A Police Visit on Remembrance Sunday Reveals the Reality of Our Two-Tier Justice System

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

Ditto to my deleted post!

I’ll have to take your word for that.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Brian, did you miss the title of the thread?

 

“A Police Visit on Remembrance Sunday Reveals the Reality of Our Two-Tier Justice System”

 

Did you miss what Allison Pearson said about Remembrance Day?

 

Or  you miss my post pointing out her misunderstanding on the matter?

 

Which was it Brian because ‘Remembrance Day’ is absolutely party of this thread?!

 

 

She didn't tweet about Remembrance day a year ago though, she already said what tweet she thinks the police are referring to. Pure deflection again Chomper

[still kicking]

14 hours ago, georgegeorgia said:

Australian politician Pauline Hanson was sued successfully last week for being racist after writing on  Twitter that a Greens politician should "go back to Pakistan" !

 

 

 

And G/G keep mopping the hospital floors 

[roquefort]

2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Having learned the subject of the police visit was Allison Pearson, a Telegraph reporter, we also learn she has limited view of ‘Remembrance Day’, here’s her reported statement on the matter:

"Today, we are commemorating British men who gave their lives so we could live in a free country,”

 

Here’s what the Royal British Legion have to say:

 

“Remembrance honours those who serve to defend our democratic freedoms and way of life.

 

We unite across faiths, cultures and backgrounds to remember the service and sacrifice of the Armed Forces community from United Kingdom and the Commonwealth. We will remember them.”

 

Many of whom were not British, and from across all faith groups found across  the commonwealth and the then empire.

 

Now if Allison Pearson can just rattle her head and tell us what it is she’s been posting we might all see if it’s something that honors the Remembrance she has chosen to evoke in her complaint.

 

https://www.britishlegion.org.uk/get-involved/remembrance/about-remembrance

 

More desperate nit-picking. It's amazing how you wokesters can twist yourselves into a pretzel trying to justify the unjustifiable.

 

Ms Pearson, having been disturbed by two young coppers at the door while preparing to attend a Remembrance Day service, made an off-the-cuff remark to them while clearly under considerable stress. And you're complaining because she didn't include our Commonwealth brethren??

 

You and your ilk seem to believe that accusing people of a "non-crime hate incident" without telling them who's accusing them or what they're supposed to have said is perfectly OK. It may have been under Comrade Stalin but not in any free, democratic society.

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[Patong2021]

Fascinating to see the knee jerk reactions from people who do not realize that they have been manipulated. 

Pearson's right have not been impinged. A complaint was made alleging that Pearson was  encouraging physical violence. Under the existing laws, the police are obliged to show that they  took the  complaint seriously and looked into the matter.  The police officers were visiting to ask Pearson if she would attend a voluntary meeting. They were not forcing themselves on her. Because the alleged incident occurred on a media platform open to the general public, the complainant need not be immediately identified as the comment is directed at all and is public. 

 

16 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

Disgraceful woke behaviour from the Police, distilling the very essence of two tier policing in the UK; anyone remember when a baying mob of Muslims hounded a teacher from Batley Grammar school out of his job and home, making myriad death threats to him and his family.

 

West Yorkshire police did not make one single arrest, not one. Instead they made the teacher relocate with his wife and 4 small children where they were given new identities; they are all still in hiding more than 3 years later, their lived completely destroyed.

 

Or remember the Muslim Islamists that projected an antisemitic hate slogan onto the houses of Parliament; again, not one single arrest. And if that is not bad enough, we now have a two tier justice system in the UK; witness the leniency of sentencing for left wing protesters, even those having committed criminal damage. The UK is rapidly going down the gurgler.

 

Says someone that gets all their UK news from either the Guardian or the farcically named Independent. 

 

You are upset for the wrong reason. The police are there as agents of the judiciary system. All they were doing was delivering a message, as was their duty and obligation of law enforcement agents. You expect the police to interpret the laws and to do as they wish. That is not appropriate and not how a police system should function.

 

15 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Still no charges for the Muslims for broke the female police officer's nose at Manchester Airport?

Nah, let's go after people on Social Media who express the "wrong" opinion instead.

What a joke. 2 Tier Britain. 

 

No charges, because there is an ongoing investigation The Crown has the burden of proof to present a viable case.  The attackers have offered up excuses and explanations that must be thoroughly investigated and disproven.  In the interim, the 4 men were arrested on suspicion of affray and assault and remain on bail subject to conditions. It actually works out better than if they  had been to court because 1st time offenders typically get off.

 

12 hours ago, mikeymike100 said:

Where have I heard that before, 'i was only doing my job, oh yes the Germans in WW2

Not at all comparable. No one's human rights were abridged. The police officers were visiting to ask if  Pearson would agree to a VOLUNTARY meeting. The police had an obligation to respond to an allegation alleging the threat of a physical crime.

[roquefort]

2 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Not at all comparable. No one's human rights were abridged. The police officers were visiting to ask if  Pearson would agree to a VOLUNTARY meeting. The police had an obligation to respond to an allegation alleging the threat of a physical crime.

You miss the point entirely (or is it voluntary deflection?). No-one's blaming the two coppers who turned up at her door on a Sunday morning. It's the idea that in a free, democratic society you can be accused of a crime (or 'invited' for an interview about a non-crime in this case) without knowing who's accusing you or why, have your neighbours twitching the curtains as the police cars arrive outside your door, and generally have your reputation trashed because someone (unnamed) didn't like what you allegedly said (unknown) online.

 

It's the law that's an ass.

[Patong2021]

3 hours ago, roquefort said:

You miss the point entirely (or is it voluntary deflection?). No-one's blaming the two coppers who turned up at her door on a Sunday morning. It's the idea that in a free, democratic society you can be accused of a crime (or 'invited' for an interview about a non-crime in this case) without knowing who's accusing you or why, have your neighbours twitching the curtains as the police cars arrive outside your door, and generally have your reputation trashed because someone (unnamed) didn't like what you allegedly said (unknown) online.

 

It's the law that's an ass.

 

I do get the point. The police showed up on that day, because they knew she would be at home as she had been difficult to contact up to that point. There is no reason to identify a complainant because the action was a public act. There has never been a requirement to have a person complain when there is a threat of an act of violence. If one were to  say,"Let's attack the homeless refuge in Bath tonight", there is no requirement for anyone to bring a specific complaint.  Nor is it any  different when there is an act of vandalism to public property or  when uttering threats such as "I will blow up a train station".

 

You claim there is a "non crime". It was  not determined at the time. That is why the police were investigating. It is alleged that the person encouraged physical violence against a religious/political group. The law exists because of groups who have in the past  organized to attack multiple minority groups. The laws can also be used against the  supporters of Hamas who march in the streets of London. Unfortunately,  those people enjoy the protection of multiple MPs, student groups, religious activists and labour unions.

 

[roquefort]

3 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

 

I do get the point. The police showed up on that day, because they knew she would be at home as she had been difficult to contact up to that point. There is no reason to identify a complainant because the action was a public act. There has never been a requirement to have a person complain when there is a threat of an act of violence. If one were to  say,"Let's attack the homeless refuge in Bath tonight", there is no requirement for anyone to bring a specific complaint.  Nor is it any  different when there is an act of vandalism to public property or  when uttering threats such as "I will blow up a train station".

 

You claim there is a "non crime". It was  not determined at the time. That is why the police were investigating. It is alleged that the person encouraged physical violence against a religious/political group. The law exists because of groups who have in the past  organized to attack multiple minority groups. The laws can also be used against the  supporters of Hamas who march in the streets of London. Unfortunately,  those people enjoy the protection of multiple MPs, student groups, religious activists and labour unions.

 

Well, I do agree with your last point, that there is a two-tier justice system in the UK. Most ordinary people cannot understand why the police are so keen to investigate online 'hate crimes' when they're too busy to turn up for shoplifting, burglaries and what people perceive as real crimes.

 

By the way, the police said when they turned up at her door they were investigating a 'non-crime hate incident'. Yes, that is a thing in today's dystopian UK.

[JonnyF]

6 hours ago, roquefort said:

You miss the point entirely (or is it voluntary deflection?). No-one's blaming the two coppers who turned up at her door on a Sunday morning. It's the idea that in a free, democratic society you can be accused of a crime (or 'invited' for an interview about a non-crime in this case) without knowing who's accusing you or why, have your neighbours twitching the curtains as the police cars arrive outside your door, and generally have your reputation trashed because someone (unnamed) didn't like what you allegedly said (unknown) online.

 

It's the law that's an ass.

 

Exactly. They turn up on your door to tell you that you haven't committed a crime, for a tweet that they won't give information about, reported by someone that they cannot reveal.

 

It's pure intimidation. An attempt to make people self censor. Get back in their box and shut up, or else. We're watching you.

 

It's Kafkaesque. 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Exactly. They turn up on your door to tell you that you haven't committed a crime, for a tweet that they won't give information about, reported by someone that they cannot reveal.

 

It's pure intimidation. An attempt to make people self censor. Get back in their box and shut up, or else. We're watching you.

 

It's Kafkaesque. 

Yea but its back fired now with the publicity this is getting................

 

Essex Police have made Allison Pearson a free speech martyr instead of fighting actual crime

Allison Pearson, the highly respectable Daily Telegraph middlebrow columnist, was naturally startled when, on Remembrance Sunday morning, two police presented themselves at her door to tell her that she was under investigation for allegedly stirring up racial hatred in connection with a social media post on X and invited her for a voluntary interview. She was not allowed to know which post, exactly, was being investigated nor who was her accuser.

I have to say when I first heard the news my first reaction was that the world has actually gone mad; my second: how brilliant for Allison Pearson. As a columnist, can there be anything better calculated to promote your standing than being investigated by the police on this utterly fatuous basis? If the Essex police were in a benign conspiracy to promote her brand, really they couldn’t do better than present her as a martyr for free speech. 

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/allison-pearson-telegraph-journalist-essex-police-tweet-london-crime-b1194035.html

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United wokedom

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Yea but its back fired now with the publicity this is getting................

 

Essex Police have made Allison Pearson a free speech martyr instead of fighting actual crime

Allison Pearson, the highly respectable Daily Telegraph middlebrow columnist, was naturally startled when, on Remembrance Sunday morning, two police presented themselves at her door to tell her that she was under investigation for allegedly stirring up racial hatred in connection with a social media post on X and invited her for a voluntary interview. She was not allowed to know which post, exactly, was being investigated nor who was her accuser.

I have to say when I first heard the news my first reaction was that the world has actually gone mad; my second: how brilliant for Allison Pearson. As a columnist, can there be anything better calculated to promote your standing than being investigated by the police on this utterly fatuous basis? If the Essex police were in a benign conspiracy to promote her brand, really they couldn’t do better than present her as a martyr for free speech. 

https://www.standard.co.uk/comment/allison-pearson-telegraph-journalist-essex-police-tweet-london-crime-b1194035.html

 

Exactly.

 

They love picking on old ladies for "wrongthink" social media posts but it seems they picked on the wrong one this time. 

 

Perhaps they could consider solving some actual crimes like robbery, rape,  knife crime etc. It's a radical idea, but it might just work. 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

9 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

You are upset for the wrong reason. The police are there as agents of the judiciary system. All they were doing was delivering a message, as was their duty and obligation of law enforcement agents. You expect the police to interpret the laws and to do as they wish. That is not appropriate and not how a police system should function.

 

You seem to have missed my point completely; and the “they were just doing their duty” apologist deflection does not cut the mustard with me.

 

Every UK police force, and not just the Met, where it all started, have become infiltrated by the left and heavily politicised. This was a political decision taken by senior police management, which is where the all wokesters are ensconced.

 

Every day in the UK there are thousands of burglaries, bicycle thefts and sexual assaults that go un-investigated; why aren’t they just doing their duty regarding these crimes ?

 

There are thousands of shoplifting incidents every day, and the police claim they don’t have the resources to investigate; why aren’t they just doing their duty regarding this criminal epidemic ?

 

However, give them an opportunity to harass a journalist from a right wing publication for possible hurty feelings towards an anonymous person over year ago, and they suddenly have the resources to dispatch two plod to knock on her door. As an obvious left winger yourself, I’m sure you were quite happy to see this happen to her, which would explain why you have ignored my main criticism, which is the two tier policing system which this incident clearly highlights, and the two tier justice system that allows leniency towards any left wing, or muslim protesters, on the rare occasions they are hauled before the beak.

 

 

 

[stevenl]

11 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

She didn't tweet about Remembrance day a year ago though, she already said what tweet she thinks the police are referring to. Pure deflection again Chomper

She made the link with remembrance day. So no, not deflection at all.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, stevenl said:

She made the link with remembrance day. So no, not deflection at all.

Actually the Police did as they assumed she would be home then, read the info. Oh and yes total deflection, her tweet or what she was wearing which she also linked to was nothing to do with remembrance day.

[stevenl]

46 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Actually the Police did as they assumed she would be home then, read the info. Oh and yes total deflection, her tweet or what she was wearing which she also linked to was nothing to do with remembrance day.

There's a reason she started her piece with referencing remembrance day.

[Bkk Brian]

14 minutes ago, stevenl said:

There's a reason she started her piece with referencing remembrance day.

Is there also a reason why she talked about what clothes she was wearing? Another deflection from what this is about!!

[Patong2021]

14 hours ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

You seem to have missed my point completely; and the “they were just doing their duty” apologist deflection does not cut the mustard with me.

 

Every UK police force, and not just the Met, where it all started, have become infiltrated by the left and heavily politicised. This was a political decision taken by senior police management, which is where the all wokesters are ensconced.

 

Every day in the UK there are thousands of burglaries, bicycle thefts and sexual assaults that go un-investigated; why aren’t they just doing their duty regarding these crimes ?

 

There are thousands of shoplifting incidents every day, and the police claim they don’t have the resources to investigate; why aren’t they just doing their duty regarding this criminal epidemic ?

 

However, give them an opportunity to harass a journalist from a right wing publication for possible hurty feelings towards an anonymous person over year ago, and they suddenly have the resources to dispatch two plod to knock on her door. As an obvious left winger yourself, I’m sure you were quite happy to see this happen to her, which would explain why you have ignored my main criticism, which is the two tier policing system which this incident clearly highlights, and the two tier justice system that allows leniency towards any left wing, or muslim protesters, on the rare occasions they are hauled before the beak.

 

You are regurgitating common talking points favoured by populists. Yes, property crimes  are not thoroughly investigated. It has been that way for 30+ years, and is due to the inability to respond to all of the  reports. I don't like it anymore than you do.  However, sexual assaults are  investigated. You have confused the failure of the  crown prosecutor office to lay charges with  the police not investigating. The police are compelled to investigate physical sexual assaults, just as they are compelled to investigate threats of terror and mass incitement of physical harm.

 

You have added all sorts of tangents to dress up your claim, none of which is germane.  Look at what occurred. A person is alleged to have incited violent physical acts against a visible minority group. As is the case for other threats of mass violence, the police were obliged to investigate and that's what they did. No one was detained or arrested. No one was  hauled into a police station and questioned. Pearson's legal and civil rights were respected. The investigation was politicized by Pearson for her own  purpose.