When Willful Ignorance is a Way of Life

[metisdead]

A number of posts and replies with personal insults have been removed.

[HappyExpat57]

58 minutes ago, Wuvu2 said:

 

From the moment Biden got elected it was obvious the next republican candidate would be from the MAGAverse. Top priority from day one should have been the identification of a next-generation centrist democrat who had some chance of re-uniting the country. That should have been the DNC's job to make it happen. 

 

I'm old and don't have children, so I'm going to stop worrying about politics and just hope the Social Security checks keep coming  😊

I'm honestly worried about my pension. I think back how the Greek government bent their retirees over and slammed it home, no lube, with their austerity programs. My pension is linked to Social Security and these asshats implementing their DOGE garbage ideas haven't a clue. Ramaswamy was floating the idea of firing every civil servant whose social security number ended in an odd number, and they've been salivating over privatizing Social Security ever since Reagan started using the fund like it was his personal piggy bank.. THESE are the best we can hire?!?

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, HappyExpat57 said:

I'm honestly worried about my pension. I think back how the Greek government bent their retirees over and slammed it home, no lube, with their austerity programs. My pension is linked to Social Security and these asshats implementing their DOGE garbage ideas haven't a clue. Ramaswamy was floating the idea of firing every civil servant whose social security number ended in an odd number, and they've been salivating over privatizing Social Security ever since Reagan started using the fund like it was his personal piggy bank.. THESE are the best we can hire?!?

This is what happens when hype triumphs over reason. The money has to come from somewhere to pay for the tax cuts Trump is promising.

 

In Australia, any conservative government that tries to mess with welfare gets a bloody nose from the voters at the next election.

 

In America, the turkeys voted for Christmas. It's coming.

[rasg]

22 hours ago, Lacessit said:

Trump is going to impose tariffs of 25% on imports from Canada and Mexico, from Day One. 35% on imports from China.

 

I would like an intelligent Trump supporter to explain to me the following:

 

1/ How this policy will not cause the cost of living to rise in America, with consequent inflation.

 

2/ How this policy will not provoke retaliatory actions from those countries, making American exports less competitive.

The tariffs on Mexico an Canada will only be there until they close their sides of the border. Tariffs are just one of Trump's favourite negotiating tools and they will work in this case.

[Lacessit]

13 minutes ago, rasg said:

The tariffs on Mexico an Canada will only be there until they close their sides of the border. Tariffs are just one of Trump's favourite negotiating tools and they will work in this case.

I guess you haven't caught up with Mexico and Canada's threats of retaliation.

 

https://www.thenewdaily.com.au/news/world/us-news/trump-news/2024/11/27/mexico-trade-tariff-response

 

How do you know tariffs will work? IIRC Trump's tariffs on China resulted in American farmers losing massive amounts of market share to other countries, and I don't recall the Mexicans paying one cent towards Trump's wall.

[stevenl]

2 hours ago, rasg said:

The tariffs on Mexico an Canada will only be there until they close their sides of the border. Tariffs are just one of Trump's favourite negotiating tools and they will work in this case.

Good to hear there's no demand for fentanyl and cheap labor in the US 

[Yellowtail]

On 11/27/2024 at 8:14 AM, Lacessit said:

34 counts of falsifying business records.

Because when he reimbursed his lawyer for arraigning a perfectly legal non-disclosure agreement, his bookkeeper listed it as a legal expense. 

[Yellowtail]

19 hours ago, Lacessit said:

This is what happens when hype triumphs over reason. The money has to come from somewhere to pay for the tax cuts Trump is promising.

 

In Australia, any conservative government that tries to mess with welfare gets a bloody nose from the voters at the next election.

 

In America, the turkeys voted for Christmas. It's coming.

What tax cuts are Trump promising? You have no idea, do you? 

[Yellowtail]

16 hours ago, stevenl said:

Good to hear there's no demand for fentanyl and cheap labor in the US 

You support fentanyl and cheap labor? 

[bubblegum]

On 11/25/2024 at 5:03 PM, Walker88 said:

To start out, I am no fan of the President Elect. Let me politely and with feigned respect call him PE, for brevity’s sake, plus so that my ears and eyes do not hurt hearing or seeing his name, and my tongue does not catch fire by saying it. Yes, all are welcome to call my feeling by some fictitious syndrome, if that gives people orgasmic bliss (especially the Incels, as that’s the best they can get orgasmically, unless they opt for onanism or pay for a tryst). All are welcome to wallow in their own ignorance, like dinosaurs ignoring the coming asteroid. While I could probably top "War and Peace" in terms of how long a tome I could write on why I have nothing but contempt for the guy, I will keep it as simple as possible: it is his willful ignorance that disturbs me the most.

 

Case in point: the guy has no clue what government does, nor does he care. I guess he’s also the Poster Child for the Dunning Kreuger Effect, because he thinks he knows everything he needs to know, plus how to make it better. We’ve all heard him say a hundred times, “Nobody knows more about [XXX] than I do”. I don’t know who this “Nobody” character is, but there must be billions of them, because even grade school kids know more than the PE about most everything.

 

The best illustrative example of where willful ignorance can bite you on the arse was written in a book and article by author and former Wall Street bond trader Michael Lewis. Back when 47 was merely 45, and much less dangerous than today, 45 fired the transition team set up by Chris Christie to introduce 45 and his Administration to the government behemoth they would soon be running. 45 thought---and actually stated---I can figure out how to run the government in an hour and a half. Funny he thought he could do that to a multi-trillion dollar entity employing millions and running everything from highways to the military to power generation to transportation, but he could never figure out how to run a profitable casino, where people literally stand in line to give you their money.

 

Coincidentally, I began writing this post just thinking about mistakes that might be made by aggressively shutting down agencies and firing people willy nilly, and the term ‘willful ignorance’ popped into my head. I then remembered articles written by Michael Lewis about PE Transition 1.0 in 2016 and searched them out. In the article to which I link at the end, there is this quote from Lewis:

 

“Here is where [the PE’s] willful ignorance plays a role. If your ambition is to maximize short-term gains without regard to the long-term cost, you are better off not knowing those costs. If you want to preserve your personal immunity to the hard problems, it’s better never to really understand those problems. There is a downside to knowledge. It makes life messier. It makes it a bit more difficult for a person who wishes to shrink the world to a worldview.” (We subsequently saw this in action when 45 downplayed and mishandled Covid......from February 26, 2020, then 45 said: "And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that's a pretty good job we've done." That's like congratulating yourself now for winning the next Super Bowl or World Cup.)

 

Lewis notes many seemingly necessary programs slashed in the 45 Administration, such as measures to enhance the electricity grid and protect it from cyber attack or national disaster, and cut all funding for research on climate change. Such things are when actions are driven not by knowledge or science, but merely by ideology or worldview. Lewis ends his Vanity Fair article with this:

 

“Indeed, if you are seeking to preserve a certain worldview, it actually helps to gut science. [45’s] budget, like the social forces behind it, is powered by a perverse desire—to remain ignorant. [45] didn’t invent this desire. He is just its ultimate expression.”

 

Let me rifle down to one example of just how willfully ignorant PE is and what effect it might have. 45 appointed Rick Perry, a guy I would guess has the IQ of a turnip, to run the Department of Energy in 2016. Recall that during the Republican primary of 2016, Perry had stated in a debate 3 government agencies he would close if he was elected President, although he couldn’t remember one he said should be closed, revealing himself to be the turnip he is. The one he could not remember in the debate was the Dept of Energy, an entity he was later appointed to run.

 

Now the mandate of the DoE is huge…unbeknownst to both Perry and the PE. They are in charge of everything from the electric grid to the US’ nuclear stockpile, A rational person would think it might be a good idea to keep an entity in charge of the nation’s power grid and its then-7800 nukes, but since “Nobody knows more about nukes than I do” (Yes, PE said that.), maybe rational people are not up to speed and should bow to PE’s 'encyclopedic knowledge'.

 

Now for a little history….back during WWII and the Manhattan Project, a facility was set up in Hanford, Washington to produce weapons grade plutonium, which was used in the bomb dropped on Nagasaki. The facility subsequently produced plutonium for upwards of 70,000 other nukes, most of which have been dismantled because of the various START treaties. That production generated a lot of dangerous radioactive and toxic chemical waste, some 56,000,000 gallons. It’s all still there, and there is a program costing $3 billion per year, both to keep it safe and clean it up. If this waste…which like the Hanford facility itself is on the banks of the Columbia River…made it into the wider environment, millions of people would get sick or die. If it made its way into the Pacific Ocean, forgetaboutit. Really dangerous, so it’s critical that the waste be monitored and cleaned up.

 

Guess which government agency is in charge of the Hanford waste? Yes, the very same Department of Energy PE’s Secretary Rick Perry wanted to close, with the approval of 45 himself. Just the Hanford program is 10% of the DoE’s yearly budget. Also note that Perry fell somewhat short of the credentials Obama’s SecEnergy---Ernest Moniz---brought to the table. Moniz has a Masters and PhD in theoretical physics from Stanford, and served as head of the Dept of Physics at MIT. He beats the turnip by a peck and a bushel. Moniz likely understood the risk much better than Perry or the PE.

 

Are even cult members beginning to see the danger of willful ignorance? That is just one part of one department in a sprawling government. How many other time bombs like Hanford exist in other departments and agencies?

 

Now we have the Elon and Vivek Show called DOGE, which is going to streamline government. Anybody think they will take the time to learn about Hanford waste-type issues hidden in other departments and agencies? Anybody? (Aside: Tesla released a beta version of its self-driving cars, but did not exactly get everything right. Musk said something on the order of “Well, you have to expect a few dishes to get broken along the way”. If your child gets killed because a Tesla ran a red light while the driver was munching Doritos in the back seat, I’m not sure that isn’t worse than a few broken dishes.)

 

Another part of PE’s plan is to make 50,000 Federal jobs political appointments, so that people can be fired at anytime for any reason. Anybody think each of those political appointments will be expert in things like handling 56,000,000 gallons of dangerous nuclear waste? Anybody? Or will they just be Friends of PE, such as major contributors or Fox Talking Heads or people who have said nice things about PE or bought a membership to Mar-a-Lago?

 

I have no doubt there is waste in government, and if a thoughtful and informed approach is taken, $billions could be saved. Unfortunately, “thoughtful and informed” and PE do not go together. An analogy can be taken from the first Ghostbusters movie, when the EPA guy ordered the Ghostbuster’s containment system to have its power shut down. All hell broke loose. Let’s hope life doesn’t imitate art.

 

The pressure is going to be there to do big things quickly. For the PE, everything is about the show, so he’ll want to produce one with great ratings early on, such as his plan for mass deportations and massive tariffs. Does anybody think a truly thorough analysis of all critical government departments and agencies will be carried out before people and monies such as those that keep the northwest safe from Hanford are slashed? Anybody?

 

With PE, his Dunning-Kreuger Effect Administration, Project 2025, etc., the odds are extremely high that there will be Hanfords that escape the cursory scrutiny of the bulls in the china shop, who will be PE’s team. We’re all going to pay a price for that, but as yet we don’t even know what that price might be. In Admin 2.0, there are no guardrails, but there is a certainty the PE knows everything. Dangerous.

 

Now go back to the willful ignorance that is the hallmark of everything PE and his cult.

 

Addendum: Michael Lewis wrote about the 2016 transition for Vanity Fair. It is written in Lewis’ usual entertaining style, and can be accessed here:

 

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2017/07/department-of-energy-risks-michael-lewis

 

 

 

To many words for Trumpers. 

[Yellowtail]

Just now, bubblegum said:

To many words for Trumpers. 

What do you think was the OP's most salient point? 

[bubblegum]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

What do you think was the OP's most salient point? 

Obviously that your dream team knows nothing about running a country. 

[BigStar]

22 hours ago, HappyExpat57 said:

My pension is linked to Social Security and these asshats implementing their DOGE garbage ideas haven't a clue.

 

Oh, the naïveté. As businessmen, they most definitely do, unlike Biden/Harris and the rest of the socialists. You see, if the gummint's bankrupt, as Biden/Harris has run up the debt, then you got NO social security.

 

The national debt has soared past $36 trillion.

 

"America is going bankrupt fast," Musk warned in another post.

 

"The excess government spending is what causes inflation! ALL government spending is taxation. This is a very important concept to appreciate. It is either direct taxation, like income tax, or indirect via inflation due to increasing the money supply," he asserted in a tweet earlier this month.

     --Elon Musk says there's substantial ignorance about America's national debt

 

[BigStar]

21 hours ago, Lacessit said:

This is what happens when hype triumphs over reason. The money has to come from somewhere to pay for the tax cuts Trump is promising.

 

And they'll use many ways of getting it, that fake news ignores.

[BigStar]

20 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I guess you haven't caught up with Mexico and Canada's threats of retaliation.

 

Mexico just caved on the border. Winning . . . 🙂 

[tubby johnson]

So you lost. Cry harder.

I'm enjoying my refreshing glass of Liberal Tears, and not reading your immature rant.

[Yellowtail]

14 hours ago, bubblegum said:

Obviously that your dream team knows nothing about running a country. 

Oh, he has a negative opinion of Trump,

[bubblegum]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

Oh, he has a negative opinion of Trump,

yes

[Yellowtail]

1 hour ago, bubblegum said:

yes

It wasn't a question. 

[gamb00ler]

On 11/26/2024 at 10:49 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

Of what crime has he been convicted?

is your Google broken?  NY state, porn star ... start there.  And then, NY state, definition, "convicted"

Edited 9 hours ago by gamb00ler

[Yellowtail]

9 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

is your Google broken?  NY state, porn star ... start there.  And then, NY state, definition, "convicted"

Oh, the misdemeanor bookkeeping charges that were brought because his accountant called payment for a non-disclosure agreement a legal fee? 

 

That has been dropped. 

[Liverpool Lou]

16 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

On 11/26/2024 at 10:49 PM, Liverpool Lou said:

Of what crime has he been convicted?

is your Google broken?  NY state, porn star ... start there.  And then, NY state, definition, "convicted"

Is your Google broken?  Remind me what the sentence was that was imposed for that case.

Edited 8 hours ago by Liverpool Lou

[Lacessit]

21 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

What tax cuts are Trump promising? You have no idea, do you? 

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/donald-trump-tax-plan-2024/

 

Has Trump been promoted to the royal we, or is your use of "are" just another example of a poor education in the English language?

[gamb00ler]

22 minutes ago, Liverpool Lou said:

Is your Google broken?  Remind me what the sentence was that was imposed for that case.

..... ahhhh.... you're one of those.. LOL

did you look up the definition NY state uses for the word conviction?  No?    you must be afraid to look.

Let me help you with your fear of Google:

https://www.nycourts.gov/courthelp/goingtocourt/glossary.shtml

 

Edited 8 hours ago by gamb00ler

[Yellowtail]

16 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

https://taxfoundation.org/research/all/federal/donald-trump-tax-plan-2024/

 

Has Trump been promoted to the royal we, or is your use of "are" just another example of a poor education in the English language?

 

What tax cuts are is Trump promising? You have no idea, do you? All you can do is post links to what other leftists say. You (like most leftists), look at taxes as a zero-sum game. 

 

The last tax cuts were great!

 

After Trump's last tax cut, about 95% of taxpayers paid less in taxes, tax revenues increased, "...and the share of taxes paid by the Top 1% of households increased while the tax burden paid by lower income earners decreased.

 

The truth is, the Trump tax cuts resulted in economic growth that was a full percentage point above CBO’s forecast, and federal revenues far outpaced the agency’s predictions. In fact, under Trump tax policies in 2022, tax revenues reached a record high of nearly $5 trillion, and revenues averaged $205 billion above CBO predictions for the four years following implementation of the law.

 

Despite CBO’s Predictions, Trump Tax Cuts Were a Boon for America’s Economy and Working Families | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, Yellowtail said:

 

What tax cuts are is Trump promising? You have no idea, do you? All you can do is post links to what other leftists say. You (like most leftists), look at taxes as a zero-sum game. 

 

The last tax cuts were great!

 

After Trump's last tax cut, about 95% of taxpayers paid less in taxes, tax revenues increased, "...and the share of taxes paid by the Top 1% of households increased while the tax burden paid by lower income earners decreased.

 

The truth is, the Trump tax cuts resulted in economic growth that was a full percentage point above CBO’s forecast, and federal revenues far outpaced the agency’s predictions. In fact, under Trump tax policies in 2022, tax revenues reached a record high of nearly $5 trillion, and revenues averaged $205 billion above CBO predictions for the four years following implementation of the law.

 

Despite CBO’s Predictions, Trump Tax Cuts Were a Boon for America’s Economy and Working Families | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

Dear me, just how gullible are you?

 

A House Budget Committee with a slew of Republicans writing the report, what else would you expect it to say?

 

All you can do is point to what Republicans, in thrall to Trump, would automatically say.

 

You conveniently omit to mention the US inflation rate in 2022 was 8%, Trump's poisoned chalice to Biden.

[gamb00ler]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

In fact, under Trump tax policies in 2022, tax revenues reached a record high of nearly $5 trillion, and revenues averaged $205 billion above CBO predictions for the four years following implementation of the law.

 

Despite CBO’s Predictions, Trump Tax Cuts Were a Boon for America’s Economy and Working Families | The U.S. House Committee on the Budget - House Budget Committee

From the first line of the article you linked:

 

House Budget Committee Chairman Jodey Arrington (R-TX) along with Ways and Means Committee Chairman Jason Smith (R-MO) issued the following statement

 

I don't think you could find a more partisan biased quote.   LOL

 

I can find a quote that says just the opposite:

 

The tax legislation that President Donald Trump signed in December 2017 significantly reduced federal revenues, with the largest tax cuts going to the richest Americans. Following the enactment of these tax cuts, federal revenues fell dramatically—as the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) and Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projected would occur at the time the law passed1—and they remain below projections of federal revenues made prior to their enactment.

 

from: https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-trump-tax-cuts-led-to-record-low-not-high-revenues-outside-of-a-recession/

 

The recent history of federal revenues can be found here:

https://www.thebalancemoney.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

 

Your use of 2022's revenues to show the power of 2017 tax cuts is hilarious.  The COVID stimulus payments, inflation and the strong post COVID recovery boosted those numbers greatly .  

 

You really need to step up your analysis (if any) of the filtered information you soak up.

 

Edited 6 hours ago by gamb00ler

[BigStar]

And a Happy Thanksgiving from Trump.😝 Note the inclusivity, so important to our libs.

 

Quote

Trump posted his Thanksgiving message to Truth Social on Thursday.

“Happy Thanksgiving to all, including to the Radical Left Lunatics who have worked so hard to destroy our Country, but who have miserably failed, and will always fail, because their ideas and policies are so hopelessly bad that the great people of our Nation just gave a landslide victory to those who want to MAKE AMERICA GREAT AGAIN!” Trump wrote. “Don’t worry, our Country will soon be respected, productive, fair, and strong, and you will be, more than ever before, proud to be an American!”

 

https://www.oann.com/newsroom/trump-wishes-everyone-including-radical-left-lunatics-a-happy-thanksgiving/

 

Hee. Gotta love it.

 

 

Edited 5 hours ago by BigStar

[Yellowtail]

59 minutes ago, gamb00ler said:

From the first line of the article you linked:

 

House Budget Committee Chairman Jodey Arrington (R-TX) along with Ways and Means Committee Chairman Jason Smith (R-MO) issued the following statement

 

I don't think you could find a more partisan biased quote.   LOL

 

I can find a quote that says just the opposite:

 

The tax legislation that President Donald Trump signed in December 2017 significantly reduced federal revenues, with the largest tax cuts going to the richest Americans. Following the enactment of these tax cuts, federal revenues fell dramatically—as the Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) and Congressional Budget Office (CBO) projected would occur at the time the law passed1—and they remain below projections of federal revenues made prior to their enactment.

 

from: https://www.americanprogress.org/article/the-trump-tax-cuts-led-to-record-low-not-high-revenues-outside-of-a-recession/

 

The recent history of federal revenues can be found here:

https://www.thebalancemoney.com/current-u-s-federal-government-tax-revenue-3305762

 

Your use of 2022's revenues to show the power of 2017 tax cuts is hilarious.  The COVID stimulus payments, inflation and the strong post COVID recovery boosted those numbers greatly .  

 

You really need to step up your analysis (if any) of the filtered information you soak up.

 

What in the report on the official House Budget Commitee website is factually untrue? Nothing.  It's bi-partisan committee.

 

You can post links to silly leftist websites, but you cannot dispute the facts in the report.

[BigStar]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

What in the report on the official House Budget Commitee website is factually untrue? Nothing.  It's bi-partisan committee.

 

You can post links to silly leftist websites, but you cannot dispute the facts in the report.

 

It's too bad the mods can't force a poster to write a disclaimer after posting rubbish, like the bimbos on The View:

 

 

But I guess that'd be too detrimental to the business model.