Antarctica

[rattlesnake]

A treaty signed by all countries of the world prevents ordinary citizens from going there. Whistleblowers such as Erick Hecker, ex contractor for Raytheon, has testified that there are exotic weapons and technology there that are beyond anything humans could ever produce or conceive.

Any thoughts? Insights?

 

https://rumble.com/v3aapwb-advanced-weaponry-in-antartica-base.html

[Airalee]

Hmmm 🤔 

 

Remember HAARP?  Did anything ever come from that?  There used to be all kinds of speculation as to what it’s true purpose was.

[Hummin]

5 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

A treaty signed by all countries of the world prevents ordinary citizens from going there. Whistleblowers such as Erick Hecker, ex contractor for Raytheon, has testified that there are exotic weapons and technology there that are beyond anything humans could ever produce or conceive.

Any thoughts? Insights?

 

https://rumble.com/v3aapwb-advanced-weaponry-in-antartica-base.html

If you want to waste your life on distractions, go ahead, enjoy. Obviously gives you the energy tonget through your Grey days. 

 

Marry christmas

[Iron Tongue]

Yawn.  Tin foil hat conspiracies.

There are almost 20 countries with overlapping claims to Antarctica.  It is also far from most country's ability to quickly reach, making it difficult to impossible to attack or defend. 

A base far from your resources & strengths is a stupid choice to develop advanced weapons & military technology.

 

 

 

[Hummin]

53 minutes ago, Iron Tongue said:

Yawn.  Tin foil hat conspiracies.

There are almost 20 countries with overlapping claims to Antarctica.  It is also far from most country's ability to quickly reach, making it difficult to impossible to attack or defend. 

A base far from your resources & strengths is a stupid choice to develop advanced weapons & military technology.

 

 

 

I have 3 friends who have been skiing to Antarctica 

 

One of them

 

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/cheese-doodles-cheers-south-pole-explorer/

[rattlesnake]

8 hours ago, Airalee said:

Hmmm 🤔 

 

Remember HAARP?  Did anything ever come from that?  There used to be all kinds of speculation as to what it’s true purpose was.

 

Was Hugo Chavez Right About HAARP & The HAITI Earthquake? Is Weather Even Natural Anymore?

 

The US military has developed advanced capabilities that enable it selectively to alter weather patterns. The technology, which is being perfected under the High-frequency Active Auroral Research Program (HAARP), is an appendage of the Strategic Defense Initiative – ‘Star Wars’. From a military standpoint, HAARP is a weapon of mass destruction, operating from the outer atmosphere and capable of destabilising agricultural and ecological systems around the world.

 

https://www.thelastamericanvagabond.com/was-hugo-chavez-right-about-haarp-the-haiti-earthquake-is-weather-even-natural-anymore/

[rattlesnake]

1 hour ago, Hummin said:

I have 3 friends who have been skiing to Antarctica 

 

One of them

 

https://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/cheese-doodles-cheers-south-pole-explorer/

 

Your friends went to the small outlying enclave where tourism is allowed. My uncle went snowmobiling there.

 

I'm talking about the actual mainland, and if you reserach it seriously, you will see it is virtually impossible to obtain the required permit and access it.

 

What permits are needed for Antarctica?
All human activities, whether for science or tourism, have to go through an Environmental Impact Assessment by a relevant Competent Authority/government agency. Critically, IAATO Member operators have agreed that their activities must have less than a minor or transitory impact on the environment. They submit permit applications annually to their Competent Authority/government agency and, if their planned activities meet all criteria, they are authorized and a permit granted.
https://iaato.org/faqs/#

 

The Antarctic Treaty

https://iaato.org/about-iaato/the-antarctic-treaty/

 

[black tabby12345]

 

A treaty signed by all countries of the world prevents ordinary citizens from going there.

 

Is it?

I have heard of quite a few Antarctica tours are operated from Australia and Argentina though.

 

 

[rattlesnake]

A very interesting interview by Admiral Byrd, after his expedition to the South Pole during which he spoke of an area of land as big as the US below the surface.

 

 

[mokwit]

10 hours ago, rattlesnake said:

A treaty signed by all countries of the world prevents ordinary citizens from going there. Whistleblowers such as Erick Hecker, ex contractor for Raytheon, has testified that there are exotic weapons and technology there that are beyond anything humans could ever produce or conceive.

Any thoughts? Insights?

 

https://rumble.com/v3aapwb-advanced-weaponry-in-antartica-base.html

Doesn't stop people over fishing Antarctic Toothfish there (sold as Snowfish).

[Hummin]

10 minutes ago, mokwit said:

Doesn't stop people over fishing Antarctic Toothfish there (sold as Snowfish).

And the Krill harvesting for oil

 

A disaster, sad really

[Skeptic7]

On 12/24/2024 at 2:49 PM, rattlesnake said:

A very interesting interview by Admiral Byrd, after his expedition to the South Pole during which he spoke of an area of land as big as the US below the surface.

 

 

At approximately 2 minutes in, he claims there's something that he himself admits he's never seen (but wishes to) and says...NOT been seen by any human being❗So how can he possibly know❓Wait...unless he's NOT human. That must be it❗❗❗👽 

[Skeptic7]

On 12/24/2024 at 2:49 PM, rattlesnake said:

very interesting interview by Admiral Byrd, after his expedition to the South Pole during which he spoke of an area of land as big as the US below the surface.

Where does he claim "below the surface"❓ 

 

He was referring to the areas on the “eastern" side of the Antarctic continent coming from Little America. Little America is on the western side and 800 miles from the geographical South Pole. There was/is a huge area to the east, which in Byrd's day which was totally unexplored. This is obviously to what the good Admiral was referring. Not some secret/hidden continent. 

[Phillip9]

On 12/24/2024 at 5:13 AM, rattlesnake said:

A treaty signed by all countries of the world prevents ordinary citizens from going there.

 

Actually only 58 countries.  Less than 30% of all the countries in the world.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System

[rattlesnake]

6 hours ago, Phillip9 said:

 

Actually only 58 countries.  Less than 30% of all the countries in the world.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System

 

You are absolutely correct. Thank you for clarifying this.

[Nick Carter icp]

On 12/24/2024 at 4:13 AM, rattlesnake said:

A treaty signed by all countries of the world prevents ordinary citizens from going there.

 

Its too dangerous, they might fall over the edge of the World if they cross the ice ridges 

[rattlesnake]

16 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

Its too dangerous, they might fall over the edge of the World if they cross the ice ridges 

 

This is by far the smartest thing you've said this year, Nick.

 

[rattlesnake]

Here is the Antarctic Treaty for reference:
https://www.gc.noaa.gov/documents/1959-Antarctic-treaty.pdf

“The Antarctic Treaty area” referred to in the treaty is defined as “the area south of 60 degrees lattitude”. This is, effectively, the vast majority of the land, outside areas designated for tourism.

 

Here is the link to the US Department of State Handbook of the Antarctic Treaty system:

https://2009-2017.state.gov/e/oes/rls/rpts/ant/index.htm

Tourism and other non-governmental activities:

“The environmental protocol designates Antarctica as a giant natural reserve…”.

Like in a military base, all activities and pathways in Antarctica must be approved. This in itself is remarkable and unique (with the exception of North Korea, probably).
No motorised vehicles are allowed in order not to disturb wildlife:
“Do not use aircraft, vessels, small boats, or other means of transport in ways that disturb wildlife, either at sea or on land.”

Antarctica stretches across thousands of miles, which are virtually impossible to explore without a means of transport. And permits are required on top of that:

 

To explore or traverse Antarctica, you not only need a permit, which entails a close examination of your purpose, parties, credentials, backing, etc., you must also submit a (very expensive) environmental impact statement and much more. Also, you’re required to avoid substantial amounts of land. This renders Antarctica explorations virtually impossible for anyone outside “official” sources.

If you want to travel to Antarctica, you must complete the following form (DS-4131 “Advance Notification Form – Tourist and Other Non-Governmental Activities in the Antarctic Treaty Area“): https://eforms.state.gov/Forms/ds4131.PDF

Once you submit the form, “The Department of State, in consultation with the Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) and the National Science Foundation (NSF), will then determine whether the expedition is subject to U.S. jurisdiction. If we determine that the expedition falls under U.S. jurisdiction, we will provide information on how to proceed with the EPA and NSF documentation processes, which are mandatory under U.S. law.” https://travel.state.gov/content/passports/en/country/antarctica.html

All this combined makes it virtually impossible to travel beyond the areas allocated to touristic routes, the vast territory south of 60 degrees lattitude.

 

Also notable are the Antarctic Specially Protected Areas, which amount to 1,373 sqm and whose access is strictly forbidden under any conditions.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 12/24/2024 at 10:13 AM, rattlesnake said:

A treaty signed by all countries of the world prevents ordinary citizens from going there. Whistleblowers such as Erick Hecker, ex contractor for Raytheon, has testified that there are exotic weapons and technology there that are beyond anything humans could ever produce or conceive.

Any thoughts? Insights?

 

https://rumble.com/v3aapwb-advanced-weaponry-in-antartica-base.html

It's rubbish. I actually lived and worked there and there were no rumours of anything like that.

 

Ordinary citizens should not be allowed there as they would have  no clue how to survive and require rescuing. In any event there is no way for them to go there with the amount of equipment required to survive. Actually there is no way of them getting there PERIOD. Ordinary citizens can only go there on organised tours, and if they tried leaving they would die.

 

Antarctica is a vast continent with zero way of living off the land, except the coasts where penguins and seals live, and then only in a few places and usually only in summer. The amount of equipment and buildings required to live there is immense and requires a massive supply during the few weeks that ships can get to the land, through the pack ice.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 12/24/2024 at 8:48 PM, black tabby12345 said:

 

A treaty signed by all countries of the world prevents ordinary citizens from going there.

 

Is it?

I have heard of quite a few Antarctica tours are operated from Australia and Argentina though.

 

 

Yes and they go to only a very very few places and then only under the most stringent environmental control. They might sleep on the ice in a tent for a night, but that would be the extent of it. No way they just go wandering around by themselves.

 

When I was working there, every scientific party going into the field had a mountaineer minder along to make sure they didn't die.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 12/24/2024 at 8:49 PM, rattlesnake said:

A very interesting interview by Admiral Byrd, after his expedition to the South Pole during which he spoke of an area of land as big as the US below the surface.

 

 

? Of course there is land under the Antarctic ice cap. Before the ice it apparently had trees growing on it.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 12/28/2024 at 12:20 AM, Phillip9 said:

 

Actually only 58 countries.  Less than 30% of all the countries in the world.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antarctic_Treaty_System

Most countries would not be willing to pay the millions required to have a base there.

[Phillip9]

3 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Most countries would not be willing to pay the millions required to have a base there.

 

Of course, but that treaty is not just about having a base there.  It's also about what private companies are allowed to do there.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 12/28/2024 at 8:52 AM, rattlesnake said:

Here is the Antarctic Treaty for reference:
https://www.gc.noaa.gov/documents/1959-Antarctic-treaty.pdf

It's all BS anyway. Antarctica doesn't belong to any country. They just have areas they laid claim to, but if anyone wanted to go down there as long as they avoided inhabited areas, there is no way to stop them. However if they lived in a treaty country and bragged about it on social media, they might get a visit once back in home country. There is no Antarctic police force, no navy patrolling the coasts etc. The main thing preventing people going there is that it's just too difficult to get there and live to return.

 

Far as I'm concerned the Antarctic Treaty mob are just uber self important woke idiots that couldn't get a proper job. No way I'd ever take them seriously. Problem is the politicians that make the "rules" only get to do a couple of days on a carefully controlled jolly, and have zero idea of the reality.

If they actually wanted to "save" the Antarctic, they would ban all bases down there. The amount of pollution that McMurdo station creates is immense, with all the planes and ships that go there to support it, and does anyone think they stick all the sewage from a thousand people in a barrel and return it to the US?

[thaibeachlovers]

8 minutes ago, Phillip9 said:

 

Of course, but that treaty is not just about having a base there.  It's also about what private companies are allowed to do there.

 

I agree with that, but if one knows what the place is like one knows that there will never be enough tourists going there to actually do any damage. Unlike the governments which have thousands of people and massive bases there.

 

Like I said it's just BS. Nitpick those that can't do any damage, while ignoring the government operations that do.

[Phillip9]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It's all BS anyway. Antarctica doesn't belong to any country. They just have areas they laid claim to, but if anyone wanted to go down there as long as they avoided inhabited areas, there is no way to stop them. However if they lived in a treaty country and bragged about it on social media, they might get a visit once back in home country. There is no Antarctic police force, no navy patrolling the coasts etc. The main thing preventing people going there is that it's just too difficult to get there and live to return.

 

I think you are seriously underestimating the ability of large corporations to exploit natural resources.  Without the treaty large corporations would certainly have mining, oil. & gas, and or fishing operations down there.  Fishing and whaling vessels already routinely operate just outside the treaty area.

 

There doesn't need to be any police force down there to prevent a company based in one of the signatory countries from setting up some operation there.  Any company that did that would simply be prosecuted in the courts in their home country.

[Hummin]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

I agree with that, but if one knows what the place is like one knows that there will never be enough tourists going there to actually do any damage. Unlike the governments which have thousands of people and massive bases there.

 

Like I said it's just BS. Nitpick those that can't do any damage, while ignoring the government operations that do.

Take a look at base camp at Mount everest and all the way to the top. Full of human waste, dead bodies and garbage. Trust me, if there where a opening, it would be flooded with people willing to pay alot of money for an adventure.

 

There has been several expeditions in Dronning (Queen) Mauds land for climbing and other extreme sports. And trust me, if they open up, I will be popular. 

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, Phillip9 said:

 

I think you are seriously underestimating the ability of large corporations to exploit natural resources.  Without the treaty large corporations would certainly have mining, oil. & gas, and or fishing operations down there.  Fishing and whaling vessels already routinely operate just outside the treaty area.

 

There doesn't need to be any police force down there to prevent a company based in one of the signatory countries from setting up some operation there.  Any company that did that would simply be prosecuted in the courts in their home country.

I thought I was being specific to the bureaucracy concerning travel to Antarctica, which is IMO BS.

Preventing companies exploiting the resources is a separate thing.

 

BTW, I spent a night in an American tent in the Dry valleys that covered the well head of a test drill pipe searching for ....................... ( I'll let you speculate as to what they might drill for down there, bur it wasn't for water )

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, Hummin said:

Take a look at base camp at Mount everest and all the way to the top. Full of human waste, dead bodies and garbage. Trust me, if there where a opening, it would be flooded with people willing to pay alot of money for an adventure.

I'm well aware of that and there is a lot of activity in Antarctica of that nature. The point I'm making is that a few hundred people on top of a massive pile of ice is not going to damage anything, as long as they stay well away from the wild life. A spot of frozen poo isn't going to affect any ecology. ( as an aside  on that, the outdoor loo at Shackleton's hut on Cape Royds had the most spectacular view on the planet, IMO ).

Thing about Antarctica is that most of it is just ice as far as the eye can see- boring. The only interesting bits are on the coast and that is where the ships go.

[kwilco]

On 12/23/2024 at 9:13 PM, rattlesnake said:

A treaty signed by all countries of the world prevents ordinary citizens from going there. Whistleblowers such as Erick Hecker, ex contractor for Raytheon, has testified that there are exotic weapons and technology there that are beyond anything humans could ever produce or conceive.

Any thoughts? Insights?

 

https://rumble.com/v3aapwb-advanced-weaponry-in-antartica-base.html

 

On 12/23/2024 at 9:13 PM, rattlesnake said:

A treaty signed by all countries of the world prevents ordinary citizens from going there.

Totally incorrect - in fact most of the people on Antarctica are civilians.