Europe Braces for Escalation: Germany Mobilizes NATO Troops Amid Putin's Nuclear Threats

[metisdead]

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[transam]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

There is thick, and then there is you

Indeed, correct, those who are 'thick', westerners who support Putin's invasion of a free sovereign nation, then there is me, and most who think like me regarding the appalling murdering regime that you support.. 

[transam]

A few interesting interviews from folk in the know from the Western perspective.......😉

 

For the Western wannabe trainee Putin cadets here, worth listening to......😉

 

 

 

 

[jas007]

I won't be so quick to believe any of the Western propaganda.  

[transam]

6 minutes ago, jas007 said:

I won't be so quick to believe any of the Western propaganda.  

Weeeeeeell, for certain Western countries do not believe Russian propaganda, after all, NATO was formed in 1949, guess why.........................😉

[jas007]

3 hours ago, transam said:

Weeeeeeell, for certain Western countries do not believe Russian propaganda, after all, NATO was formed in 1949, guess why.........................😉

This isn't 1949, in case you missed that little detail. Moreover, neither the USA nor the entirety of NATO has the military capacity to fight a prolonged ground war against Russia.  The war would escalate, as wars always do, and Western  Europe's capital cities would be obliterated.. Paris, London, Berlin, Warsaw, and various military targets. They would all be gone in less than 30 minutes. 

 

What you don't seem to understand that it's not a question of right or wrong.  You can be right and still end up dead. Russia perceives an existential threat and it will respond accordingly.  Ukraine NATO membership and the Russia-speaking areas of Ukraine are not worth sacrificing the lives of hundreds of millions of people. Billions, perhaps, if things get out of hand. 

[transam]

4 minutes ago, jas007 said:

This isn't 1949, in case you missed that little detail. Moreover, neither the USA nor the entirety of NATO has the military capacity to fight a prolonged ground war against Russia.  The war would escalate, as wars always do, and Western  Europe's capital cities would be obliterated.. Paris, London, Berlin, Warsaw, and various military targets. They would all be gone in less than 30 minutes. 

 

What you don't seem to understand that it's not a question of right or wrong.  You can be right and still end up dead. Russia perceives an existential threat and it will respond accordingly.  Ukraine NATO membership and the Russia-speaking areas of Ukraine are not worth sacrificing the lives of hundreds of millions of people. Billions, perhaps, if things get out of hand. 

What threat did they have after WWII to cause the instigation of NATO.........🤭

 

If Putin used nukes, he would also cause the obliteration of his own dictatorship, and he knows it, he also knows that he is a marked target by his own people, given the chance, as too many important folk have been taken out.....

[jas007]

16 minutes ago, transam said:

What threat did they have after WWII to cause the instigation of NATO.........🤭

 

If Putin used nukes, he would also cause the obliteration of his own dictatorship, and he knows it, he also knows that he is a marked target by his own people, given the chance, as too many important folk have been taken out.....

You need to study up a little bit on the MAD doctrine and game theory.  It's all pretty much International Relations 101. It all makes sense if everyone involved is a rational actor.  Today, rational actors seem to be in short supply. If Putin, for example, were to perceive a threat of a potential first strike by an irrational actor, he might be tempted to do his own first strike.  Use your nukes or lose them.  It's all nuts at this point.  Delusional people are currently running America. 

[Tailwagsdog]

On 11/22/2024 at 7:13 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

When I read insulting posts like yours it makes me realise that I am probably superior to at least one person on the planet.

Hurry up and enlist in the Russian army they are offering sacks of roubles for superior talented geniuses like yourself ...please

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Tailwagsdog said:

Hurry up and enlist in the Russian army they are offering sacks of roubles for superior talented geniuses like yourself ...please

Pathetic or what? I'm on record on here saying I'm against the war, ergo why would I support either side?

Posters that are particularly vocal about supporting Ukraine might want to join them though. They might even make it to the front lines before the end happens. Likely on January 21.

Even better, the guys in Kursk need all the help they can get before they are wiped out.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, jas007 said:

You need to study up a little bit on the MAD doctrine and game theory.  It's all pretty much International Relations 101. It all makes sense if everyone involved is a rational actor.  Today, rational actors seem to be in short supply. If Putin, for example, were to perceive a threat of a potential first strike by an irrational actor, he might be tempted to do his own first strike.  Use your nukes or lose them.  It's all nuts at this point.  Delusional people are currently running America. 

Given the entire idea that one side or the other has the ability to eliminate the planet as a host for humanity and most other species is insane in itself, so why expect politicians to be rational, when faced with the ultimate insanity?

If the Vogons had to decide if humanity is worth saving, or being exterminated as a threat to the galaxy, I wonder what they would decide?