on many fronts” and urged journalists based in the UK to contact colleagues in the US “to offer your support”.

This would be funny, if it wasn't so tragic and a shocking state of affairs.

dinsdale · November 11

It's going to be terrible. Wars might finish, prices might go down, food might get healthier, science might go back to doing what science does, censorship of free speech might be eliminated, men might no longer be allowed to play in women's sports, EV mandates might disappear even before they started, ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's going to be horrible. The orange man dictator is going to make things so much worse. I'm glad I don't live in the US. Imagine no illegal immigrants flooding across the border, no vicious gangs, murderers and rapists coming in, no sanctuary cities, a reduction in crime. OMG. A pure apocalypse of tyranny in anyone's terms.

Edited November 11 by dinsdale

jerrymahoney · November 11

8 hours ago, dinsdale said:

It's going to be terrible. Wars might finish, prices might go down,

What Donald Trump’s Win Means For Inflation

November 11, 2024 3:08 PM EST Donald Trump may have won the presidency partly because voters were fed up with inflation. But if he enacts many of the policies he proposed on the campaign trail, voters may see prices continue to rise, according to economists, analysts, and business owners.

“There’s a lot of inflationary pressure in his promises,” says Simon Johnson, one of the 2024 winners of the Nobel Prize in Economics and a professor at MIT’s Sloan School of Business.

Put together, economists say his proposals could drive up the costs of apparel, toys, appliances, and food.

https://time.com/7175083/donald-trump-presidency-inflation/

Cryingdick · November 12

People in my area of the USA are reacting with smiles and a little more pep in their step. If you ask how it's going it is all smiles. The feeling is like a cloud has lifter or the plague is over. It is a decidedly optimistic feeling in the air.

fredwiggy · November 12

11 hours ago, dinsdale said:

It's going to be terrible. Wars might finish, prices might go down, food might get healthier, science might go back to doing what science does, censorship of free speech might be eliminated, men might no longer be allowed to play in women's sports, EV mandates might disappear even before they started, ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!! It's going to be horrible. The orange man dictator is going to make things so much worse. I'm glad I don't live in the US. Imagine no illegal immigrants flooding across the border, no vicious gangs, murderers and rapists coming in, no sanctuary cities, a reduction in crime. OMG. A pure apocalypse of tyranny in anyone's terms.

We can only hope you could say the same things a year or more from now. Time will tell if he, along with Congress, are going to do what they promised.

blaze master · November 12

2 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

What Donald Trump’s Win Means For Inflation

November 11, 2024 3:08 PM EST Donald Trump may have won the presidency partly because voters were fed up with inflation. But if he enacts many of the policies he proposed on the campaign trail, voters may see prices continue to rise, according to economists, analysts, and business owners.

“There’s a lot of inflationary pressure in his promises,” says Simon Johnson, one of the 2024 winners of the Nobel Prize in Economics and a professor at MIT’s Sloan School of Business.

Put together, economists say his proposals could drive up the costs of apparel, toys, appliances, and food.

https://time.com/7175083/donald-trump-presidency-inflation/

And how exactly does this relate to fascism ?

dinsdale · November 12

5 minutes ago, fredwiggy said:

We can only hope you could say the same things a year or more from now. Time will tell if he, along with Congress, are going to do what they promised.

Trump's already phoned Putin. The border will be shut down. Drilling will start. Prices will come down? Men will be banned from women's sports. Iran is or should be concerned that it's Trump now not Biden/Harris. Sanctuary cities will no longer exist. The EV mandate will be gone. I think most if not all of what Trump has promised to do will come to pass.

fredwiggy · November 12

Just now, dinsdale said:

Trump's already phoned Putin. The border will be shut down. Drilling will start. Prices will come down? Men will be banned from women's sports. Iran is or should be concerned that it's Trump now not Biden/Harris. Sanctuary cities will no longer exist. The EV mandate will be gone. I think most if not all of what Trump has promised to do will come to pass.

Trying to tell another narcissist what to do is futile unless they can gain from it. Borders will never be shut down as the rich will always hire illegals until they are punished for it, and migrants only come in legally to work. I doubt prices will come down anytime soon. Letting men compete in woman's sports might stop in the US but elsewhere? What we do to Iran is based on what they do to us or our allies, and I see it coming no matter who's in charge. Like I said, time will tell.

jerrymahoney · November 12

19 minutes ago, blaze master said:

And how exactly does this relate to fascism ?

Exactly? They are not exact. Inflation has 9 letters and fascism only 7.

blaze master · November 12

1 minute ago, jerrymahoney said:

Exactly? They are not exact. Inflation has 9 letters and fascism only 7.

Ok play dumb.

How does your useless information about inflation relate in any way to fascism.

Walker88 · November 12

The effect his 2nd term will have will vary according to the characteristics of individual people, both American and otherwise. In a nutshell, here's what I expect. Members of the cult are free to disagree, but in 1-2 years, I suspect even the cult will be disillusioned.

Ukrainians: His victory is bad for you. All US aid will be halted, NATO will begin to disintegrate, Putin will be given the green light to turn Ukraine into an abattoir, and Ukrainians will eventually be fighting as Einstein once said about WW IV..."with sticks and rocks".

Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians: You're next. NATO will collapse and Putin will rebuild the empire of his historical heroes, from the various Nicholases to Stalin and the dictators who followed.

Hispanics (and maybe Asians) in the US: I'm talking legal ones, maybe even 2nd and 3rd generations....his mass deportation scheme will be used to let the racist views of his goobers erupt in action. There will be a huge increase in what the law defines as 'hate crimes', as members of his cult will go after legal folks who look Hispanic. His deportation scheme and its focus on those of Hispanic descent will turn out to the greatest recruiting tool ever for MS-13. Recall there was a huge jump in attacks against Asians, when as 45, he began calling Covid the "Chinese Flu". History repeats, so Hispanics will be the new target. Asians might be tossed in as a bonus, since they ‘look different’.

Muslim Americans: Ironic that many voted for him when he will do for Netanyahu what he will do for Putin: Green Light whatever they want. Palestinians have had it tough enough under Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, and Hezbollah, but now they will suffer even greater at the hands of the IDF. Resentment will grow against anyone even remotely responsible for their suffering, so whole new generations of terrorists will be born.

Iranians: The US will ally with Israel to attack Iran. Mr "No War" is just another lie he foisted on his cult. Had he not abrogated the incredibly effective JCPOA, the leadership of the mullahs in Iran might already have ended. The JCPOA had taken Iran completely out of the nuke game, and the mullahs---not facing the possible wrath of Israel or other nations---would have had nothing to unite their own citizens, people increasingly ready for change and with a desire to join the community of nations for a better life and economic prosperity. The JCPOA could have been used as a stepping stone---as was its secondary intent---to get Iran to change even more of its behavior. Instead, with the abrogation of JCPOA, Iran started up its enrichment program, rebuilt smashed high-speed centrifuges, and gained the cooperation of folks willing to share the secrets of nuclear technology (e.g., Pakistan, China).

Americans: Americans will feel the effects of 47 in many ways....economically, in violence, and ideologically. 47 is incompetent. His business record is proof. He will bring that incompetence to the White House again, but this time he won't have people like Gary Cohn to get in his way. Tariffs are going to cause serious inflation. His other ideas---or are they still just 'concepts of a plan'?---will explode the deficit and lead to a funding crisis. Foreigners still fund a sizeable part of the US' yearly deficit, and it's likely many will turn elsewhere, leaving the US to try to fund itself. 47 might try to do the Fed's job re interest rates, but the market eventually decides what rates will be, either by jacking them up to Volcker Era levels, or by collapsing the USD. So we'll see inflation from tariffs and inflation from rates or USD moves. I'm sure 47 will try to blame Biden, or Pelosi or maybe even Hugo Chavez, but the carnage will be his fault alone.

Americans will also suffer from acts of terror. Lots of new terrorists are going to be created by what 47 allows his "allies" like Putin and Netanyahu to do. Not all of those terrorists are going to be Muslim. I suspect some will be Ukrainians, angry at what 47 allowed and encouraged. The US has been quite lucky since 2001 in that domestic acts of terror by Muslims have been minimal. In fact, even the FBI and Homeland Security under 45 noted more than 70% of all domestic terror incidents since 2001 were carried out by white supremacists and other far right groups.

Personally, I know a number of Muslim-driven terror attacks that were stopped because of good intelligence. That, too, is going to lessen, and that for two reasons. First is that the foreign intel services with whom US intel cooperates do not trust 47, so they will withhold intel, fearing exposure of their own 'sources and methods', just as 45's big mouth (in the Oval Office with FM Lavrov and Amb Kislyak) led to the outing and death of an Israeli penetration of ISIS. The stolen documents incident further discourages anyone---whether foreign liaison or potential clandestine assets---from risking exposure due to the reckless actions of 47. Finally, true patriots who work in US intel are going to leave, because they know enough about autocrats to see what 47 intends to be, and since serving under such an Administration goes against the oath we all took, they will leave. Like most organizations, US Intel operates under the Pareto Principle, where 80% of the work is done by 20% of the people. The good ones are going to leave, and the bad ones cannot do the job effectively. I know from experience it is not easy---but it is dangerous---to try to get close to terror organizations or even the inner circle of hostile nations such as Russia. The dregs left behind will be incapable of doing the job. The overall security of the US will be increasingly under threat, and the US is likely to experience another major terror attack. Terror groups are always aiming toward something bigger and 'greater', such as a dirty bomb or a bioterror weapon, and groups such as al Qaeda have spent years having their own best and brightest trained in the world's top universities. Also, Americans abroad will become targets of terror and retribution, and that might even be in Thailand, as Thailand remains an important base of Islamic terrorists. It did not end with the capture of Hambali, nor the slight change in the customer demographic of a certain (unnamed) Bangkok hotel.

Freedom and liberty inside the US is also going to be impacted by 47. He has stated on many occasions his intent to go after anyone and anything that upsets his fragile ego, even if no crime was committed. His comments about such things as 'military tribunal for Liz Cheney' to taking away the broadcast licenses of networks ABC and CBS are clear indications about what he really thinks of freedom, liberty and in particular the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. I'll remind again the words of Maya Angelou: "When a person shows you what they are, believe them".

Under 47 and an (R) govt, expect other freedoms to go by the wayside, such as a woman's right to control her own body. All of his cultists had better hope their wives or girlfriends or daughters do not get raped, because abortion will be outlawed---despite ballot measures in individual States last week---so the cult best get ready to offer 'love and support' to lots of zygotes that get carried to birth.

I believe we can also expect there to be some alteration of the 'separation of church and State', so that a fanatical form of Born Again Christianity becomes at least semi-official. Such (R) stalwarts as Lauren Boebert have said the US should be governed by the Christian Bible, not the US Constitution. Gee, why didn't Jefferson or Madison think of that?

Recall also that not only did 47 release a Chinese-printed autographed Christian Bible to grift off his goobers, he also had law enforcement violently break up a 1st Amendment-allowed peaceful protest in Lafayette Park just so he could do a photo op in front of a church holding a Bible upside down. Those actions show two intents: to lessen the separation of church and State plus change the 1st Amendment to put conditions on peaceful protest, such as 'don't get in the way of performance art'.

We also know that 47 intends to relax or eliminate posse comitatus laws and use the US Military domestically. 47 has also said he plans to allow a kind of day of reaping, where law enforcement will be given a free hand to ignore various Constitutional amendments or Miranda Rights "in order to get crime under control", despite the fact it fell considerably under Biden. That reeks of Duterte in the Philippines, and goes against everything the USA was intended to be. 47 additionally has said he plans to rid govt agencies of 'disloyal' people, meaning those loyal first and foremost to the US Constitution, rather than him. That smacks of autocracy.

I would put the odds of a breaking up of the 50 US States at maybe 20%. Neither the west coast nor the northeast has any good reason to remain part of the 50. Most of those States not only have strong economies, but they are also net contributors to the Federal Government. I can see an India-like post-WWII Partition (West and East Pakistan) where CA, OR, WA and HI secede, as well as NY, NJ, New England and western PA secede. Poor Illinois, stuck in the middle of mediocrity!

I believe some, maybe even all of these things happen under 47. Cult members are free to laugh, but let's come back and revisit this in two years to see who gets the last laugh. I planned for this possibility, and am using this transition period to try to immunize myself as much as possible from the carnage I believe will come. The stock market rally will allow me to liquidate assets (always fade the initial reaction to major news), and I've already secured a range of international properties to where I can bug out. I’ll also be legging out of the USD, as I expect it to collapse before 2028. Unlike some folks who threaten, I absolutely have no intention of being in the US during 47's term, which maybe never ends (and is just passed down to his surrogates).

I’ll end with a quote I like to read every once in a while, from H.L. Mencken in the 1920s:

“On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

Edited November 12 by Walker88

Walker88 · November 12

1 hour ago, dinsdale said:

Trump's already phoned Putin. The border will be shut down. Drilling will start. Prices will come down? Men will be banned from women's sports. Iran is or should be concerned that it's Trump now not Biden/Harris. Sanctuary cities will no longer exist. The EV mandate will be gone. I think most if not all of what Trump has promised to do will come to pass.

Perhaps you missed it, but the US under Biden produces more energy than it uses. Also, there are more than 9000 already approved leases that no one has decided to assume and begin drilling. Gas prices nationally average less than $3.

As for prices, you'd better hope he has more than a 'concept of a plan'. Inflation has been a worldwide phenomenon since the end of Covid. Biden got it to drop from 9% to 2.8% in the US, and that without causing a Recession. Economic growth in the US, since 2020, has been running 3 times the average of the other G7 nations, and US inflation is lower than other G7 nations.

jerrymahoney · November 12

1 hour ago, blaze master said:

Ok play dumb.

How does your useless information about inflation relate in any way to fascism.

It was a useless answer to your useless question

alex8912 · November 12

5 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

What Donald Trump’s Win Means For Inflation

November 11, 2024 3:08 PM EST Donald Trump may have won the presidency partly because voters were fed up with inflation. But if he enacts many of the policies he proposed on the campaign trail, voters may see prices continue to rise, according to economists, analysts, and business owners.

“There’s a lot of inflationary pressure in his promises,” says Simon Johnson, one of the 2024 winners of the Nobel Prize in Economics and a professor at MIT’s Sloan School of Business.

Put together, economists say his proposals could drive up the costs of apparel, toys, appliances, and food.

https://time.com/7175083/donald-trump-presidency-inflation/

Who cares what anyone from Harvard , MIT or anyone says from Massachusetts and that includes Pocahontas Liz! Even here almost 40% voted Trump. Wait just 6 short months and shut up!

TheAppletons · November 12

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

The effect his 2nd term will have will vary according to the characteristics of individual people, both American and otherwise. In a nutshell, here's what I expect. Members of the cult are free to disagree, but in 1-2 years, I suspect even the cult will be disillusioned.

Ukrainians: His victory is bad for you. All US aid will be halted, NATO will begin to disintegrate, Putin will be given the green light to turn Ukraine into an abattoir, and Ukrainians will eventually be fighting as Einstein once said about WW IV..."with sticks and rocks".

Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians: You're next. NATO will collapse and Putin will rebuild the empire of his historical heroes, from the various Nicholases to Stalin and the dictators who followed.

Hispanics (and maybe Asians) in the US: I'm talking legal ones, maybe even 2nd and 3rd generations....his mass deportation scheme will be used to let the racist views of his goobers erupt in action. There will be a huge increase in what the law defines as 'hate crimes', as members of his cult will go after legal folks who look Hispanic. His deportation scheme and its focus on those of Hispanic descent will turn out to the greatest recruiting tool ever for MS-13. Recall there was a huge jump in attacks against Asians, when as 45, he began calling Covid the "Chinese Flu". History repeats, so Hispanics will be the new target. Asians might be tossed in as a bonus, since they ‘look different’.

Muslim Americans: Ironic that many voted for him when he will do for Netanyahu what he will do for Putin: Green Light whatever they want. Palestinians have had it tough enough under Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, and Hezbollah, but now they will suffer even greater at the hands of the IDF. Resentment will grow against anyone even remotely responsible for their suffering, so whole new generations of terrorists will be born.

Iranians: The US will ally with Israel to attack Iran. Mr "No War" is just another lie he foisted on his cult. Had he not abrogated the incredibly effective JCPOA, the leadership of the mullahs in Iran might already have ended. The JCPOA had taken Iran completely out of the nuke game, and the mullahs---not facing the possible wrath of Israel or other nations---would have had nothing to unite their own citizens, people increasingly ready for change and with a desire to join the community of nations for a better life and economic prosperity. The JCPOA could have been used as a stepping stone---as was its secondary intent---to get Iran to change even more of its behavior. Instead, with the abrogation of JCPOA, Iran started up its enrichment program, rebuilt smashed high-speed centrifuges, and gained the cooperation of folks willing to share the secrets of nuclear technology (e.g., Pakistan, China).

Americans: Americans will feel the effects of 47 in many ways....economically, in violence, and ideologically. 47 is incompetent. His business record is proof. He will bring that incompetence to the White House again, but this time he won't have people like Gary Cohn to get in his way. Tariffs are going to cause serious inflation. His other ideas---or are they still just 'concepts of a plan'?---will explode the deficit and lead to a funding crisis. Foreigners still fund a sizeable part of the US' yearly deficit, and it's likely many will turn elsewhere, leaving the US to try to fund itself. 47 might try to do the Fed's job re interest rates, but the market eventually decides what rates will be, either by jacking them up to Volcker Era levels, or by collapsing the USD. So we'll see inflation from tariffs and inflation from rates or USD moves. I'm sure 47 will try to blame Biden, or Pelosi or maybe even Hugo Chavez, but the carnage will be his fault alone.

Americans will also suffer from acts of terror. Lots of new terrorists are going to be created by what 47 allows his "allies" like Putin and Netanyahu to do. Not all of those terrorists are going to be Muslim. I suspect some will be Ukrainians, angry at what 47 allowed and encouraged. The US has been quite lucky since 2001 in that domestic acts of terror by Muslims have been minimal. In fact, even the FBI and Homeland Security under 45 noted more than 70% of all domestic terror incidents since 2001 were carried out by white supremacists and other far right groups.

Personally, I know a number of Muslim-driven terror attacks that were stopped because of good intelligence. That, too, is going to lessen, and that for two reasons. First is that the foreign intel services with whom US intel cooperates do not trust 47, so they will withhold intel, fearing exposure of their own 'sources and methods', just as 45's big mouth (in the Oval Office with FM Lavrov and Amb Kislyak) led to the outing and death of an Israeli penetration of ISIS. The stolen documents incident further discourages anyone---whether foreign liaison or potential clandestine assets---from risking exposure due to the reckless actions of 47. Finally, true patriots who work in US intel are going to leave, because they know enough about autocrats to see what 47 intends to be, and since serving under such an Administration goes against the oath we all took, they will leave. Like most organizations, US Intel operates under the Pareto Principle, where 80% of the work is done by 20% of the people. The good ones are going to leave, and the bad ones cannot do the job effectively. I know from experience it is not easy---but it is dangerous---to try to get close to terror organizations or even the inner circle of hostile nations such as Russia. The dregs left behind will be incapable of doing the job. The overall security of the US will be increasingly under threat, and the US is likely to experience another major terror attack. Terror groups are always aiming toward something bigger and 'greater', such as a dirty bomb or a bioterror weapon, and groups such as al Qaeda have spent years having their own best and brightest trained in the world's top universities. Also, Americans abroad will become targets of terror and retribution, and that might even be in Thailand, as Thailand remains an important base of Islamic terrorists. It did not end with the capture of Hambali, nor the slight change in the customer demographic of a certain (unnamed) Bangkok hotel.

Freedom and liberty inside the US is also going to be impacted by 47. He has stated on many occasions his intent to go after anyone and anything that upsets his fragile ego, even if no crime was committed. His comments about such things as 'military tribunal for Liz Cheney' to taking away the broadcast licenses of networks ABC and CBS are clear indications about what he really thinks of freedom, liberty and in particular the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. I'll remind again the words of Maya Angelou: "When a person shows you what they are, believe them".

Under 47 and an (R) govt, expect other freedoms to go by the wayside, such as a woman's right to control her own body. All of his cultists had better hope their wives or girlfriends or daughters do not get raped, because abortion will be outlawed---despite ballot measures in individual States last week---so the cult best get ready to offer 'love and support' to lots of zygotes that get carried to birth.

I believe we can also expect there to be some alteration of the 'separation of church and State', so that a fanatical form of Born Again Christianity becomes at least semi-official. Such (R) stalwarts as Lauren Boebert have said the US should be governed by the Christian Bible, not the US Constitution. Gee, why didn't Jefferson or Madison think of that?

Recall also that not only did 47 release a Chinese-printed autographed Christian Bible to grift off his goobers, he also had law enforcement violently break up a 1st Amendment-allowed peaceful protest in Lafayette Park just so he could do a photo op in front of a church holding a Bible upside down. Those actions show two intents: to lessen the separation of church and State plus change the 1st Amendment to put conditions on peaceful protest, such as 'don't get in the way of performance art'.

We also know that 47 intends to relax or eliminate posse comitatus laws and use the US Military domestically. 47 has also said he plans to allow a kind of day of reaping, where law enforcement will be given a free hand to ignore various Constitutional amendments or Miranda Rights "in order to get crime under control", despite the fact it fell considerably under Biden. That reeks of Duterte in the Philippines, and goes against everything the USA was intended to be. 47 additionally has said he plans to rid govt agencies of 'disloyal' people, meaning those loyal first and foremost to the US Constitution, rather than him. That smacks of autocracy.

I would put the odds of a breaking up of the 50 US States at maybe 20%. Neither the west coast nor the northeast has any good reason to remain part of the 50. Most of those States not only have strong economies, but they are also net contributors to the Federal Government. I can see an India-like post-WWII Partition (West and East Pakistan) where CA, OR, WA and HI secede, as well as NY, NJ, New England and western PA secede. Poor Illinois, stuck in the middle of mediocrity!

I believe some, maybe even all of these things happen under 47. Cult members are free to laugh, but let's come back and revisit this in two years to see who gets the last laugh. I planned for this possibility, and am using this transition period to try to immunize myself as much as possible from the carnage I believe will come. The stock market rally will allow me to liquidate assets (always fade the initial reaction to major news), and I've already secured a range of international properties to where I can bug out. I’ll also be legging out of the USD, as I expect it to collapse before 2028. Unlike some folks who threaten, I absolutely have no intention of being in the US during 47's term, which maybe never ends (and is just passed down to his surrogates).

I’ll end with a quote I like to read every once in a while, from H.L. Mencken in the 1920s:

“On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

TLDR.

alex8912 · November 12

1 hour ago, Walker88 said:

The effect his 2nd term will have will vary according to the characteristics of individual people, both American and otherwise. In a nutshell, here's what I expect. Members of the cult are free to disagree, but in 1-2 years, I suspect even the cult will be disillusioned.

Ukrainians: His victory is bad for you. All US aid will be halted, NATO will begin to disintegrate, Putin will be given the green light to turn Ukraine into an abattoir, and Ukrainians will eventually be fighting as Einstein once said about WW IV..."with sticks and rocks".

Poles, Estonians, Latvians, Lithuanians: You're next. NATO will collapse and Putin will rebuild the empire of his historical heroes, from the various Nicholases to Stalin and the dictators who followed.

Hispanics (and maybe Asians) in the US: I'm talking legal ones, maybe even 2nd and 3rd generations....his mass deportation scheme will be used to let the racist views of his goobers erupt in action. There will be a huge increase in what the law defines as 'hate crimes', as members of his cult will go after legal folks who look Hispanic. His deportation scheme and its focus on those of Hispanic descent will turn out to the greatest recruiting tool ever for MS-13. Recall there was a huge jump in attacks against Asians, when as 45, he began calling Covid the "Chinese Flu". History repeats, so Hispanics will be the new target. Asians might be tossed in as a bonus, since they ‘look different’.

Muslim Americans: Ironic that many voted for him when he will do for Netanyahu what he will do for Putin: Green Light whatever they want. Palestinians have had it tough enough under Hamas, the Palestinian Authority, and Hezbollah, but now they will suffer even greater at the hands of the IDF. Resentment will grow against anyone even remotely responsible for their suffering, so whole new generations of terrorists will be born.

Iranians: The US will ally with Israel to attack Iran. Mr "No War" is just another lie he foisted on his cult. Had he not abrogated the incredibly effective JCPOA, the leadership of the mullahs in Iran might already have ended. The JCPOA had taken Iran completely out of the nuke game, and the mullahs---not facing the possible wrath of Israel or other nations---would have had nothing to unite their own citizens, people increasingly ready for change and with a desire to join the community of nations for a better life and economic prosperity. The JCPOA could have been used as a stepping stone---as was its secondary intent---to get Iran to change even more of its behavior. Instead, with the abrogation of JCPOA, Iran started up its enrichment program, rebuilt smashed high-speed centrifuges, and gained the cooperation of folks willing to share the secrets of nuclear technology (e.g., Pakistan, China).

Americans: Americans will feel the effects of 47 in many ways....economically, in violence, and ideologically. 47 is incompetent. His business record is proof. He will bring that incompetence to the White House again, but this time he won't have people like Gary Cohn to get in his way. Tariffs are going to cause serious inflation. His other ideas---or are they still just 'concepts of a plan'?---will explode the deficit and lead to a funding crisis. Foreigners still fund a sizeable part of the US' yearly deficit, and it's likely many will turn elsewhere, leaving the US to try to fund itself. 47 might try to do the Fed's job re interest rates, but the market eventually decides what rates will be, either by jacking them up to Volcker Era levels, or by collapsing the USD. So we'll see inflation from tariffs and inflation from rates or USD moves. I'm sure 47 will try to blame Biden, or Pelosi or maybe even Hugo Chavez, but the carnage will be his fault alone.

Americans will also suffer from acts of terror. Lots of new terrorists are going to be created by what 47 allows his "allies" like Putin and Netanyahu to do. Not all of those terrorists are going to be Muslim. I suspect some will be Ukrainians, angry at what 47 allowed and encouraged. The US has been quite lucky since 2001 in that domestic acts of terror by Muslims have been minimal. In fact, even the FBI and Homeland Security under 45 noted more than 70% of all domestic terror incidents since 2001 were carried out by white supremacists and other far right groups.

Personally, I know a number of Muslim-driven terror attacks that were stopped because of good intelligence. That, too, is going to lessen, and that for two reasons. First is that the foreign intel services with whom US intel cooperates do not trust 47, so they will withhold intel, fearing exposure of their own 'sources and methods', just as 45's big mouth (in the Oval Office with FM Lavrov and Amb Kislyak) led to the outing and death of an Israeli penetration of ISIS. The stolen documents incident further discourages anyone---whether foreign liaison or potential clandestine assets---from risking exposure due to the reckless actions of 47. Finally, true patriots who work in US intel are going to leave, because they know enough about autocrats to see what 47 intends to be, and since serving under such an Administration goes against the oath we all took, they will leave. Like most organizations, US Intel operates under the Pareto Principle, where 80% of the work is done by 20% of the people. The good ones are going to leave, and the bad ones cannot do the job effectively. I know from experience it is not easy---but it is dangerous---to try to get close to terror organizations or even the inner circle of hostile nations such as Russia. The dregs left behind will be incapable of doing the job. The overall security of the US will be increasingly under threat, and the US is likely to experience another major terror attack. Terror groups are always aiming toward something bigger and 'greater', such as a dirty bomb or a bioterror weapon, and groups such as al Qaeda have spent years having their own best and brightest trained in the world's top universities. Also, Americans abroad will become targets of terror and retribution, and that might even be in Thailand, as Thailand remains an important base of Islamic terrorists. It did not end with the capture of Hambali, nor the slight change in the customer demographic of a certain (unnamed) Bangkok hotel.

Freedom and liberty inside the US is also going to be impacted by 47. He has stated on many occasions his intent to go after anyone and anything that upsets his fragile ego, even if no crime was committed. His comments about such things as 'military tribunal for Liz Cheney' to taking away the broadcast licenses of networks ABC and CBS are clear indications about what he really thinks of freedom, liberty and in particular the 1st Amendment of the US Constitution. I'll remind again the words of Maya Angelou: "When a person shows you what they are, believe them".

Under 47 and an (R) govt, expect other freedoms to go by the wayside, such as a woman's right to control her own body. All of his cultists had better hope their wives or girlfriends or daughters do not get raped, because abortion will be outlawed---despite ballot measures in individual States last week---so the cult best get ready to offer 'love and support' to lots of zygotes that get carried to birth.

I believe we can also expect there to be some alteration of the 'separation of church and State', so that a fanatical form of Born Again Christianity becomes at least semi-official. Such (R) stalwarts as Lauren Boebert have said the US should be governed by the Christian Bible, not the US Constitution. Gee, why didn't Jefferson or Madison think of that?

Recall also that not only did 47 release a Chinese-printed autographed Christian Bible to grift off his goobers, he also had law enforcement violently break up a 1st Amendment-allowed peaceful protest in Lafayette Park just so he could do a photo op in front of a church holding a Bible upside down. Those actions show two intents: to lessen the separation of church and State plus change the 1st Amendment to put conditions on peaceful protest, such as 'don't get in the way of performance art'.

We also know that 47 intends to relax or eliminate posse comitatus laws and use the US Military domestically. 47 has also said he plans to allow a kind of day of reaping, where law enforcement will be given a free hand to ignore various Constitutional amendments or Miranda Rights "in order to get crime under control", despite the fact it fell considerably under Biden. That reeks of Duterte in the Philippines, and goes against everything the USA was intended to be. 47 additionally has said he plans to rid govt agencies of 'disloyal' people, meaning those loyal first and foremost to the US Constitution, rather than him. That smacks of autocracy.

I would put the odds of a breaking up of the 50 US States at maybe 20%. Neither the west coast nor the northeast has any good reason to remain part of the 50. Most of those States not only have strong economies, but they are also net contributors to the Federal Government. I can see an India-like post-WWII Partition (West and East Pakistan) where CA, OR, WA and HI secede, as well as NY, NJ, New England and western PA secede. Poor Illinois, stuck in the middle of mediocrity!

I believe some, maybe even all of these things happen under 47. Cult members are free to laugh, but let's come back and revisit this in two years to see who gets the last laugh. I planned for this possibility, and am using this transition period to try to immunize myself as much as possible from the carnage I believe will come. The stock market rally will allow me to liquidate assets (always fade the initial reaction to major news), and I've already secured a range of international properties to where I can bug out. I’ll also be legging out of the USD, as I expect it to collapse before 2028. Unlike some folks who threaten, I absolutely have no intention of being in the US during 47's term, which maybe never ends (and is just passed down to his surrogates).

I’ll end with a quote I like to read every once in a while, from H.L. Mencken in the 1920s:

“On some great and glorious day the plain folks of the land will reach their heart’s desire at last, and the White House will be adorned by a downright moron.”

Cliff notes please! Are you kidding us?!

" legal folks who look Hispanic". 😱

Edited November 12 by alex8912

pattayasan · November 12

1 minute ago, TheAppletons said:

TLDR.

I'm shocked.

jerrymahoney · November 12

23 minutes ago, alex8912 said:

Who cares what anyone from Harvard , MIT or anyone says from Massachusetts and that includes Pocahontas Liz! Even here almost 40% voted Trump. Wait just 6 short months and shut up!

So I don't have to wait 6 months before I shut up. Thanks.

But if a guy wants to "prices might go down" to which I originally replied, he doesn't have to wait 6 months. Now is ok.

Edited November 12 by jerrymahoney

blaze master · November 12

8 hours ago, jerrymahoney said:

It was a useless answer to your useless question

So no answer just dumb posts unl

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