Far-right activists from Germany spent US election day at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago

[Yagoda]

43 minutes ago, stat said:

Worst part of German history. What troubles me as a German is that the Germans do not understand that national socialism and left socialism are very similar and lead to the same problems as they both stress the collective over the individual.

At last. A glimmer of hope. Someone who understands.

 

 

[stat]

9 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

The problem is Trump's "lies and BS" are invariably proven true. I actually can't think of a single occasion he has been definitively proven as having lied. 

 

What is problematic is a refusal to take the L when we have been absolutely proven to have been misled and find ourselves on the wrong side of an issue. With you, what stands out to me was your reply to an old post of mine(removed with punishment meted for disturbing a far left false narrative with devastating facts) pointing out the fact that a certain MrFloyd had covid when he passed away. You erupted saying you knew this to be a lie because your media would have been all over it if he had. Realizing that you were wrong, and your media ignored his covid status because they were dishonestly pushing the whitemanbad narrative/blm good should have been a real wake up moment. 

If people refuse to use logic, it makes debate and conversation impossible. Calling Trump a liar, when in fact the real liars were the Ruusia collusion hoaxers, laptop deniers and msm isn't a genuine or honest position.

What a bunch of nonsense get real man! Trump has lied on thousand of occasions! Claiming otherwise is a sad joke. Who cares everyone lies!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump

 

BTW: I would have voted for Trump in all elections! The Dems were lying  as well but maybe not as often as Trump, however Trump is far better for the US then Harris IMHO.

 

A real Gem :

 

In April 2022, Trump stated at a rally in Selma, North Carolina: "I think I'm the most honest human being, perhaps, that God ever created," prompting laughter from the crowd.^[587]

 

^{Let us know if you believe this last statement!}

 

 

 

[RetiredNavy71]

20 hours ago, UWEB said:

Luckily I don't smoke. But to have the NSAFD Fascists entirely destroyed I agree with you.

Thanks brother 

[RetiredNavy71]

21 hours ago, RayC said:

 

Clearly you know nothing about Nazi ideology or how Hitler came to power if you can confuse 'Socialism' and 'Marxism' with 'National Socialism'.

So true brother so true 

[frank83628]

5 hours ago, stat said:

What a bunch of nonsense get real man! Trump has lied on thousand of occasions! Claiming otherwise is a sad joke. Who cares everyone lies!

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_or_misleading_statements_by_Donald_Trump

 

BTW: I would have voted for Trump in all elections! The Dems were lying  as well but maybe not as often as Trump, however Trump is far better for the US then Harris IMHO.

 

A real Gem :

 

In April 2022, Trump stated at a rally in Selma, North Carolina: "I think I'm the most honest human being, perhaps, that God ever created," prompting laughter from the crowd.^[587]

 

^{Let us know if you believe this last statement!}

 

 

 

And did the bit about him being more honest than God get a fact check? Because to anyone with rational thinking can see its a joke.

[RayC]

17 hours ago, stat said:

Worst part of German history. What troubles me as a German is that the Germans do not understand that national socialism and left socialism are very similar and lead to the same problems as they both stress the collective over the individual.

 

I obviously agree that Nazism was a terrible period in  Germany's history. I also agree that the needs of the collective is stressed over the individual in both National Socialism and Socialism. However, the underlying ideologies - economic and social - of the two are fundamentally different. 

 

At its' heart, socialism is based on equality and seeks to gain for workers the full fruits of their labour. On the other hand, National Socialism is centred on inequality. There is a 'natural' order in which some workers (races) are considered inferior and are nothing more than an expendable resource for the 'superior' race to exploit.

 

What is "left" socialism?

[stat]

6 hours ago, frank83628 said:

And did the bit about him being more honest than God get a fact check? Because to anyone with rational thinking can see its a joke.

Fact checked in the wikipedia article and google for yourself besides hundreds of other occasions. Saying Trump never lied is beyond belief.

 

Again Trump is better then the alternatives and I am a libertarian so no leftie.

[frank83628]

32 minutes ago, stat said:

Fact checked in the wikipedia article and google for yourself besides hundreds of other occasions. Saying Trump never lied is beyond belief.

 

Again Trump is better then the alternatives and I am a libertarian so no leftie.

Are you for real, you think the comment he made about being 'the most honest human being' was a lie and needed fact checking? 

 

 

[stat]

2 hours ago, frank83628 said:

Are you for real, you think the comment he made about being 'the most honest human being' was a lie and needed fact checking? 

 

 

I was answering to a post that read "The problem is Trump's "lies and BS" are invariably proven true. I actually can't think of a single occasion he has been definitively proven as having lied.  "

[blaze master]

On 12/7/2024 at 4:50 PM, Jingthing said:

Fascists of a feather flock together. 

 

From the reactions to this comment I see the extreme left are slowly coming out of hiding. 

 

[SunnyinBangrak]

33 minutes ago, stat said:

I was answering to a post that read "The problem is Trump's "lies and BS" are invariably proven true. I actually can't think of a single occasion he has been definitively proven as having lied.  "

Examples of Trump telling truths in interviews, getting "fact checked" then in time proven right. As always.

 

1)bidens took money from china and other adversary countries

2)laptop was not russian disinformation

 

2 very easy ones to start you off on the journey to wondering why if he told so many lies, did the msm have to make up lies to call him a liar. (Lightbulb moment in any rational thinking being)

[RetiredNavy71]

17 hours ago, RayC said:

 

I obviously agree that Nazism was a terrible period in  Germany's history. I also agree that the needs of the collective is stressed over the individual in both National Socialism and Socialism. However, the underlying ideologies - economic and social - of the two are fundamentally different. 

 

At its' heart, socialism is based on equality and seeks to gain for workers the full fruits of their labour. On the other hand, National Socialism is centred on inequality. There is a 'natural' order in which some workers (races) are considered inferior and are nothing more than an expendable resource for the 'superior' race to exploit.

 

What is "left" socialism?

Good question that can't be politicized 

[simple1]

On 12/9/2024 at 7:10 PM, Yagoda said:

At last. A glimmer of hope. Someone who understands.

 

 

 

Not true. Nazism and Socialism were very different ideologies, plus of course the Nazi obsession with land grab and elimination of Jews and other minorities, including the mentally disabled.

 

Nazism rejected the Marxist concepts of class conflict and universal equality, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good", accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organisation,

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#:~:text=Nazism rejected the Marxist concepts,main priority of economic organisation%2C

[Yagoda]

5 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Not true. Nazism and Socialism were very different ideologies, plus of course the Nazi obsession with land grab and elimination of Jews and other minorities, including the mentally disabled.

 

Nazism rejected the Marxist concepts of class conflict and universal equality, opposed cosmopolitan internationalism, and sought to convince all parts of the new German society to subordinate their personal interests to the "common good", accepting political interests as the main priority of economic organisation,

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazism#:~:text=Nazism rejected the Marxist concepts,main priority of economic organisation%2C

Your quote alone from that "source" shows you are wrong.

 

Class? Can you find the key words?

[simple1]

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Your quote alone from that "source" shows you are wrong.

 

Class? Can you find the key words?

 

As you dislike Wiki please advise your source for definitions. Moving along....Socialism is often equated to Marxism is the US. The distinction between Socialism and Marxism is below, so I'll still go with comparing to Marxism

 

Socialism is a broad system of ideas that advocates for the shared ownership of the means of production, while Marxism is a political and economic theory that explains the development of societies and predicts future social change

[Yagoda]

Your getting closer. This is fun. Socratic.

 

Whats in that "broad system of ideas"? Hint: see the word "shared".

 

Get off of the Internet, open a book and think. Start a topic, here is a title for you:

 

"Does the mantle of Socialism include National Socialism"

[RayC]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

 

"Does the mantle of Socialism include National Socialism"

 

No.

 

When it comes to labelling, we've been here before. It does prove a thing. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not a democracy.

[Yagoda]

24 minutes ago, RayC said:

 

No.

 

When it comes to labelling, we've been here before. It does prove a thing. The Democratic People's Republic of Korea is not a democracy.

Its not labeling, its the underlying political philosophy.  Heres another hint for you: volksgemienshaft.

[simple1]

20 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Its not labeling, its the underlying political philosophy.  Heres another hint for you: volksgemienshaft.

 

Looked it up. the word you reference has has differing interpretation according to political association. The Nazi interpretation, so far as I am concerned has nothing to do with Socialism. As you would know far left political entities were identified as core enemies of the Nazis

 

The German term Volksgemeinschaft translates to "people's community" or "national community". It was a concept that was used by many political parties in Germany, each with their own interpretation and goals. The Nazis used the term to create a racially and ethnically based community, and excluded groups they considered "undesirable"

 

It's long been an effort by the right of centre to identify Socialism with Nazism, including on this platform. I assume in an effort to uncouple "far right" from Nazism, without the requisite comprehension the definition of "far right" has changed over time.

 

 

[Yagoda]

33 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Looked it up. the word you reference has has differing interpretation according to political association. The Nazi interpretation, so far as I am concerned has nothing to do with Socialism. As you would know far left political entities were identified as core enemies of the Nazis

 

The German term Volksgemeinschaft translates to "people's community" or "national community". It was a concept that was used by many political parties in Germany, each with their own interpretation and goals. The Nazis used the term to create a racially and ethnically based community, and excluded groups they considered "undesirable"

 

It's long been an effort by the right of centre to identify Socialism with Nazism, including on this platform. I assume in an effort to uncouple "far right" from Nazism, without the requisite comprehension the definition of "far right" has changed over time.

 

 

You didnt write any of that resp[onse, so before I show you how wrong you are, give us where you plagiarized that stuff from.

 

BTW, tell us which political parties in Germany used the term Volkesgemeinschaft other than the National Socialists. That very name is another hint to you.

[simple1]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

You didnt write any of that resp[onse, so before I show you how wrong you are, give us where you plagiarized that stuff from.

 

BTW, tell us which political parties in Germany used the term Volkesgemeinschaft other than the National Socialists. That very name is another hint to you.

 

I really cannot be bothered any further. Play your games with someone else

[Yagoda]

30 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

I really cannot be bothered any further. Play your games with someone else

Translation: I join my fellow Socialists in conceding the field to you.

[simple1]

16 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: I join my fellow Socialists in conceding the field to you.

Never been a socialist. As already said, go play your games elsewhere

[RayC]

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Its not labeling, its the underlying political philosophy.  Heres another hint for you: volksgemienshaft.

 

That's just a collection of words banded together. They explain nothing.

 

What/ Whose "underlying political philosophy"? Are you suggesting that "volksgemienshaft" is the link between socialism and national socialism? If so, how?

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, RayC said:

 

That's just a collection of words banded together. They explain nothing.

 

What/ Whose "underlying political philosophy"? Are you suggesting that "volksgemienshaft" is the link between socialism and national socialism? If so, how?

Really? Do you even know what it means in the context of National Socialist thought? If you knew what it meant, you could answer that question yourslef.

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, simple1 said:

Never been a socialist. As already said, go play your games elsewhere

Translation: Im taking the white feather.

[RayC]

5 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Really? Do you even know what it means in the context of National Socialist thought? If you knew what it meant, you could answer that question yourslef.

 

Wikipedia gives a useful overview of the term 'Volkesgemeinschaft' - and I can delve deeper if I feel the need - so I'm ok on that score, thanks.

 

You originally stated that, "Germanys Left gave us that wonderful brand of socialism known as National Socialism", implying that 'National Socialism' grew out of Socialism.

 

I and others have explained why we think that it is incorrect to suggest that these two different political ideologies share the same root. You then introduced the term 'Volkesgemeinschaft' into the discussion implying - without any explanation - that this term explains the link between 'Socialism' and 'National Socialism'.

 

My question is simple, 'How does the concept of 'Volkesgemeinschaft' explain the relationship between Socialism and National Socialism?'

[Yagoda]

9 hours ago, RayC said:

 

Wikipedia gives a useful overview of the term 'Volkesgemeinschaft' - and I can delve deeper if I feel the need - so I'm ok on that score, thanks.

 

You originally stated that, "Germanys Left gave us that wonderful brand of socialism known as National Socialism", implying that 'National Socialism' grew out of Socialism.

 

I and others have explained why we think that it is incorrect to suggest that these two different political ideologies share the same root. You then introduced the term 'Volkesgemeinschaft' into the discussion implying - without any explanation - that this term explains the link between 'Socialism' and 'National Socialism'.

 

My question is simple, 'How does the concept of 'Volkesgemeinschaft' explain the relationship between Socialism and National Socialism?'

Now your thinking. Ill give you points for that. And because you repectfully asked an excellent question, Ill start a topic. See you there.

 

[RayC]

2 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Now your thinking. Ill give you points for that. And because you repectfully asked an excellent question, Ill start a topic. See you there.

 

 

It would be so much easier if you could post a direct answer to a direct question here in this thread where all can see it without having to search around 

[Yagoda]

1 minute ago, RayC said:

 

It would be so much easier if you could post a direct answer to a direct question here in this thread where all can see it without having to search around 

Why lose the chance to educate others. I started the topic, its there, lets see how smart you Socialist apologists are