National Socialism is Socialism-Part 1. The Essence of Socialist Philosophy

[Yagoda]

Germany is the primary source of Socialist thought. Marx, Engels, Kant, Hegel...while there are others who defined the essential philosophy, Like Prudhomme, Rousseu and Plekhanov and Lenin, there is no question that Germany is the fount of Socialist ideas. As far back as 1881, Bismark was referring to Staatssocializmus, State Socialism. Marx of course laid out the "scientific" basis of the philosophy and the pamphlet writers went from there.

 

The word Socialism is derived from the latin Sociare, which means to share.

 

So, to distill the Philosophy of Socialism to its kernel (and be shamed for a mixed metaphor): Community and Sharing. To each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. The workers owning the means of production, etc. All of the intellectual masturbation in boring treatises in German and Russian  are all just variations of the same theme: How it will start, who will participate, what are the details, how it will work. But because it is "scientific" the final result will be the withering away of the state leading to the workers and peasants owning the land and means of production and sharing labor and the results of labor.

 

Is there anyone here who disputes the foregoing. I am not talking about economics yet.

[morrobay]

That's the same as saying Socialism is Nazism.  Not even.

 

[morrobay]

[Yagoda]

Hey thanks for your response, clearly you dont think for yourself.

 

But tell us, if you can, in your words, where my Opening Post is in error.

 

Looks like the Socialists have run and hid. Cant compete in the arena of ideas.

[WDSmart]

On 12/12/2024 at 8:46 AM, Yagoda said:

Germany is the primary source of Socialist thought. Marx, Engels, Kant, Hegel...while there are others who defined the essential philosophy, Like Prudhomme, Rousseu and Plekhanov and Lenin, there is no question that Germany is the fount of Socialist ideas. As far back as 1881, Bismark was referring to Staatssocializmus, State Socialism. Marx of course laid out the "scientific" basis of the philosophy and the pamphlet writers went from there.

 

The word Socialism is derived from the latin Sociare, which means to share.

 

So, to distill the Philosophy of Socialism to its kernel (and be shamed for a mixed metaphor): Community and Sharing. To each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. The workers owning the means of production, etc. All of the intellectual masturbation in boring treatises in German and Russian  are all just variations of the same theme: How it will start, who will participate, what are the details, how it will work. But because it is "scientific" the final result will be the withering away of the state leading to the workers and peasants owning the land and means of production and sharing labor and the results of labor.

 

Is there anyone here who disputes the foregoing. I am not talking about economics yet.

I'm a far-left "woke" (a.k.a. "visionary") liberal who firmly supports socialism as a goal for any nation. I do think above you are talking about the economy and not the type of government. And I think one of your sentences is a misquote. It should be "FROM each according to his ability, to each according to his needs." Besides that, I do not dispute anything you've said above, except socialist thought existed long before Germany became a country, but that's just nit-picking, so I'll be interested to see where you go from here.

[Purdey]

The USA had many socialist entities (where people think socialism means taking your money through taxes and using it for the common good, e.g. fire services, police, FEMA etc. )

Doesn't mean it is a fully socialist state yet.

[Enoon]

On 12/12/2024 at 8:46 AM, Yagoda said:

Germany is the primary source of Socialist thought. Marx, Engels, Kant, Hegel...while there are others who defined the essential philosophy, Like Prudhomme, Rousseu and Plekhanov and Lenin, there is no question that Germany is the fount of Socialist ideas. As far back as 1881, Bismark was referring to Staatssocializmus, State Socialism. Marx of course laid out the "scientific" basis of the philosophy and the pamphlet writers went from there.

 

The word Socialism is derived from the latin Sociare, which means to share.

 

So, to distill the Philosophy of Socialism to its kernel (and be shamed for a mixed metaphor): Community and Sharing. To each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. The workers owning the means of production, etc. All of the intellectual masturbation in boring treatises in German and Russian  are all just variations of the same theme: How it will start, who will participate, what are the details, how it will work. But because it is "scientific" the final result will be the withering away of the state leading to the workers and peasants owning the land and means of production and sharing labor and the results of labor.

 

Is there anyone here who disputes the foregoing. I am not talking about economics yet.

 

The full name for the party was, NSDAP....... National Socialist Democratic Workers Party.

 

It sought to appeal to Socialists and Communists......that's why they stuck "Socialist" in the Party name.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nazi_Party

"The renaming of the German Worker's Party (DAP) to the National Socialist German Workers' Party (NSDAP) was partially driven by a desire to draw upon both left-wing and right-wing ideals, with "Socialist" and "Workers'" appealing to the left, and "National" and "German" appealing to the right.^"

 

See F A Hayeks book "The Road to Serfdom" for his analysis of the mutual "Collectivism" of the German parties of the left and right that made them so attractive to a particular segment of the population.

 

The naming of the Party was all about votes.......nothing more.

 

It was neither "Socialist" nor "Democratic".

 

This is what it actually practised:

 

"The strength of the National Socialist State lies in the fact that it is [ruled] from top to bottom and in every atom of its existence ruled and permeated with the concept of leadership [Führertum]. This principle [of leadership], which made the movement strong, must be carried through systematically, both in the administration of the State and in the various spheres of self-government, naturally taking into account the [ideologic] modifications required by the particular area in question. But it would not be permissible for any important area of public life to operate independently from the Führer concept"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Führerprinzip

 

It's what your guy hopes to make of the USA.

 

You voted for it........you are the "National Socialist".

 

 

 

[scorecard]

On 12/12/2024 at 8:46 AM, Yagoda said:

Germany is the primary source of Socialist thought. Marx, Engels, Kant, Hegel...while there are others who defined the essential philosophy, Like Prudhomme, Rousseu and Plekhanov and Lenin, there is no question that Germany is the fount of Socialist ideas. As far back as 1881, Bismark was referring to Staatssocializmus, State Socialism. Marx of course laid out the "scientific" basis of the philosophy and the pamphlet writers went from there.

 

The word Socialism is derived from the latin Sociare, which means to share.

 

So, to distill the Philosophy of Socialism to its kernel (and be shamed for a mixed metaphor): Community and Sharing. To each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. The workers owning the means of production, etc. All of the intellectual masturbation in boring treatises in German and Russian  are all just variations of the same theme: How it will start, who will participate, what are the details, how it will work. But because it is "scientific" the final result will be the withering away of the state leading to the workers and peasants owning the land and means of production and sharing labor and the results of labor.

 

Is there anyone here who disputes the foregoing. I am not talking about economics yet.

 

Thanks for your post, I like the content you have shared, in fact 'sharing' is the key word my parents used to explain it to me when i was a kid.

 

I used the same key word in my efforts to make my Thai son (now in his early 40's) more aware of the subject (which he has strongly embraced, but his siblings and more especially his Thai wife's siblings are not on board.

 

 

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

 

 

A socialist; someone that doesn't have anything and wants to share it with everyone else