UK Pensioners in Thailand Face New Scrutiny Over Pension Fraud

[transam]

4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Was your 'chum' convicted in a court of law?

If not, just more of your nonsense.

No, they put what they know to him, if you are bang to rights you can pay the 1000 quid fine, if you deny it and go to court that is your option, probably at your own expense.

 

My chum did not pay the 1000 quid fine because he/they proved he had a brain operation, and they didn't know about locked pension as his sister in the UK did all his paperwork, he couldn't. I have since done his paperwork for many years to keep him out of trouble..

 

My chums friend had similar, but he knew he was on the fiddle, he paid the 1000 quid and now lives in the UK...

Though this was years back now, but as I said, if you know it all, great, but don't dismiss actual facts, eh...🤗 

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5 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

That little sentence that says " You also risk having to pay a penalty or may have legal action taken against you "

 

Is a misprint and shouldn't have been written 😀😀

 

There will be a few confused faces when State Pension payments are suddenly suspended 

I find it difficult to believe some on here dismiss the DWP written, printed warnings......😋

[BritManToo]

9 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

That little sentence that says " You also risk having to pay a penalty or may have legal action taken against you "

Is a misprint and shouldn't have been written 😀😀

There will be a few confused faces when State Pension payments are suddenly suspended 

I'd prefer the sentence to be more accurate and say ..........

"You also risk having to pay a penalty or may have legal action taken against you, but you would be the first"

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19 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

Was your 'chum' convicted in a court of law?

If not, just more of your nonsense.

Oh, answer this, if you are in the UK paying tax, and you send your tax return in late, what happens..?

 

Do they fine you 100 quid on the spot...?

 

They did many years back when I was there.........🤭

 

So, a fiddle pension is waaay more serious than a late tax return, eh..

[BritManToo]

23 minutes ago, transam said:

No, they put what they know to him, if you are bang to rights you can pay the 1000 quid fine, if you deny it and go to court that is your option, probably at your own expense.

 

My chum did not pay the 1000 quid fine because he/they proved he had a brain operation, and they didn't know about locked pension as his sister in the UK did all his paperwork, he couldn't. I have since done his paperwork for many years to keep him out of trouble..

 

My chums friend had similar, but he knew he was on the fiddle, he paid the 1000 quid and now lives in the UK...

Though this was years back now, but as I said, if you know it all, great, but don't dismiss actual facts, eh...🤗 

You are never 'bang to rights' ........ always deny, always go to court if they insist.

That's my policy, and I win every time, mostly the other side caves, but the two that didn't resulted in 1 win against the law society (disagreement over solicitors fees settled in my favour), 1 win against the police (7,000 pounds compensation paid to me).

 

The interesting thing about the UK police, they often start court proceedings then don't turn up to the court, so you win by default without needing any evidence.

 

[BritManToo]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

Oh, answer this, if you are in the UK paying tax, and you send your tax return in late, what happens..?

(Off topic) But can't really answer,

The only times I filled in a tax return was to claim money back (3x), I've always been taxed at source with no other income. So no tax returns ever required, unless I have an allowance and don't want to wait until next year to get it back.

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Just now, BritManToo said:

You are never 'bang to rights' ........ always deny, always go to court if they insist.

That's my policy, and I win every time, mostly the other side caves, but the two that didn't resulted in 1 win against the law society (disagreement over solicitors fees settled in my favour), 1 win against the police (7,000 pounds compensation paid to me).

 

😂......Then you have nothing about, eh..........😂

The Gov from January 2025 have wasted their money with their new powers too.......😂

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4 minutes ago, BritManToo said:

(Off topic) But can't really answer,

The only times I filled in a tax return was to claim money back (3x), I've always been taxed at source with no other income. So no tax returns ever required, unless I have an allowance and don't want to wait until next year to get it back.

I was Self-employed, late tax return, fine........

 

https://www.gov.uk/self-assessment-tax-returns/penalties

[BritManToo]

5 minutes ago, transam said:

😂......Then you have nothing about, eh..........😂

The Gov from January 2025 have wasted their money with their new powers too.......😂

I know of no new powers granted in 2024, and we aren't in 2025 for another month.

They may get new powers at some time in the future, but unlike you, I don't claim to know the future.

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1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I know of no new powers granted in 2024, and we aren't in 2025 for another month.

They may get new powers at some time in the future, but unlike you, I don't claim to know the future.

Obviously, you don't know your possible future......🤕

[BritManToo]

11 minutes ago, transam said:

Obviously, you don't know your possible future......🤕

I'm 70, and fairly sure I know my personal future ......... death.

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1 minute ago, BritManToo said:

I'm 70, and fairly sure I know my personal future ......... death.

Don't worry, the DWP gave up hanging a long time ago..............😁

[Captain Flack]

A troll post has been removed.

 

@Bobthegimp this is the news section and not a place for you adolescent troll post nonsense, continue and accept a time out.

[jori123]

6 hours ago, transam said:

Link please, we all KNOW you doctor stuff............

See you this afternoon, think you are now 7 hours behind us here...😋

Link please, more like a parrot   link link link    lol    why not go right into the subject to read, some people do not open links and as you full know ,links  are not always possible, but then you would know that, keeps painful memories (for you)  at bay

 

  Its a bum steer you have been on all these years, an absolute bum steer.  Losing £60 000 quid, at least, Christmas bonuses, winter fuel allowance and now your likened to the Titanic, but its that never ending sinking feeling you have coupled with absolute jealousy, envy disbelief, spite, jealousy, anger plus plus plus,never ends for you   lol   lol

 

  Obv   you are hoping the Benefits shake up is going to effect the OAPs........news for you...It ain't

 

  Could light a fire with all the bunce being received?  lol   You?  could not even wipe your own arse with the amount of fivers (not) received

[jori123]

6 hours ago, The Cyclist said:

 

You need to add in addition to being dead, a reason to believe that fraud is being committyed, any number of other offences are being committed and State Pension can be suspended until investigated and all found to be in order.

 

You would be hard pushed to prove malfeasance when it comes to the protection of Public Funds, far less be sacked for it.

 

 

Perhaps the question you should ask yourself. Is it possible that lazy Government employees could be incentivised to highlight possible fraudulent claims.

 

The second part of that nonsense, is that it will not be lazy Government employees that are doing the actual investigations, it will be a team of accountants.

 

The current UK Government, is in a bit of a financial pickle, even before the last Budget works its way through the system. Desperation measures will be introduced in time for the new Financial year.

 

As always, you are free to believe whatever you like, and that nothing will have a direct on you.

The problem with you sunshine, is this you do not have a clue on DWP regulations.

   

  Read them up instead of wandering off in some dream state. There are no stoppages enforced or otherwise,(excepting PoL)  which unfrozen will not receive    Receiving unfrozen OAP pension in TH is not fraudulent ,and I might add, if it were ,no action would be undertaken, ANA freezing  

[jori123]

3 hours ago, transam said:

I find it difficult to believe some on here dismiss the DWP written, printed warnings......😋

I find it even harder that people do not read DWP printed information ,(warnings too ) that do not effect OAP pensions

[The Cyclist]

7 minutes ago, jori123 said:

The problem with you sunshine

 

Am I meant to be scared ?

[jori123]

3 hours ago, transam said:

Oh, answer this, if you are in the UK paying tax, and you send your tax return in late, what happens..?

 

Do they fine you 100 quid on the spot...?

 

They did many years back when I was there.........🤭

 

So, a fiddle pension is waaay more serious than a late tax return, eh..

 

" so a fiddle pension is waaaay more serious than late tax return eh "🤪

 

Where did this gem come from?   a clue?,   go on a clue  LOL 

[Will B Good]

6 minutes ago, jori123 said:

 

" so a fiddle pension is waaaay more serious than late tax return eh "🤪

 

Where did this gem come from?   a clue?,   go on a clue  LOL 

 

Is none of this correct?

 

1. Legal Consequences

 

Claiming to live in the UK while residing in a different country where the pension is frozen constitutes fraud or misrepresentation. Specific legal repercussions include:

• Prosecution for Fraud:

• Under the Fraud Act 2006, providing false information to the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) is a criminal offense.

• Penalties may include:

• A criminal record.

• Fines or repayment of falsely claimed pension increases.

• Imprisonment (typically for severe cases of fraud).

• Investigation by the DWP or HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC):

• The DWP routinely monitors pension claims and may conduct investigations, especially if they suspect fraud.

• Data sharing between countries under reciprocal agreements can reveal discrepancies in residency.

 

 

2. Financial Consequences

 

If the fraud is discovered, the pensioner may face:

• Repayment of Overpaid Pension:

• The DWP will demand the repayment of any overpaid pension resulting from incorrect residency claims.

• This can include years of back payments, leading to significant financial hardship.

• Loss of Pension Rights:

• The DWP may suspend or terminate pension payments entirely if fraud is proven.

• No Future Increases:

• If found to be residing in a “frozen” country, the pension will revert to the level it was when the person left the UK, without further increases.

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48 minutes ago, jori123 said:

Link please, more like a parrot   link link link    lol    why not go right into the subject to read, some people do not open links and as you full know ,links  are not always possible, but then you would know that, keeps painful memories (for you)  at bay

 

  Its a bum steer you have been on all these years, an absolute bum steer.  Losing £60 000 quid, at least, Christmas bonuses, winter fuel allowance and now your likened to the Titanic, but its that never ending sinking feeling you have coupled with absolute jealousy, envy disbelief, spite, jealousy, anger plus plus plus,never ends for you   lol   lol

 

  Obv   you are hoping the Benefits shake up is going to effect the OAPs........news for you...It ain't

 

  Could light a fire with all the bunce being received?  lol   You?  could not even wipe your own arse with the amount of fivers (not) received

😂..........Oh dear, you're up early, has your central heating packed up, or early start to learn how to post a link...........😂

Keep trying, Google is your friend, though in your case, perhaps not.................😂

[jori123]

Non sanctionable /disqualifying ....non apply

 

  With all that you would think somebody in this wide world would have been sanctioned     Nobody has or ever will

[jori123]

13 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Is none of this correct?

 

1. Legal Consequences

 

Claiming to live in the UK while residing in a different country where the pension is frozen constitutes fraud or misrepresentation. Specific legal repercussions include:

• Prosecution for Fraud:

• Under the Fraud Act 2006, providing false information to the Department for Work and Pensions (DWP) is a criminal offense.

• Penalties may include:

• A criminal record.

• Fines or repayment of falsely claimed pension increases.

• Imprisonment (typically for severe cases of fraud).

• Investigation by the DWP or HM Revenue & Customs (HMRC):

• The DWP routinely monitors pension claims and may conduct investigations, especially if they suspect fraud.

• Data sharing between countries under reciprocal agreements can reveal discrepancies in residency.

 

 

2. Financial Consequences

 

If the fraud is discovered, the pensioner may face:

• Repayment of Overpaid Pension:

• The DWP will demand the repayment of any overpaid pension resulting from incorrect residency claims.

• This can include years of back payments, leading to significant financial hardship.

• Loss of Pension Rights:

• The DWP may suspend or terminate pension payments entirely if fraud is proven.

• No Future Increases:

• If found to be residing in a “frozen” country, the pension will revert to the level it was when the person left the UK, without further increases.

if it is a non sanctioned or disqualifying benefit

 

If a benefit is non-sanctionable or disqualifying, it means that even if there is an issue with your claim, your benefit won't be reduced or stopped

 

  Go on tell,  was this picked up from a Click Baited story piece you have recently picked up on,  ? go on tell

[The Cyclist]

5 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

Is none of this correct?

 

1. Legal Consequences

 

Claiming to live in the UK while residing in a different country where the pension is frozen constitutes fraud or misrepresentation. Specific legal repercussions include:

• Prosecution for Fraud:

 

No, not in the minds of the deluded.

 

I did try and educate them on fraud.

 

I did try and educate on the implications of the tansfer code ????? / DWP / ?????
 

You cannot educate pork.

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16 minutes ago, jori123 said:

 

" so a fiddle pension is waaaay more serious than late tax return eh "🤪

 

Where did this gem come from?   a clue?,   go on a clue  LOL 

Are you saying that filing a late tax return form, where the fine is 100 quid, is more serious than fiddling, stealing, 60,000 quid from the DWP, that figure is from you..........?   🤭

 

Sensible answer only ..............🤕................🤭

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4 minutes ago, jori123 said:

if it is a non sanctioned or disqualifying benefit

 

If a benefit is non-sanctionable or disqualifying, it means that even if there is an issue with your claim, your benefit won't be reduced or stopped

From DWP form for those living abroad below, is this form right or wrong, is it a false information form...................Tell all............

 

[transam]

6 minutes ago, The Cyclist said:

 

No, not in the minds of the deluded.

 

I did try and educate them on fraud.

 

I did try and educate on the implications of the tansfer code ????? / DWP / ?????
 

You cannot educate pork.

You are just a troll, chap, and common knowledge here...........

[Will B Good]

12 minutes ago, jori123 said:

if it is a non sanctioned or disqualifying benefit

 

If a benefit is non-sanctionable or disqualifying, it means that even if there is an issue with your claim, your benefit won't be reduced or stopped

 

  Go on tell,  was this picked up from a Click Baited story piece you have recently picked up on,  ? go on tell

 

Not sure why you are being so prickly about this.....it is of genuine concern to me.

 

It was a response from a internet query I posted.

 

So ignoring the above, what you are saying is the the UK State pension non-sactionable so it can't be reduced or stopped?

 

Presumably though it can be reduced to the "correct" amount as opposed to reduced even further to be a form of financial punishment?

[jori123]

2 minutes ago, transam said:

Are you saying that filing a late tax return form, where the fine is 100 quid, is more serious than fiddling, stealing, 60,000 quid from the DWP, that figure is from you..........?   🤭

 

Sensible answer only ..............🤕................🤭

With you lol  lol  impossible  lol  lol  

 

   But DWP regulations do come into the perspective here,( or not in your case), hopefully you will stick with your understanding and be kept frozen pension as all the extra bunce comes my way

  

  By the way  new PP arrived today, after Xmas I think on return      I do receive extra £200 a week, here mostly tax free along with full OAP, and I might add gold plated public sector pension too, yes warm, very warm, that and all the the good food (not in TH) puts me off actually, on  return  lol  that and all those storms 

[jori123]

2 minutes ago, Will B Good said:

 

Not sure why you are being so prickly about this.....it is of genuine concern to me.

 

It was a response from a internet query I posted.

 

So ignoring the above, what you are saying is the the UK State pension non-sactionable so it can't be reduced or stopped?

 

Presumably though it can be reduced to the "correct" amount as opposed to reduced even further to be a form of financial punishment?

If it was a really genuine concern to you ,think if Id read up on DWP regulations,  go on ,its a good read

 

  Give me the source of your internet query ?   lol   go on show it    Could it be the Pattaya Times    lol

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1 minute ago, jori123 said:

If it was a really genuine concern to you ,think if Id read up on DWP regulations,  go on ,its a good read

 

  Give me the source of your internet query ?   lol   go on show it    Could it be the Pattaya Times    lol

How about you posting genuine DWP links............😉