UK Pensioners in Thailand Face New Scrutiny Over Pension Fraud

[scottiejohn]

7 hours ago, James9999 said:

What pensioners don't need the state pension to live on?

Rich ones!

[bradiston]

10 hours ago, jori123 said:

have dwp ever punished unfrozen pensioner caught?
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The Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) has not explicitly “punished” unfrozen pensioners caught living in frozen countries. However, the policy of frozen state pensions has been a contentious issue for many British pensioners living abroad.....and   

 

 

a OAP lives permanently in frozen country and receives unfrozen pension   is that fraud?
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If an OAP (Old Age Pensioner) resides permanently in a frozen country and receives an unfrozen pension, it is not fraudulent. No action taken Let me explain:
 

Please do!

[transam]

12 hours ago, jori123 said:

Only one here sunshine,you.   Trolley  and off it come to mind    no investigation for oap,says so,never mind.  Keep calm and carry on

 

Yes, you should...................😂

 

And hey, stop making up false stuff about me, I will report it every time, makes you look stupid, come back when you have real facts with real links, there's a good chap......😉

[transam]

12 hours ago, jori123 said:

 

You're saying you reported a post, your own post that was duplicated here. You deny authoring that post; I'm truly flabbergasted.  I could put a link up to remind you if you so wish, please indicate  lol

You can't put anything real up, you're a nutter, how many times have you been removed from here on the same subject...? How many....?.........

 

Why don't you post on the government's plans for UK pensioners to combat fraud pointed out in various videos posted here, go on, real facts...........🤭

[sandyf]

20 hours ago, transam said:

Your pension is a 'benefit',

The word "benefit" is arbitrary and needs a qualifying adjective for context.

The government wants to push the view that the state pension is a social security benefit. Sometime after it's introduction the state pension came under the umbrella of the Social Security Act along with moves to break the link between NI and the state pension, leading to false claims by the government.

The government publishes the rates for welfare benefits but there is no rate for the "state pension", it is an individual entitlement.

[transam]

6 hours ago, jori123 said:

 

 

 

 Good luck, I think. However, there appears to be no connection between what you state and the reality of catching pension benefit fraudsters.   ps where are you?

I think you are cornered, the game is up, you now have nothing, try spending some time working out how you NOW have to fix your obvious fraud problem, Pauline will be no help this time......😉

[BritManToo]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

You can't put anything real up, you're a nutter, how many times have you been removed from here on the same subject...? How many....?.........

 

Why don't you post on the government's plans for UK pensioners to combat fraud pointed out in various videos posted here, go on, real facts...........🤭

One could ask how many warnings have you received?

But that would be off topic.

 

Deliberately mixing state pension with means tested benefits isn't exactly honest. Especially as every link you post is about means tested benefits and not the state pension.

[sandyf]

19 hours ago, bradiston said:

Well you've managed to totally go off topic (deviate as you put it) and start on about trans, gays, racism etc etc. This thread is about the UK pension being frozen overseas in non reciprocating countries.

So you think that discrimination is selective, some should be addressed and some not.

This thread is due to discrimination, and will continue until people like you open their eyes and see the discrimination that has been perpretrated by the government over the years.

 

[transam]

15 minutes ago, sandyf said:

The word "benefit" is arbitrary and needs a qualifying adjective for context.

The government wants to push the view that the state pension is a social security benefit. Sometime after it's introduction the state pension came under the umbrella of the Social Security Act along with moves to break the link between NI and the state pension, leading to false claims by the government.

The government publishes the rates for welfare benefits but there is no rate for the "state pension", it is an individual entitlement.

Yes, but comes under 'benefit', it is not a pension scheme, where you pay quoted instalments, that's why they can tell us we cannot get updates in Thailand, if it were a pension scheme, they couldn't .............🤔

[transam]

10 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

One could ask how many warnings have you received?

But that would be off topic.

 

Deliberately mixing state pension with means tested benefits isn't exactly honest. Especially as every link you post is about means tested benefits and not the state pension.

I have never been BANNED, been here since 2007..................😉

 

Your pension is a benefit, end of. My videos are about the state pensions. To combat fraud from BOTH directions.

Your new pension benefit bank account can be looked at by pensions to see if you get 'robbed' or are on the fiddle.

The dots have been lined up, it had to happen sometime, because of people like you...........🤔.. 

[sandyf]

10 minutes ago, transam said:

Yes, but comes under 'benefit', it is not a pension scheme, where you pay quoted instalments, that's why they can tell us we cannot get updates in Thailand, if it were a pension scheme, they couldn't .............🤔

You are distorting that word "benefit" again, the term SERPS stands for State Earnings Related Pension Scheme.

You are also missing the point. The first reciprocal agreement was an act of discrimination, creating 2 classes  of overseas pensioner, those that can and those that can't.

"that's why they can tell us" - what the govenment say is not always right. In light of current equality laws the government has been forced to address other discriminatory issues, why not the state pension.

They claim it has been that way for over 70 years but GRB only started in 1961.

Graduated Retirement Benefit (GRB)

GRB was an early form of earnings-related pension, intended to top-up basic pension. It is based on graduated contributions paid on earnings between 1961 and 1975 and is paid to those people who paid into the graduated pension scheme.

The entitlement is based on each unit of graduated contributions paid. Essentially every £7.50 contributed by a man, and every £9.00 contributed by a woman bought one unit. It will be paid when you claim your Basic State Pension, but can also be paid at State Pension Age even if you do not qualify for a Basic Pension.

You can delay claiming it  and earn increments in the same way as for other parts of the pension. A widow, widower or surviving civil partner can get half of any Graduated Retirement Benefit for which their spouse had qualified. Amounts of Graduated Retirement Benefit are generally very small and often paid as a lump-sum rather than weekly payments.  https://www.rights4seniors.net/content/other-state-pension-payments

[bradiston]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

So you think that discrimination is selective, some should be addressed and some not.

This thread is due to discrimination, and will continue until people like you open their eyes and see the discrimination that has been perpretrated by the government over the years.

 

What discrimination? Against pensioners? Sure, some might be gay. Some trans. Some lesbian. Some some other identifier. That isn't the topic. There are quite legitimate ways of keeping your pension unfrozen while living abroad. Read the list of reciprocating countries. So sorry Thailand isn't on it. I've posted the link 100 times. Still you moan.

[BritManToo]

1 hour ago, transam said:

I have never been BANNED, been here since 2007..................😉

 

Your pension is a benefit, end of. My videos are about the state pensions. To combat fraud from BOTH directions.

Your new pension benefit bank account can be looked at by pensions to see if you get 'robbed' or are on the fiddle.

The dots have been lined up, it had to happen sometime, because of people like you...........🤔.. 

Total BS, almost everything you post is deceptive or worthless.

I remember the good old days when you were one of the greatest posters on this forum an POTY, but around 3 years back there was Yinn .......... how the mighty have fallen.

[transam]

37 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Total BS, almost everything you post is deceptive or worthless.

I remember the good old days when you were one of the greatest posters on this forum an POTY, but around 3 years back there was Yinn .......... how the mighty have fallen.

I think you have wondered off-topic................😂

 

Sorry if the latest pension fraud news has upset you, but news it is, and worrying for some..................

[roo860]

38 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Total BS, almost everything you post is deceptive or worthless.

I remember the good old days when you were one of the greatest posters on this forum an POTY, but around 3 years back there was Yinn .......... how the mighty have fallen.

Apparently he's a moderator on another forum, it's probably got about 20 members, you're right, how the mighty have fallen!!

[transam]

1 minute ago, roo860 said:

Apparently he's a moderator on another forum, it's probably got about 20 members, you're right, how the mighty have fallen!!

I am not a moderator anywhere, try sticking to the thread and not the poster because YOU don't like the future pension payment set-up..........

[Baht Simpson]

11 hours ago, James9999 said:

What pensioners don't need the state pension to live on?

If you rely solely on  State Pension then obviously the money is crucial. However some people have private pensions and investments that cover the cost of living, so the State Pension is a supplement. 

[transam]

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

You are distorting that word "benefit" again, the term SERPS stands for State Earnings Related Pension Scheme.

You are also missing the point. The first reciprocal agreement was an act of discrimination, creating 2 classes  of overseas pensioner, those that can and those that can't.

"that's why they can tell us" - what the govenment say is not always right. In light of current equality laws the government has been forced to address other discriminatory issues, why not the state pension.

They claim it has been that way for over 70 years but GRB only started in 1961.

Graduated Retirement Benefit (GRB)

GRB was an early form of earnings-related pension, intended to top-up basic pension. It is based on graduated contributions paid on earnings between 1961 and 1975 and is paid to those people who paid into the graduated pension scheme.

The entitlement is based on each unit of graduated contributions paid. Essentially every £7.50 contributed by a man, and every £9.00 contributed by a woman bought one unit. It will be paid when you claim your Basic State Pension, but can also be paid at State Pension Age even if you do not qualify for a Basic Pension.

You can delay claiming it  and earn increments in the same way as for other parts of the pension. A widow, widower or surviving civil partner can get half of any Graduated Retirement Benefit for which their spouse had qualified. Amounts of Graduated Retirement Benefit are generally very small and often paid as a lump-sum rather than weekly payments.  https://www.rights4seniors.net/content/other-state-pension-payments

 

2 hours ago, sandyf said:

You are distorting that word "benefit" again, the term SERPS stands for State Earnings Related Pension Scheme.

You are also missing the point. The first reciprocal agreement was an act of discrimination, creating 2 classes  of overseas pensioner, those that can and those that can't.

"that's why they can tell us" - what the govenment say is not always right. In light of current equality laws the government has been forced to address other discriminatory issues, why not the state pension.

They claim it has been that way for over 70 years but GRB only started in 1961.

Graduated Retirement Benefit (GRB)

GRB was an early form of earnings-related pension, intended to top-up basic pension. It is based on graduated contributions paid on earnings between 1961 and 1975 and is paid to those people who paid into the graduated pension scheme.

The entitlement is based on each unit of graduated contributions paid. Essentially every £7.50 contributed by a man, and every £9.00 contributed by a woman bought one unit. It will be paid when you claim your Basic State Pension, but can also be paid at State Pension Age even if you do not qualify for a Basic Pension.

You can delay claiming it  and earn increments in the same way as for other parts of the pension. A widow, widower or surviving civil partner can get half of any Graduated Retirement Benefit for which their spouse had qualified. Amounts of Graduated Retirement Benefit are generally very small and often paid as a lump-sum rather than weekly payments.  https://www.rights4seniors.net/content/other-state-pension-payments

You are now making excuses, let's stick to what the Gov is doing to stop pension fraud.

My vids have pointed what they are supposedly going to do.

 

Every UK farang in LOS knows their pension will be locked if living there, the Gov knows many are avoiding their pension being locked usually by a third party, or some sort of dodge back in the UK.

 

The Gov's new procedure will probably stop that fraud, that's it, end of story...

 

I must add, some on here, over the years, have bragged, and rubbed others noses in it because folk are following the law, now I see them having bum burps because they are going to get what most of us wanted to avoid. Those people may soon have to sort a lot of things out, I won't, because I wanted to sleep at night......... 🤗

[BritManToo]

10 minutes ago, transam said:

Every UK farang in LOS knows their pension will be locked if living there, the Gov knows many are avoiding their pension being locked usually by a third party, or some sort of dodge back in the UK.

You think there are only white British pensioners living in Thailand?

Racist nonsense!

Edited Wednesday at 05:52 AM by BritManToo

[transam]

6 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

You think there are only white British pensioners living in Thailand?

Racist nonsense!

Eh....? 

What are you on about.........

[delgarcon]

I have been living here for 13 years now and my pension has been increased regularly. My last 2 life certificates have been signed by my local pharmacist (in Thailand) and prior to that in France, where I have a permanent address. People like the paranoid transam do the rest of us a favour by believing the bs that he reads, as I cannot imagine any government spending a fortune trying to track down those of us  who don't declare that we live in Thailand, let alone trying to access our bank account details. Do you honestly believe that we'll all be done for fraud? You're out for a laugh transam. Do yourself a favour and call it a day, stop making a fool of yourself.

[transam]

7 minutes ago, delgarcon said:

I have been living here for 13 years now and my pension has been increased regularly. My last 2 life certificates have been signed by my local pharmacist (in Thailand) and prior to that in France, where I have a permanent address. People like the paranoid transam do the rest of us a favour by believing the bs that he reads, as I cannot imagine any government spending a fortune trying to track down those of us  who don't declare that we live in Thailand, let alone trying to access our bank account details. Do you honestly believe that we'll all be done for fraud? You're out for a laugh transam. Do yourself a favour and call it a day, stop making a fool of yourself.

Posts like this seem to show a worried person. Now, I would have thought that if you get a life certificate at a Thai address, you have a locked pension, as they send them to the pension registered address. 

 

But, If you do get a full pension in LOS then why not tell readers why and how, instead of having a pop at me for just showing the UK Gov's plans via various sites.

 

"You can't imagine", so, because you think that the various sources I supplied are all talking nonsense, and if they are, then YOU post evidence that it is the case........🤗

 

This could be interesting, go for it.......🤔

 

 

[transam]

3 hours ago, BritManToo said:

You think there are only white British pensioners living in Thailand?

Racist nonsense!

Can you explain this post, as racism from me hasn't occurred.........🤔

[delgarcon]

22 minutes ago, transam said:

Posts like this seem to show a worried person. Now, I would have thought that if you get a life certificate at a Thai address, you have a locked pension, as they send them to the pension registered address. 

 

But, If you do get a full pension in LOS then why not tell readers why and how, instead of having a pop at me for just showing the UK Gov's plans via various sites.

 

"You can't imagine", so, because you think that the various sources I supplied are all talking nonsense, and if they are, then YOU post evidence that it is the case........🤗

 

This could be interesting, go for it.......🤔

 

 

I'm not going to try and match your 83 posts on this subject, but I will put your mind at rest. I'm 80 years old and I'm not stupid enough to give half of my well earned pension away. My pension has always been paid into my English bank account, which I opened almost 50 years ago and all correspondence from the DWP is passed on to me from my French address. Life certs are signed here and sent back to France to be posted in the brown envelope, which is what the DWP asks us to do.

Some years ago I was asked where I'd been living for the last 12 months and I knew that they had no choice but to accept what I told them, so I told them what I could remember.

I hope that those of you who have been worried by this idiot, who is probably feeling a bit stupid by now, will see that there is nothing  to worry about if you haven't committed a crime.

You make too many assumptions transam, some of us are more intelligent than you, probably the majority in fact!

[transam]

16 minutes ago, delgarcon said:

I'm not going to try and match your 83 posts on this subject, but I will put your mind at rest. I'm 80 years old and I'm not stupid enough to give half of my well earned pension away. My pension has always been paid into my English bank account, which I opened almost 50 years ago and all correspondence from the DWP is passed on to me from my French address. Life certs are signed here and sent back to France to be posted in the brown envelope, which is what the DWP asks us to do.

Some years ago I was asked where I'd been living for the last 12 months and I knew that they had no choice but to accept what I told them, so I told them what I could remember.

I hope that those of you who have been worried by this idiot, who is probably feeling a bit stupid by now, will see that there is nothing  to worry about if you haven't committed a crime.

You make too many assumptions transam, some of us are more intelligent than you, probably the majority in fact!

Have I got this right, so you have been committing benefit fraud for a very long time. It would seem you are in good company with a few on here...😜

I am making no assumptions, you are, all I have done is shown vids of the new pension payment plans and how they are going to do it next year, your story will be history.

 

I am surprised you don't understand why the Gov is going to close the gaps, in the very near future....🤗

Good luck.......

 

[delgarcon]

14 minutes ago, transam said:

Have I got this right, so you have been committing benefit fraud for a very long time. It would seem you are in good company with a few on here...😜

I am making no assumptions, you are, all I have done is shown vids of the new pension payment plans and how they are going to do it next year, your story will be history.

 

I am surprised you don't understand why the Gov is going to close the gaps, in the very near future....🤗

Good luck.......

 

Where's the fraud?

[transam]

38 minutes ago, delgarcon said:

Where's the fraud?

Perhaps I don't understand your story, but, your old history has nothing to do with the changes put forward in the videos I posted.

Watch the videos on how things are going to change for you to receive payments in the future...

[jori123]

10 hours ago, transam said:

I think you are cornered, the game is up, you now have nothing, try spending some time working out how you NOW have to fix your obvious fraud problem, Pauline will be no help this time......😉

"think" "probably" "supposedly" are words foremost in your vocabulary

"game up"?  have you read the finance bill? Nothing there  about pensioners there in TH or anywhere else,  oh dear!

6 hours ago, transam said:

 

You are now making excuses, let's stick to what the Gov is doing to stop pension fraud.

My vids have pointed what they are supposedly going to do.

The Gov's new procedure will probably stop that fraud, that's it, end of story...

 

I must add, some on here, over the years, have bragged, and rubbed others noses in it because folk are following the law, now I see them having bum burps because they are going to get what most of us wanted to avoid. Those people may soon have to sort a lot of things out, I won't, because I wanted to sleep at night......... 🤗

"sleep at night"? would give me suicidal thoughts at losing all that money

 There is no law to follow, not unlawful to receive unfrozen pension in TH

 

  Anyway as I have expressed before you do indeed interfere with my morning toilet, please stop your illogical ranting

             Thank You  (unfrozen in TH)

[jori123]

It sounds like there's a heated debate going on about pension fraud and the new government procedures. From what I can gather, there's a lot of back-and-forth about the legality and implications of receiving unfrozen pensions while living abroad, particularly in Thailand.

The discussion seems to revolve around the government's efforts to combat pension fraud and how these new measures might affect pensioners living overseas. Some members are concerned about the potential impact on their pensions, while others are confident that they are following the law and have nothing to worry about.

It's clear that emotions are running high, and there's a mix of frustration, concern, and even some humor in the exchanges. If you have any specific questions or need more information on this topic, feel free to ask!

are unfrozen pensioners in th unlawful

Receiving an unfrozen pension while living in Thailand is not unlawful.

59 minutes ago, transam said:

Perhaps I don't understand your story, but, your old history has nothing to do with the changes put forward in the videos I posted.

Watch the videos on how things are going to change for you to receive payments in the future...

Vids? dunno about yours, but watching one now "African woman gratifies  white OAP in a toilet"

Edited Wednesday at 12:44 PM by jori123

[scottiejohn]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Perhaps I don't understand your story, but, your old history has nothing to do with the changes put forward in the videos I posted.

Watch the videos on how things are going to change for you to receive payments in the future...

Where is the link to the UK Government website to substantiate your claims regarding UK State Pensions, not benifits, being directly or indirectly encompased by this so called law?

 

Please also state where is the link to the UK Government website to substantiate your claims regarding UK State Pensions being subject to stoppage or repayment.  The web site will only show that State pensions will revert to their last legitimate claim and NO statement about reclemation of overpayments! 

Reclemation will only apply if you falsly claim  for WELFARE BENIFITS that you are not entitled to!