Transgender Fencer Sparks Controversy with Prestigious Win on Women’s Team

[KannikaP]

21 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   How about, separate them according to what genitals they have ?

Males on one side, Females on the other side ?

So if the bloke has had his meat & veg removed???

More like what genitals they had at BIRTH.  Or Chromosomes.

[georgegeorgia]

I was watching ABC TV recently on a Saturday afternoon,

 

a bunch of guys in red tartan dresses picking up a large rock , apparently it's a sport from Scotland 

All dressed in dresses , one was named Scottie ,I thought it was absolutely beautiful 

And good on them if they want to be female and play sport even mens sport 

 

Identify as you want I say

[johnnybangkok]

16 hours ago, quake said:

 

I'm sure it's not a molehill, for the ladies that have been cheated of a win, by men.

 

Another man being indignant on behalf of women. Last time I checked they had a voice so not sure they need yours. And since you are such a crusader for women I suppose you fully support their right to choose an abortion or that no always means no?

[metisdead]

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[WDSmart]

On 12/15/2024 at 5:03 PM, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   How about, separate them according to what genitals they have ?

Males on one side, Females on the other side ?

That's one way to do it: physical examination. But what about those who have had transgender surgeries and no longer have the genitals that had at birth? And there will be some that have a mix of male/female genitals. What then? 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, WDSmart said:

That's one way to do it: physical examination. But what about those who have had transgender surgeries and no longer have the genitals that had at birth? And there will be some that have a mix of male/female genitals. What then? 

 

   Then they cannot participate in the sport when it involves playing against others 

[WDSmart]

23 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

25 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

That's one way to do it: physical examination. But what about those who have had transgender surgeries and no longer have the genitals that had at birth? And there will be some that have a mix of male/female genitals. What then? 

 

   Then they cannot participate in the sport when it involves playing against others 

As I said in my opening comments, we just have to have rules that help sports leagues deal with this. If what you suggest is the rule, then that's the way it will be. I don't like it because it then prohibits transgender people from participating in sports. That, IMO, is unnecessarily discriminatory. But, I know many who are in the right-wing politically demand "black-and-white" rules (pardon the obvious reference to racial discrimination), with no recognition that there are those who do not completely fit in just one of two categories. Unless we completely deny transgender people any rights, this will be an ongoing problem.

[georgegeorgia]

39 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Then they cannot participate in the sport when it involves playing against others 

Sounds definitely like a Anomaly to me !

[Nick Carter icp]

25 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

. I don't like it because it then prohibits transgender people from participating in sports. That, IMO, is unnecessarily discriminatory.

 

   They can play in the Mens  team sports or just not play at all . 

I would like to play in goal for the Thai woman's International football team , but I am not allowed .

   In this life you need to understand that you cannot do some things .

You cannot say Yes to everything , everytime someone wants to do something .

   You can say No

[WDSmart]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They can play in the Mens  team sports or just not play at all . 

I would like to play in goal for the Thai woman's International football team , but I am not allowed .

   In this life you need to understand that you cannot do some things .

You cannot say Yes to everything , everytime someone wants to do something .

   You can say No

Why would you only pick out the men's teams for the inclusion of transgender people? And would that include all transgender people? If so, why?

I have never wanted to play in goal for any soccer team, so whether I'm allowed or not is not a problem for me.

 

As you say, you are not allowed to do some things in this life. That's because some people, it may be just a powerful few or it may be a large majority, say you are not allowed. 

I agree that you cannot say yes to everything every time someone wants to do something, but you don't have to just say no. 

You can try to make adjustments to accommodate them.

 

[Hanaguma]

On 12/14/2024 at 11:20 AM, Oliver Holzerfilled said:

 

We lost "carpet munchers" as a descriptor not due to wokeism but to changing social standards in grooming habits.

Could "pillow biter" be far behind?

[James105]

47 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Why would you only pick out the men's teams for the inclusion of transgender people? And would that include all transgender people? If so, why?

 

Because a man pretending to be a woman is a man so should play in the mens team.  

[WDSmart]

47 minutes ago, James105 said:

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

Why would you only pick out the men's teams for the inclusion of transgender people? And would that include all transgender people? If so, why?

 

Because a man pretending to be a woman is a man so should play in the mens team.  

Well, what about the opposite transgender person? Someone you would describe as "a woman pretending to be a man"? And these people aren't "pretending." They believe that are the gender they claim to be. 

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Well, what about the opposite transgender person? Someone you would describe as "a woman pretending to be a man"? And these people aren't "pretending." They believe that are the gender they claim to be. 

 

   They can believe anything they want to believe , but that doesn't mean the whole World has to believe it as well 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

I have never wanted to play in goal for any soccer team, so whether I'm allowed or not is not a problem for me.
 

 

   I didn't actually me me or you  , I was making the point that many people in the World would want to play sports for any given sporting team, but for a variety of reasons they cannot play for the team they would like to .

   Many people would like to play for their Country in a World Cup final, BUT , most people cannot 

[James105]

36 minutes ago, WDSmart said:

Well, what about the opposite transgender person? Someone you would describe as "a woman pretending to be a man"? And these people aren't "pretending." They believe that are the gender they claim to be. 

 

A woman pretending to be a man is a woman so they compete against women so long as they haven't taken performance enhancing drugs (which would be against the rules).  It's all very simple.  Men compete against men, women compete against women.  Orwell assumed it would be 2+2=5 as the falsehood to be accepted as reality.  It seems in this timeline gender is the chosen manipulation of facts and reality to emphasize control over thought and belief.   

[WDSmart]

15 hours ago, James105 said:

 

A woman pretending to be a man is a woman so they compete against women so long as they haven't taken performance enhancing drugs (which would be against the rules).  It's all very simple.  Men compete against men, women compete against women.  Orwell assumed it would be 2+2=5 as the falsehood to be accepted as reality.  It seems in this timeline gender is the chosen manipulation of facts and reality to emphasize control over thought and belief.   

So, I ask for the umpteenth time, "How do you determine a person's gender to decide if they qualify to play on either a male or female sports team?" 

[James105]

1 hour ago, WDSmart said:

So, I ask for the umpteenth time, "How do you determine a person's gender to decide if they qualify to play on either a male or female sports team?" 

 

Check their birth certificate or passport where their sex is recorded if in doubt.  Men play on mens team.   Women play on women's.  Tens of thousands of years of evolution and yet you are struggling with this most fundamentally basic of biological concepts?  

[WDSmart]

1 hour ago, James105 said:

 

Check their birth certificate or passport where their sex is recorded if in doubt.  Men play on mens team.   Women play on women's.  Tens of thousands of years of evolution and yet you are struggling with this most fundamentally basic of biological concepts?  

Birth certificates and passports have not been used for tens of thousands of years. They are only recent developments in the way humans record their classification of each other. They only allow for two options based on physical traits at birth and do not consider psychological traits that develop later. 

I don't really expect our rules on this to change anytime soon, but it's obvious they are at least being reconsidered.