UK Pensioners in Thailand Face New Scrutiny Over Pension Fraud

[jori123]

19 minutes ago, transam said:

I don't want what ever you have written, post the Links, LINKS.........😂

 

Have you forgotten you got removed before for posting this kind of cr@p, izod10.....😂

 

   ..but its there, I could not not post under  your poster name, how could I?   do not know your password for one

 

  UK & Europe Topics and Events...

 UK Pensions and related information (2024)

Page 6  on the locked thread, the whole sorry saga of your bullsh.itting 

Edited Friday at 12:40 PM by jori123

[transam]

1 minute ago, jori123 said:

 

   ..but its there, I could not not post under  your poster name, how could I?   do not know your password for one

 

  UK & Europe Topics and Events...Page 6  on the locked thread,the whole sorry saga of your bullsh.itting 

🤣.................But, you read the "post", copy and paste it here, locked thread or not, and you don't have login to read posts, because you read it...............😂

 

You know, the last time you got removed for this similar BS, now go away, find my actual un-doctored posts so we can all read them, not your usual kinder garden efforts........

 

[treetops]

Look, here's the link as it seems so difficult for one poster to do.  Shows people do get sanctioned for pension fraud.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1142813-uk-pensions-and-related-info/page/6/#comment-15474080

 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, treetops said:

Look, here's the link as it seems so difficult for one poster to do.  Shows people do get sanctioned for pension fraud.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1142813-uk-pensions-and-related-info/page/6/#comment-15474080

 

He hasn't got the gumption, a post from 4 years back.........😂

 

[jori123]

11 minutes ago, treetops said:

Look, here's the link as it seems so difficult for one poster to do.  Shows people do get sanctioned for pension fraud.

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1142813-uk-pensions-and-related-info/page/6/#comment-15474080

 

Can we draw an end to this bickering now please.

 

The rules are quite clear in respect of the State Pension, if you reside in the UK, or a few other countries, your State Pension will be uplifted annually.

 

If you live in Thailand, and numerous other countries, you don't get any increases.

 

It is your responsibility to keep the DWP advised of your current residential address.

 

If you decide to lie, then that's up you, you may get caught, in all probability you won't, I know of two that were.

 

Whilst my personal integrity wouldn't allow me to lie by not updating the DWP with my address details to receive the increases, I wouldn't criticise those whose integrity differs from mine.

 

I think we all agree the system is very wrong.

 

 yet another "I know someone"  rubbish ,likened to your Filipino rag

Edited Friday at 01:04 PM by jori123

[jori123]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

He hasn't got the gumption, a post from 4 years back.........😂

 

..but you leave a track...4 years ,4weeks, 4 days   makes no difference  If you read DWP regulations there are no penalties   Be happy  in your frozen world  LOL

 

 UK & Europe Topics and Events...

 UK Pensions and related information (2024)

Page 6  on the locked thread, the whole sorry saga of your bullsh.itting 

Edited Friday at 01:07 PM by jori123

[Captain Flack]

I have removed some posts and replies which are against community standards. If the bickering continues, time outs will be coming.

 

@jori123 be careful as you have now again reposted a comment that was removed by a moderator. You obsession with a 2020 comment, is starting to look like you are stalking another poster

[Captain Flack]

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[sandyf]

On 11/22/2024 at 10:06 AM, bradiston said:

. But I'm not sure what you're referring to.

Because you jumped in without any consideration to what was said.

[sandyf]

On 11/22/2024 at 10:34 AM, transam said:

which I have shown you from credible links.

Your link was from 2016 and far from credible. The government wants people to believe the "state pension" is a single entity and you have fallen for it.

It may come as a suprprise to you but the injustice from previous years has not been wiped out by the changes in 2016.

Those that contracted out get the proceeds from their second state pension NI contributions paid out as part of an occupational or private pension, index linked world wide. They do not want to acknowledge the discrimination that was perpretrated by that arrangement.

Everyone is perfectly free to support the discrimination, but the hypocrisy lies in denying it.

 

 

[transam]

52 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Your link was from 2016 and far from credible. The government wants people to believe the "state pension" is a single entity and you have fallen for it.

It may come as a suprprise to you but the injustice from previous years has not been wiped out by the changes in 2016.

Those that contracted out get the proceeds from their second state pension NI contributions paid out as part of an occupational or private pension, index linked world wide. They do not want to acknowledge the discrimination that was perpretrated by that arrangement.

Everyone is perfectly free to support the discrimination, but the hypocrisy lies in denying it.

 

 

Denying what, that the UK state pension is actually a benefit, I think that is you...........🤭

 

Anyhoooo, don't worry about it, move on...........😋..............

[ElwoodP]

Troll post removed

[sandyf]

On 11/23/2024 at 5:27 PM, transam said:

Denying what, that the UK state pension is actually a benefit, I think that is you...........🤭

 

Anyhoooo, don't worry about it, move on...........😋..............

Every year the politicians attend memorials or stand in parliament and express their eternal praise and gratitude for the armed forces.

Every year those same politicians vote to deny some miltary veterans uprating on all the pension components of their state pension.

Anyone who would attempt to ridicule the situation should be hanging their head in shame.

 

https://www.change.org/p/prime-minister-meet-with-my-99-year-old-ww2-veteran-mum-fighting-to-end-frozen-pensions/u/33061322?cs_tk=A3pmQq8wR_hGDGIwS2cAAXicyyvNyQEABF8BvGRiNWI5YjZhYTAzZGI0NGY3NmU0ZmQwZjc3ODI3Y2NkMjczNWFhNzNmZTYyNTk1NmRmOTY1ZDUxNjFmMTBkOTg%3D&utm_campaign=b2ab8bc8671d4bc290ec5607dceb1bf6&utm_content=initial_v0_9_0&utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_update&utm_term=cs

[transam]

48 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Every year the politicians attend memorials or stand in parliament and express their eternal praise and gratitude for the armed forces.

Every year those same politicians vote to deny some miltary veterans uprating on all the pension components of their state pension.

Anyone who would attempt to ridicule the situation should be hanging their head in shame.

 

https://www.change.org/p/prime-minister-meet-with-my-99-year-old-ww2-veteran-mum-fighting-to-end-frozen-pensions/u/33061322?cs_tk=A3pmQq8wR_hGDGIwS2cAAXicyyvNyQEABF8BvGRiNWI5YjZhYTAzZGI0NGY3NmU0ZmQwZjc3ODI3Y2NkMjczNWFhNzNmZTYyNTk1NmRmOTY1ZDUxNjFmMTBkOTg%3D&utm_campaign=b2ab8bc8671d4bc290ec5607dceb1bf6&utm_content=initial_v0_9_0&utm_medium=email&utm_source=petition_update&utm_term=cs

So, what's that to do with me or the crack-down on fraudsters thread......

 

Start your own thread chap, on the subject................

[Bobthegimp]

My friend from Manchester said that the British government is setting up an online portal in Thailand so people can rat out UK pension "cheats".  There might even be financial incentives, and you don't have to be from the UK to collect them. 

[jori123]

On 11/15/2024 at 10:11 AM, Surasak said:

Yes, a stay in hospital could affect the allowance. To my knowledge the payments are reduced after a two week stay, and the reduce per week. Not sure of the lowest amount they will continue payments.

wrong

[hotandsticky]

On 11/23/2024 at 5:27 PM, transam said:

Denying what, that the UK state pension is actually a benefit,  

 

 

Titled a benefit but treated differently.

[jori123]

On 11/23/2024 at 9:32 AM, sandyf said:

Your link was from 2016 and far from credible. The government wants people to believe the "state pension" is a single entity and you have fallen for it.

It may come as a suprprise to you but the injustice from previous years has not been wiped out by the changes in 2016.

Those that contracted out get the proceeds from their second state pension NI contributions paid out as part of an occupational or private pension, index linked world wide. They do not want to acknowledge the discrimination that was perpretrated by that arrangement.

Everyone is perfectly free to support the discrimination, but the hypocrisy lies in denying it.

 

 

 

To be honest (officially )  I did quite well on the SERPS and graduated pensions add on, think it upped the OAP by a third
Its  stated time after time their "crackdown" is on UC and means tested benefits, nothing about so called fraud, if ever there was a fraud on OAP.    Yes thankfully its going to bite, can see place like Bradford, Blackburn, Rotherham being decimated

    I think the compounding on unfrozen pensions is wonderful, or not so with AN Other    Imagine 10, 11 ,12 years here and saying goodbye to TH. The unfrozen gets a brown envelope ,sack more than likely, on exit from TH with £30,000 in it,   frozen get an empty fag packet

 

Put this up in another thread, still the same vein tho

 

If a OAP lives permanently in frozen country and receives unfrozen pension   is that fraud?
Copilot
If an OAP (Old Age Pensioner) resides permanently in a frozen country and receives an unfrozen pension, it is not inherently fraudulent. Let me explain:     DWP will not answer, but A1 will

"Has anybody ever been sanctioned/punished for receiving OAP in frozen countries?
Copilot
As of my last knowledge update, the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) in the UK has not prosecuted nor sanctioned individuals for receiving an unfrozen Old Age Pension (OAP). However, there have been instances where the DWP identified underpayments and took corrective action.

Here’s some context:

State Pension Underpayments Investigation:
In 2020, the DWP became aware of married, widowed, and over-80 individuals who had not received their State Pension increases as required by law.

 

    25 pence extra when hitting 80
Not only but also  OAP is not sanctionable/punishable and a disqualifying benefit    untouchable 

Edited 5 hours ago by jori123

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[jori123]

18 minutes ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Titled a benefit but treated differently.

 

There are actually several types of benefits in the UK, and they can be broadly categorized into two main types:

1. Contributory Benefits: These are based on National Insurance (NI) contributions. Examples include:

   • State Pension: Payment made to those who have reached State Pension age and have enough NI contributions.

   • Contribution-Based Employment and Support Allowance (ESA): For people who are unable to work due to illness or disability, based on NI contributions.

   • Bereavement Support Payment: Provided to the spouses, civil partners, or dependents of deceased contributors.

2. Non-Contributory Benefits: These are not based on NI contributions and are often means-tested, considering the individual's income and savings. Examples include:

   • Universal Credit: For individuals on a low income or out of work.

   • Housing Benefit: To help with rent payments.

   • Pension Credit: For pensioners on a low income.

   • Income Support: For those on a low income who are not required to look for work.

   • Disability Living Allowance (DLA)/Personal Independence Payment (PIP): Financial support for those with disabilities.

These benefits are designed to provide financial support for different needs and circumstances. If you have any specific questions about a particular benefit, feel free to ask!

[Surasak]

10 hours ago, jori123 said:

wrong

Prove it!

[transam]

11 hours ago, hotandsticky said:

 

 

Titled a benefit but treated differently.

I would have thought all benefits are treated differently..............🤗

[petermik]

12 hours ago, Bobthegimp said:

My friend from Manchester said that the British government is setting up an online portal in Thailand so people can rat out UK pension "cheats".  There might even be financial incentives, and you don't have to be from the UK to collect them. 

Bob....be honest....you aint got friends anywhere.

[PremiumLane]

They should go after tax dogging corporations and the mega-wealthy - they are real fraudsters 

[jori123]

It is reported that up to 350,000 people in the Birmingham area are set to lose their benefits, having been transitioned to Universal Credit. Unfortunately, they are unable to access the necessary paperwork due to language barriers. What a damned shame

[DonniePeverley]

Met another grumpy Brit who was whinging about foreigners about foreigners coming to the UK, taking all the jobs at the same time also claiming all the money benefits (it made sense to him). I then asked him what he was up to this weekend for the fireworks, he tells he's going to Manila as he's registered his address there. 

 

Shocking. 

 

Nothing but scamming the system. Anyone caught doing this should have their pensions shut down.

[sandyf]

On 11/25/2024 at 9:50 PM, jori123 said:

 

To be honest (officially )  I did quite well on the SERPS and graduated pensions add on, think it upped the OAP by a third
Its  stated time after time their "crackdown" is on UC and means tested benefits, nothing about so called fraud, if ever there was a fraud on OAP.    Yes thankfully its going to bite, can see place like Bradford, Blackburn, Rotherham being decimated

    I think the compounding on unfrozen pensions is wonderful, or not so with AN Other    Imagine 10, 11 ,12 years here and saying goodbye to TH. The unfrozen gets a brown envelope ,sack more than likely, on exit from TH with £30,000 in it,   frozen get an empty fag packet

 

Put this up in another thread, still the same vein tho

 

If a OAP lives permanently in frozen country and receives unfrozen pension   is that fraud?
Copilot
If an OAP (Old Age Pensioner) resides permanently in a frozen country and receives an unfrozen pension, it is not inherently fraudulent. Let me explain:     DWP will not answer, but A1 will

"Has anybody ever been sanctioned/punished for receiving OAP in frozen countries?
Copilot
As of my last knowledge update, the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) in the UK has not prosecuted nor sanctioned individuals for receiving an unfrozen Old Age Pension (OAP). However, there have been instances where the DWP identified underpayments and took corrective action.

Here’s some context:

State Pension Underpayments Investigation:
In 2020, the DWP became aware of married, widowed, and over-80 individuals who had not received their State Pension increases as required by law.

 

    25 pence extra when hitting 80
Not only but also  OAP is not sanctionable/punishable and a disqualifying benefit    untouchable 

Edited 5 hours ago by jori123

•  

Indeed.Some have become fixated on the 2016 reforms that turned the state pension into a single tier arrangement. They seem to think the previous years also became a single tier arrangement under those reforms.

Following the 1975 pension reforms the politicians had allowed themselves and a selct part of the population to take money that should have gone to the national insurance fund and put it into their own workplace pensions. I doubt it was coincidence that this came at a time the UK was experiencing the highest inflation rates in it's history. The arrangement quickly came to an end when investment returns became much lower, with the government issuing the COPE guarantee.

Those that opted out of the government additional state pension scheme are now receiving their additional state pension as part of an NI enhanced workplace or private pension,  which is effectively indexed linked worldwide and for some protected by the DTA.

Your comment that you did quite well from SERPS is a bit speculative. The government has never revealed how much individuals paid into the additional pension schemes so no way of knowing how it compared to the returns of a private scheme.

In 1988 when contracting out was widened to greater part of the population the government even started bribing people with taxpayers money to opt out the additional state pension scheme.

 

Until 1988, people could only contract out if they were members of a defined benefit (DB) occupational pension scheme. In 1988, the government extended this to defined contribution (DC) or money purchase occupational schemes and personal pensions.

For the first five years of the scheme, the government paid an extra 2% of your earnings into your personal pension. By 1992, more than 5 million people had left Serps for a personal pension. https://www.which.co.uk/money/pensions-and-retirement/state-pension/what-was-contracting-out-ascMg4t2I7Hk

[jori123]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

Indeed.Some have become fixated on the 2016 reforms that turned the state pension into a single tier arrangement. They seem to think the previous years also became a single tier arrangement under those reforms.

Following the 1975 pension reforms the politicians had allowed themselves and a selct part of the population to take money that should have gone to the national insurance fund and put it into their own workplace pensions. I doubt it was coincidence that this came at a time the UK was experiencing the highest inflation rates in it's history. The arrangement quickly came to an end when investment returns became much lower, with the government issuing the COPE guarantee.

Those that opted out of the government additional state pension scheme are now receiving their additional state pension as part of an NI enhanced workplace or private pension,  which is effectively indexed linked worldwide and for some protected by the DTA.

Your comment that you did quite well from SERPS is a bit speculative. The government has never revealed how much individuals paid into the additional pension schemes so no way of knowing how it compared to the returns of a private scheme.

In 1988 when contracting out was widened to greater part of the population the government even started bribing people with taxpayers money to opt out the additional state pension scheme.

 

Until 1988, people could only contract out if they were members of a defined benefit (DB) occupational pension scheme. In 1988, the government extended this to defined contribution (DC) or money purchase occupational schemes and personal pensions.

For the first five years of the scheme, the government paid an extra 2% of your earnings into your personal pension. By 1992, more than 5 million people had left Serps for a personal pension. https://www.which.co.uk/money/pensions-and-retirement/state-pension/what-was-contracting-out-ascMg4t2I7Hk

 

    ...all that too.    If you were in the forces, write to the veterans minister  at m o d,  those guys will turn water into wine for you, from signing up to the grave ,so they state.  Possibly  get you unfrozen.  They also state u have done your bit for the country ,now its our turn to help you.   Thank You

 

  Never understood Graduated or Serps,only when I retired it sure put the OAP up

[jori123]

On 11/25/2024 at 3:36 AM, transam said:

So, what's that to do with me or the crack-down on fraudsters thread......

 

Start your own thread chap, on the subject................

  

  You are the only one who knows anything about people being "done"  the only one mind.   Please tell about the Scottish guy who was caught with his pants down ?

[transam]

Just now, jori123 said:

  

  You are the only one who knows anything about people being "done"  the only one mind.   Please tell about the Scottish guy who was caught with his pants down ?

You have a short memory or are lying again, a member of STAFF here told about a friend being done, and others.

'Scottish guy', I have no idea what you are talking about, your last effort was from 4+ years back...😂

 

Now, izod10, if you want to post rollox regarding me, provide a post link.....🤔

[DonniePeverley]

On 11/25/2024 at 2:08 PM, Bobthegimp said:

My friend from Manchester said that the British government is setting up an online portal in Thailand so people can rat out UK pension "cheats".  There might even be financial incentives, and you don't have to be from the UK to collect them. 

 

 

Will get onto this. 

 

The level of old racists here heading to Phillippines once a year - very easy to spot whats going on.

 

Cancel their pensions.