Ireland’s Move at the ICJ Redefining The Meaning of Genocide to get a Conviction

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Well said.

 

Here's a response from the experts.

 

FDD Expert Response
“Israel is clearly not committing the crime of genocide, as defined by the 1948 genocide treaty. So now, both Ireland and Amnesty are seeking to create a new, bogus definition of genocide in order to find Israel guilty of it. In doing so, Ireland and Amnesty are proving that they are motivated by hatred of the Jewish state rather than by allegiance to the rule of law. They are also making a mockery of international law, the ICJ, the genocide treaty, and the victims of actual genocides.” — Orde Kittrie, Senior Fellow

In the mean time, more and more countries and organisations are speaking out against the Israeli atrocities.

[Bkk Brian]

27 minutes ago, stevenl said:

In the mean time, more and more countries and organisations are speaking out against the Israeli atrocities.

Are they trying to make a mockery of international laws the same as Ireland, the subject of this topic? Perhaps you should read the latest expose on the fake death figures promoted by Hamas in todays other topic. Oh no, you won't do that as it disagrees with Hamas.

 

Another fine example @stevenl of when you have nothing to add to the topic just deflect and return to your characteristic Israel hate with unsubstantiated off topic inflammatory claims of atrocities by Israel. 

[Evil Penevil]

If I were an Irish Jew, I'd be getting nervous now.  Changing laws to make it easier to prosecute Jews is how the Holocaust started in Germany when the Nazis took power in 1933.  One of the first steps the Nazis took was to change laws to the detriment of Jews. This helped "normalize" the persecution of Jews.  

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A very small number of Jews live  in Ireland, which makes their situation all the more perilous.  An estimated 2,500 to 2,600 Jews reside in the Republic of Ireland, but less tan 800 are Irish citizens, according Wikipedia.   The others are employees of multinational companies, digital nomads, exchange students and spouses of Irish citizens.   As the Irish Republic has 5.35 million residents, only 0.05% are Jewish      https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_the_Jews_in_Ireland

 

The Israeli government  has reacted strongly to its Irish counterpart's constant siding with those who seek to destroy Israel.

In response to the antisemitic policies of the Irish government, Israel is closing its embassy in Dublin.  

Israel’s Foreign Minister Gideon Sa’ar announced the closure of the country’s embassy in Ireland on Sunday, accusing Ireland of “extreme anti-Israel policies.”

“The actions and antisemitic rhetoric used by Ireland against Israel are rooted in the delegitimization and demonization of the Jewish state, along with double standards. Ireland has crossed every red line in its relations with Israel,” Sa’ar said, according to a foreign ministry statement.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-closes-embassy-in-ireland-blaming-extreme-anti-israel-policies/ar-AA1vTTE7

 

Meanwhile, there have been attacks on individual Jews,  The young man in the story below was an exchange student from the U.S. who was weaing a Star of David pendant.

 

Jewish student attacked in Dublin nightclub in suspected hate crime amid fears of rising anti-Semitism

Victim (23) says he was asked ‘are you Jewish?’ before being assaulted by three men

A Jewish student suffered a concussion after he was attacked by three men in a Dublin nightclub in a suspected anti-Semitic assault.

https://www.irishtimes.com/crime-law/2024/11/30/jewish-student-attacked-in-dublin-nightclub-in-suspected-hate-crime-amid-fears-of-rising-anti-semitism/

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Jews with Irish passports began to decide Israel would be a better place for them to live.

[paddypower]

17 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Exactly its within its right. 

 

"Ireland's antisemitic actions and rhetoric against Israel are based on delegitimization and demonization of the Jewish state and on double standards," he continued. "Ireland crossed all the red lines to speak to Israel. Israel will invest its resources in promoting bilateral relations with the countries of the world according to priorities that are also derived from the attitude of the various countries towards it."

 

I note you keep making a reference to well done Ireland. Strange as I you can see Hamas are also very pleased. After all, attempting to change the legal definition on a charge when its midway through a trial is every terrorists dream. They forgot its the ICJ that defines an already defined charge, not at hoc countries that want decide to join. But I suggest you read the OP its all been covered already.

when will you wake up to the sentiments on which the Irish position is based - the criminality of the deliberate killing of civilians in war  Hamas fits that definition for sure. Why should Isreal get a free pass? Isreal military bombs the jejasus out of women and children. ( conservative estimates put the numbers killed, in Gaza,, by the Isreali military in the past 12 months at more than 6,000 women and 11,000 children). if that does not float your boat, the concept of bombing a civilian population into eternity, (a significant % of whom do not support Hamas) in order to get revenge on the Hamas army of, what 15,000 - 20,000 should do so. It strikes me as inhumane. then again the popular terms for Arabs used by Isreal are  ''dogs and subhumans. for transparency I'm Irish born and proud of what my country stands up for - the dispossessed. 

[Bkk Brian]

33 minutes ago, paddypower said:

when will you wake up to the sentiments on which the Irish position is based - the criminality of the deliberate killing of civilians in war  Hamas fits that definition for sure. Why should Isreal get a free pass? Isreal military bombs the jejasus out of women and children. ( conservative estimates put the numbers killed, in Gaza,, by the Isreali military in the past 12 months at more than 6,000 women and 11,000 children). if that does not float your boat, the concept of bombing a civilian population into eternity, (a significant % of whom do not support Hamas) in order to get revenge on the Hamas army of, what 15,000 - 20,000 should do so. It strikes me as inhumane. then again the popular terms for Arabs used by Isreal are  ''dogs and subhumans. for transparency I'm Irish born and proud of what my country stands up for - the dispossessed. 

Yea right paddy, an Irish rant full of unsubstantiated claims. Have another guinness 

[Nick Carter icp]

37 minutes ago, paddypower said:

when will you wake up to the sentiments on which the Irish position is based - the criminality of the deliberate killing of civilians in war  Hamas fits that definition for sure. Why should Isreal get a free pass? Isreal military bombs the jejasus out of women and children. ( conservative estimates put the numbers killed, in Gaza,, by the Isreali military in the past 12 months at more than 6,000 women and 11,000 children). if that does not float your boat, the concept of bombing a civilian population into eternity, (a significant % of whom do not support Hamas) in order to get revenge on the Hamas army of, what 15,000 - 20,000 should do so. It strikes me as inhumane. then again the popular terms for Arabs used by Isreal are  ''dogs and subhumans. for transparency I'm Irish born and proud of what my country stands up for - the dispossessed. 

 

   What aren't you standing up for the 100's of people being held hostage for over  year now ?

   They include Woman and Children .

Why arent Ireland demanding the hostages be released ?

Why are Ireland standing shoulder to shoulder with the hostage takers ? Why are Ireland standing together with people who use Woman and Children as Human shields and who take Woman and Children hostages ?

   Why does Ireland want Israel prosecuted for trying to free the hostages ?

[pacovl46]

On 12/14/2024 at 3:45 PM, Bkk Brian said:

What one in Gaza? Can you provide a link to this Genocide in Gaza going on for the last 10 years? 

If you want the answer to that you can simply ask any human rights organization! 

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

If you want the answer to that you can simply ask any human rights organization! 

They didn't make that claim. You did, quite good at spreading lies aren't you 

[pacovl46]

28 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

They didn't make that claim. You did, quite good at spreading lies aren't you 

😂😂😂😂 riiiiiiiiiiight. You got me there, Sherlock! If you don't understand that starving a population with heavy sanctions to the point where it's a humanitarian crisis is a form of genocide then I can't help you! 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, pacovl46 said:

😂😂😂😂 riiiiiiiiiiight. You got me there, Sherlock! If you don't understand that starving a population with heavy sanctions to the point where it's a humanitarian crisis is a form of genocide then I can't help you! 

Your claim:  Genocide in Gaza going on for the last 10 years

 

No link of course because its lies, you got yourself, hook line and sinker

 

 

[Keep Right]

Nothing said about the IRA killings of innocent citizens in the past?

[stevenl]

9 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Are they trying to make a mockery of international laws the same as Ireland, the subject of this topic? Perhaps you should read the latest expose on the fake death figures promoted by Hamas in todays other topic. Oh no, you won't do that as it disagrees with Hamas.

 

Another fine example @stevenl of when you have nothing to add to the topic just deflect and return to your characteristic Israel hate with unsubstantiated off topic inflammatory claims of atrocities by Israel. 

Israel hate? Not at all, just hate some Israeli actions. A pity many can't see the difference.

 

Hamas numbers unreliable? Of course they are, just as the IDF numbers are unreliable.

[Bkk Brian]

35 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Israel hate? Not at all, just hate some Israeli actions. A pity many can't see the difference.

 

Hamas numbers unreliable? Of course they are, just as the IDF numbers are unreliable.

Yes Israel hate, your numerous posts evidencing it & more evidence of your Hamas apologist rhetoric on the numbers, its not about Hamas being unreliable, its about Hamas deliberately manipulating the numbers. Lying in other words. There is NO moral equivalence between Idf and Hamas in credibility or actions.  

 

Why don't you go to the topic so we can discuss? Of course I doubt you will because it goes against the Hamas narrative and lies. Providing clear evidence of how they manipulate the numbers. Not pretty for Hamas apologists.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

52 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Israel hate? Not at all, just hate some Israeli actions. A pity many can't see the difference.

 

Hamas numbers unreliable? Of course they are, just as the IDF numbers are unreliable.

 

    Israel gives their numbers in good faith , Hamas just make the numbers up and exaggerate the numbers .

   What Israeli actions do you like ?

[Evil Penevil]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Hamas numbers unreliable? Of course they are, just as the IDF numbers are unreliable.

 Your comment reminds of two lines from the 1960's protest song For What It's Worth by Buffalo Springfield:

"There's battle lines being drawn

  And nobody's right if everybody's wrong."   

 

What's necessary is to decide which side has the more reliable figures.  I find it hard to believe anyone would put much faith in anything  Hamas, a designated terrorist group, says.  Hamas' goal is to destroy Israel and its statement of principles is the definition of antisemitism.

 

 

[coolcarer]

14 hours ago, stevenl said:

Israel hate? Not at all, just hate some Israeli actions. A pity many can't see the difference.

 

Hamas numbers unreliable? Of course they are, just as the IDF numbers are unreliable.

Hey Steven, keep it up. Making equal comparisons to murderous, raping terrorists who continue to hold innocent hostages, well those they’ve not executed yet and the IDF. Shame on you. Really.

[paddypower]

16 hours ago, Keep Right said:

Nothing said about the IRA killings of innocent citizens in the past?

off topic. But, if you want to resurrect Sunday Bloody Sunday , or Zombie (the IRA bombings in England). you might want to read the smpathies which motivated Bono & Dolores O'  Riordan, to write those songs. They are/were completely against civilians being killed in war as are most in the Republic of Irish. except for the racist comments by people like Yagoda (who is obviously from the North, which is British) . 

[paddypower]

15 hours ago, Evil Penevil said:

 Your comment reminds of two lines from the 1960's protest song For What It's Worth by Buffalo Springfield:

"There's battle lines being drawn

  And nobody's right if everybody's wrong."   

 

What's necessary is to decide which side has the more reliable figures.  I find it hard to believe anyone would put much faith in anything  Hamas, a designated terrorist group, says.  Hamas' goal is to destroy Israel and its statement of principles is the definition of antisemitism.

 

 

totally agree.  except what is not well known is that Netanyahu, has been behind the creation and support of Hamas , ever since he first gained  power as PM in 1996. He has said openly that he would rather support the existence of Hamas, as a means of never allowing the Palestinians to gain statehood. do any of you who criticize the Irish position read anything other than what the fake media pushs on you ? 

[Bkk Brian]

31 minutes ago, paddypower said:

totally agree.  except what is not well known is that Netanyahu, has been behind the creation and support of Hamas , ever since he first gained  power as PM in 1996. He has said openly that he would rather support the existence of Hamas, as a means of never allowing the Palestinians to gain statehood. do any of you who criticize the Irish position read anything other than what the fake media pushs on you ? 

Completely false. Hamas was NOT created by Netanyahu. Much more complex than that. All you've done there is cherry pick snippets out of context and arranged them in a most misleading way. Also way off topic. A subject that has been discussed numerous times in the appropriate topics.

 

Note what can only be the Hamas apologists liking your misinformation.

[Yagoda]

15 minutes ago, paddypower said:

off topic. But, if you want to resurrect Sunday Bloody Sunday , or Zombie (the IRA bombings in England). you might want to read the smpathies which motivated Bono & Dolores O'  Riordan, to write those songs. They are/were completely against civilians being killed in war as are most in the Republic of Irish. except for the racist comments by people like Yagoda (who is obviously from the North, which is British) . 

What racist comment did I make?

 

Im American. Your little war with the Brits is just another example of the hate and fighting that Europeans specialize in.

[Captain Flack]

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