Amnesty International "It's a Genocide in Gaza"

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Accused with zero evidence again, same same

 

Human Rights Watch's new "genocide" report is a farce. It centers on alleged water deprivation and claims that "thousands of Gazans have died from dehydration," yet cannot substantiate a single case where someone definitively died of dehydration.

Rather, they rely on hearsay and testimonies from Hamas Health Ministry officials and either political activist doctors or "useful idiot" doctors. Dehydration is always listed as a "contributing factor" or something like that.

But even assuming that their central contention is true—which it manifestly is not—the notion that Israel is responsible for it is ludicrous.
 

I would trust hrw and numerous others governments and aid organisations over some Twitter accounts.

[Nick Carter icp]

32 minutes ago, stevenl said:

I would trust hrw and numerous others governments and aid organisations over some Twitter accounts.

 

   But all their claims stem from the same one source : Hamas .

Hamas have been shown to give fake figures .

You are just trusting numerous groups/people who are repeating the same fake figures .

   If one person tells a lie and lots of people repeat that lie , then that doesn't make the original lie to be true

[stevenl]

29 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   But all their claims stem from the same one source : Hamas .

Hamas have been shown to give fake figures .

You are just trusting numerous groups/people who are repeating the same fake figures .

   If one person tells a lie and lots of people repeat that lie , then that doesn't make the original lie to be true

"But all their claims stem from the same one source ".

Not true, many different sources in e.g. the amnesty report. Thereby you have no argument.

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, stevenl said:

"But all their claims stem from the same one source ".

Not true, many different sources in e.g. the amnesty report. Thereby you have no argument.

 

   You misunderstood what I meant ,

The amnesty report get their figures from the same source , Hamas , is what I meant , 

   Amnesty International are just repeating the untrue Hamas figures

[Bkk Brian]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

I would trust hrw and numerous others governments and aid organisations over some Twitter accounts.

So lets get this right. You would trust hrw that was reported in the BBC with zero evidence on its claims but not the official Israel Gov Cogat quotes in the same twitter link that is via an established independent investigative journalist who adds his own information and direct link to Cogat.

 

Now why on earth does that not surprise me, an official Israeli source...........

 

[stevenl]

22 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You misunderstood what I meant ,

The amnesty report get their figures from the same source , Hamas , is what I meant , 

   Amnesty International are just repeating the untrue Hamas figures

No, they're not. 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, stevenl said:

No, they're not. 

So who else are there verifying death figure and where is that linked in the report?

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, stevenl said:

No, they're not. 

 

   Where have Amnesty International got their figures from ?

[Evil Penevil]

On 12/5/2024 at 9:10 PM, MalcolmB said:

but they are digging their own graves for every Jew on earth.

 

At least the next time round,  Jews WON'T be digging their own graves, nor will they walk quietly to them.  If the Israelis and other Jews ever do go down, they'll take one hell of a lot of Arabs and Muslims with them.

 

         

[Bkk Brian]

The irony with this farcical HRW report is that Hamas have openly bragged and filmed themselves digging up the water infrastructure in Gaza to use the pipes for their terror missiles

 

The irony 

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Where have Amnesty International got their figures from ?

He's stumped as usual, we are waiting @stevenl

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

So who else are there verifying death figure and where is that linked in the report?

 

[bannork]

Israeli doesn't allow any journalists from outside Gaza entry so how can international journalists see for themselves?

Of course Israel may argue it's too dangerous for international journalists to enter but if Israel is so precise in it's attacks, as it claims ( only kill Hamas terrorists), then they should let foreign observers in.

Or are they trying to hide something?

"One year in Gaza: how Israel orchestrated a media blackout on a region at war | RSF" https://rsf.org/en/one-year-gaza-how-israel-orchestrated-media-blackout-region-war

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, bannork said:

Israeli doesn't allow any journalists from outside Gaza entry so how can international journalists see for themselves?

Of course Israel may argue it's too dangerous for international journalists to enter but if Israel is so precise in it's attacks, as it claims ( only kill Hamas terrorists), then they should let foreign observers in.

Or are they trying to hide something?

"One year in Gaza: how Israel orchestrated a media blackout on a region at war | RSF" https://rsf.org/en/one-year-gaza-how-israel-orchestrated-media-blackout-region-war

 

 

Your losing the plot, your forgetting the danger that Hamas terrorists pose to International journalists, they'd love to kidnap a few of them. Its not like Hamas dress in combat clothes, they mingle among the civilians. Blind you really are.

[liddelljohn]

I you want a lasting peace  someone has to lose Big ... thats the law of the jungle ..negotiated  peace or appeasement is only pushing  the next conflict  down the road ... Same in Ukraine if we want a peaceful Europe , Putin needs to lose big ,other wise he will return again ,, Like Hitler did ...    China needs to learn the same lesson in South China sea  it cant unilaterally grab , taiwan ,phillipine  . malaysian, Japanese islands and waters  with impunity

[Nick Carter icp]

33 minutes ago, bannork said:

but if Israel is so precise in it's attacks, as it claims ( only kill Hamas terrorists), then they should let foreign

 

 

 

  When  did Israel claim that ?

[Nick Carter icp]

40 minutes ago, bannork said:

 

Or are they trying to hide something?

 

 

   There have already been regular reports about mass starvation , a genocide, woman and children getting killed and gaza being described as an open air prison and a concentration camp ?

   What exactly can the Israelis be trying to hide ?

What else could there be that they are trying  to hide ?

[bannork]

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your losing the plot, your forgetting the danger that Hamas terrorists pose to International journalists, they'd love to kidnap a few of them. Its not like Hamas dress in combat clothes, they mingle among the civilians. Blind you really are.

A lot of foreign journalists want to get into Gaza but Israel won"t let them. 

https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/gaza-journalists-foreign-correspondents-israel-egypt-access/

[Nick Carter icp]

30 minutes ago, bannork said:

A lot of foreign journalists want to get into Gaza but Israel won"t let them. 

https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/gaza-journalists-foreign-correspondents-israel-egypt-access/

 

    Journalists jobs are hard to come by these days  , the industry has been taken over by A.I .

  

[Bkk Brian]

2 hours ago, bannork said:

A lot of foreign journalists want to get into Gaza but Israel won"t let them. 

https://pressgazette.co.uk/news/gaza-journalists-foreign-correspondents-israel-egypt-access/

Oh another post and link that ignores the reasons they are not allowed. More confirmation you've lost the plot. I take it you also don't trust all the Palastinian  journalists that are there reporting daily.

 

By the way. I certainly agree the BBCs Jeremy Bowen should be allowed in right away. No protection from the IDF and get himself some exclusive Hamas terrorist interviews.

[bannork]

5 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Journalists jobs are hard to come by these days  , the industry has been taken over by A.I .

  

So you say but to quote the article:

'The 55 correspondents represent all the main broadcasters with bases in the UK including BBC News, Sky News, ITV News, Channel 4 News, CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC.'

All wanting to get into Gaza but forbidden by Israel. 

 

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

So you say but to quote the article:

'The 55 correspondents represent all the main broadcasters with bases in the UK including BBC News, Sky News, ITV News, Channel 4 News, CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC.'

All wanting to get into Gaza but forbidden by Israel. 

 

Do you not find it ironic that it was BBC Arabic that complained about Meta. Yet the BBC had a reporter who lived in Gaza and reported daily, until he decided to leave. 

[bannork]

7 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Do you not find it ironic that it was BBC Arabic that complained about Meta. Yet the BBC had a reporter who lived in Gaza and reported daily, until he decided to leave. 

He decided to leave with his family because it was too dangerous. Too many explosions. He laments the banning of foreign journalists by Israel and Egypt.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c8rdmrm7p72o

[Bkk Brian]

30 minutes ago, bannork said:

He decided to leave with his family because it was too dangerous. Too many explosions. He laments the banning of foreign journalists by Israel and Egypt.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/videos/c8rdmrm7p72o

Well that went straight over your head. I know all about it otherwise I would not have mentioned him. Proves the point being made that its too dangerous for journalists.............

 

The very point you keep missing. Perhaps we can get back to the topic now.....

[bannork]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well that went straight over your head. I know all about it otherwise I would not have mentioned him. Proves the point being made that its too dangerous for journalists.............

 

The very point you keep missing. Perhaps we can get back to the topic now.....

No, he was worried about his family.

I bet you many of those Western journalists asking to go in would go, but of course Israel bans them.

Hey, how about Israel lets the journos in?

Up to them, if they got killed by an Israeli bomb or kidnapped by Hamas, that's their choice. They're used to war zones 

But Israel won't let them in too much to hide 

 

[Bkk Brian]

10 minutes ago, bannork said:

No, he was worried about his family.

I bet you many of those Western journalists asking to go in would go, but of course Israel bans them.

Hey, how about Israel lets the journos in?

Up to them, if they got killed by an Israeli bomb or kidnapped by Hamas, that's their choice. They're used to war zones 

But Israel won't let them in too much to hide 

 

Of course he was worried about his family, its a war zone. He was also very worried about himself, he admits it in interviews......

 

So your happy for western journalists to be taken hostage as its their choice. I keep telling you you've lost the plot and this just proves it yet again.

 

Heres an older example for you...........

 

BBC correspondent kidnapped in Gaza: police

Police identified the journalist as Alan Johnston, who has been the BBC's correspondent in Gaza for three years. Officials said his rental car was found abandoned in Gaza City and that a search was under way for the British national.

Rushdi Abualouf, a senior BBC producer in Gaza, said no other staff were with Johnston when he was driving home from the BBC office in the coastal strip.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/bbc-correspondent-kidnapped-in-gaza-police-idUSL12442109/

[bannork]

50 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Of course he was worried about his family, its a war zone. He was also very worried about himself, he admits it in interviews......

 

So your happy for western journalists to be taken hostage as its their choice. I keep telling you you've lost the plot and this just proves it yet again.

 

Heres an older example for you...........

 

BBC correspondent kidnapped in Gaza: police

Police identified the journalist as Alan Johnston, who has been the BBC's correspondent in Gaza for three years. Officials said his rental car was found abandoned in Gaza City and that a search was under way for the British national.

Rushdi Abualouf, a senior BBC producer in Gaza, said no other staff were with Johnston when he was driving home from the BBC office in the coastal strip.

https://www.reuters.com/article/world/bbc-correspondent-kidnapped-in-gaza-police-idUSL12442109/

To quote the journalists again:

“The risks of conflict reporting are well understood by our organisations who have decades of experience of reporting in warzones around the world and in previous wars in Gaza".

But Israel and Brian know best.

Let them in if there's nothing to hide.

 

[Bkk Brian]

20 minutes ago, bannork said:

To quote the journalists again:

“The risks of conflict reporting are well understood by our organisations who have decades of experience of reporting in warzones around the world and in previous wars in Gaza".

But Israel and Brian know best.

Let them in if there's nothing to hide.

 

Proof you're not even reading my posts. I already told you, I have no problem with them going in, lets start with the BBC's own Jeremy Bowen

 

8 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

By the way. I certainly agree the BBCs Jeremy Bowen should be allowed in right away. No protection from the IDF and get himself some exclusive Hamas terrorist interviews.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

48 minutes ago, bannork said:

To quote the journalists again:

“The risks of conflict reporting are well understood by our organisations who have decades of experience of reporting in warzones around the world and in previous wars in Gaza".

But Israel and Brian know best.

Let them in if there's nothing to hide.

 

 

   Where can I contact this Journalist ?

I want to ask him a question 

[bannork]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Where can I contact this Journalist ?

I want to ask him a question 

Ask one of the 55.

The 55 correspondents represent all the main broadcasters with bases in the UK including BBC News, Sky News, ITV News, Channel 4 News, CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, bannork said:

Ask one of the 55.

The 55 correspondents represent all the main broadcasters with bases in the UK including BBC News, Sky News, ITV News, Channel 4 News, CNN, NBC, CBS and ABC.

 

  How can I contact them ?