Elon Musk Advocates for Tommy Robinson’s Release Amid Criticism of UK Leadership

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How would a Parliamentary inquiry impact people being imprisoned? 
 

The history of Parliamentary Inquiries resulting in prison sentences can be demonstrated by the fact that the Hillsborough, Contaminated Blood, Post Office and Grenfell inquiries resulted one single criminal imprisonment.

 

There’s already been an inquiry, it was instigated by the last Tory Government which also set the terms of reference.

 

I’ll make a prediction, if a second inquiry does take place, you’ll all be back here claiming that too is a cover-up or some other fanciful conspiracy.
 

Justice for the victims that were horribly gang raped and in many cases their animal perpetrators getting off scot free because of the the officials concerned. Forget the politics a minute, we are talking about 1000's of white girls raped by these Pakistani predator's and there has been no justice for them.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, brewsterbudgen said:

 

No worries.  Just be more careful with your wording, especially when linking to a Musk post.

I will post as I see fit, the fact it went over your head is on you and you alone

[brewsterbudgen]

37 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How would a Parliamentary inquiry impact people being imprisoned? 
 

The history of Parliamentary Inquiries resulting in prison sentences can be demonstrated by the fact that the Hillsborough, Contaminated Blood, Post Office and Grenfell inquiries resulted one single criminal imprisonment.

 

There’s already been an inquiry, it was instigated by the last Tory Government which also set the terms of reference.

 

I’ll make a prediction, if a second inquiry does take place, you’ll all be back here claiming that too is a cover-up or some other fanciful conspiracy.
 

 

You'd be right!  Maybe the recommendations from the last inquiry should be actioned before another one is carried out.   The political point-scoring from Musk and the right is just that, and shameful.  

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

You'd be right!  Maybe the recommendations from the last inquiry should be actioned before another one is carried out.   The political point-scoring from Musk and the right is just that, and shameful.  

You'd also be right if you didn't want justice for the victims and no  consequences for those that allowed it to happen. Actions can be carried out now as can a proper investigation.

[SunnyinBangrak]

17 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

You'd be right!  Maybe the recommendations from the last inquiry should be actioned before another one is carried out.   The political point-scoring from Musk and the right is just that, and shameful.  

While the silencing and denying justice for the 250,000++ young white girls often children is something to be proud of? Musk is right, sir kier should be banged up in his role in assisting the gangs.

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

While the silencing and denying justice for the 250,000++ young white girls often children is something to be proud of? Musk is right, sir kier should be banged up in his role in assisting the gangs.

Can you provide a link to 250,000+++ young white girls often children?

 

 

[Centigrade32]

8 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

for the 250,000++ young white girls often children

 

I'd also like to see this proof. 

[James105]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Can you provide a link to 250,000+++ young white girls often children?

 

 

 

You don't really want a link, you just want a messenger to shoot, but have some very uncomfortable reading about what your revered friends have been up to:

 

"and that is for the victims of all sexual abuse, not just for the 250,000 victims of radical Muslim grooming gangs, which in itself is probably an underestimate.

I say that because, if you take the accepted figure of 1,400 victims in Rotherham alone and extend it across the country, you come to a much larger figure. Indeed, Rotherham’s MP, the courageous Sarah Champion, has put the figure at 1 million. "

 

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2019-05-14/debates/349FA275-CB65-45C0-87C7-EE16D1FD1B0A/GroomingGangs

[SunnyinBangrak]

18 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Can you provide a link to 250,000+++ young white girls often children?

 

 

From Lord Pearson, nobody questioning this.

 

"Therefore, the basic support seems to be running at some £7.2 million per annum, and that is for the victims of all sexual abuse, not just for the 250,000 victims of radical Muslim grooming gangs, which in itself is probably an underestimate"

 

https://www.parallelparliament.co.uk/lord/lord-pearson-of-rannoch/debate/2019-05-14/lords/grand-committee/grooming-gangs

 

Now, can I ask you. How many young white children is it OK for the "grooming gangs" to have abused? 10? 1,000? 100,000? But the figure 250k triggers you? Most peculiar.

 

Edit to add , thanks James105 you beat me too it. But we know these people know full well the scope and evil of these gangs, but as slways toe the establishment line. Its disgusting, but we clearly dont all share the same moral compass

[Chomper Higgot]

25 minutes ago, James105 said:

 

You don't really want a link, you just want a messenger to shoot, but have some very uncomfortable reading about what your revered friends have been up to:

 

"and that is for the victims of all sexual abuse, not just for the 250,000 victims of radical Muslim grooming gangs, which in itself is probably an underestimate.

I say that because, if you take the accepted figure of 1,400 victims in Rotherham alone and extend it across the country, you come to a much larger figure. Indeed, Rotherham’s MP, the courageous Sarah Champion, has put the figure at 1 million. "

 

https://hansard.parliament.uk/lords/2019-05-14/debates/349FA275-CB65-45C0-87C7-EE16D1FD1B0A/GroomingGangs

Oh it was something someone said, an extrapolation.

 

I thought for a moment it might be based on some credible and checkable data, maybe some research or data from police records.

 

Who are these ‘friends of mine’ you refer to James?

 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh it was something someone said, an extrapolation.

 

I thought for a moment it might be based on some credible and checkable data, maybe some research or data from police records.

 

Who are these ‘friends of mine’ you refer to James?

 

The same police records that avoided prosecuting or even arresting them. Are you sure you've read the previous investigations and inquires?

[Patong2021]

12 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  No, Tommy didn't launder money in any real estate, you are making that bit up , it isn't true .

   Once again you are being deceptive and dishonest .

Tommy helped a self employed friend get some fake payslips so he could apply for a mortgage .

   That mortgage would be repaid to the bank in the normal way .

No money was stolen 

 

No I am not making anything up. The man is currently being chased  by creditors for millions of pounds, so financial fraud is nothing new to this man.   True or false: Lennon pleaded guilty to mortgage fraud.

 

You present  Lennon as an altruistic fellow "helping his friend". Why then did the presiding judge speciifically mention Lennon's role as the architect and originator of the fraud?  You have no basis upon which to assert that the  fraudulent borrower would have been able to service the mortgage.

If the person was unable to honestly demonstrate that he could service the debt, then it was unlikely that the debt would be serviced. 

 

Money is indeed stolen in a mortgage fraud, because the funds are  obtained under false pretenses. The money would not have been disbursed  in the absence of the false documents.

 

For reference sake; The mortgage fraud penalty will reflect the seriousness of the crime. Therefore it will be influenced by such factors as;

-The amount of harm caused to the victim

-The amount of money defrauded

-The alleged role the defendant played in the fraud

-Aggravating factors (e.g. concealment or destruction of evidence)

-Previous convictions

-Remorse

-Any other charges, such has money laundering

 

Lennon caused financial harm;i t was a large amount,;he was deemed to be the.organizer; he attempted to obfuscate evidence; he showed no remorse and money laundering  was alleged in the activities as some of the participants were implicated in drug trafficking.  

 

Feel free to keep defending the serial offender Lennon as an altruistic angel. The facts show that he is a career criminal and is currently trying to  evade multiple civil  financial judgements.  At some point some of his victims are going to plant a shiv in him.

 

[Patong2021]

12 hours ago, James105 said:

 

Look at the energy you are giving to someone obtaining a mortgage by effectively lying about their earnings compared to the lack of energy you give about the mass rape of children by majority pakistani men that was covered up by the police, the CPS, the council, the MPs for decades, which led to the preventable rapes of tens of thousands of children.  

 

I honestly do not know how you people can look at yourselves in the mirror.  Disgusting.  

 

These are two separate cases.  Refusing to support Yaxley Lennon  does not mean one supports the  abuse that occurred.  Yaxley Lennon is attempting to use the Pakistani grooming  gangs as a means of rehabilitating his image. He is the last person who should be involved in the case. There are multiple honest and ethical people  already involved far better placed to  see the changes needed through.

 

There was already an initiative to address the issue and it was not because of the football hooligan who  some are holding out as the initiator of the review. On the contrary, he is riding the tailcoats of those who have been following up on the subject.  The sad reality is that no one has agreed to implement the necessary changes that were  identified in the  2022 report. There is no need for additional inquiries, because the 2022 report already identified the responsible parties and  identified the  deficiencies that allowed the abuse to occur.  More inquiries will delay the need for immediate decisive changes.  Why aren't the changes being implemented?

 

If there was  genuine concern in the Conservative or Reform  caucuses, they would be  demanding the implementation of the changes. The Lib Dems and Labour are just as guilty and worse are the independent MPs who have resisted the changes. (Ask  Jeremy Corbyn and his friends like Galloway why they have not supported the. changes.)

 

Prof Alexis Jay, the former chair of a national inquiry into child sexual abuse, has called for the "full implementation" of reforms set out in her 2022 report, which warned of "endemic" abuse across society in England and Wales.  A campaign group chaired by Prof Jay, called Act on IICSA, said ministers must commit to a "clear timeline" to adopt the recommendations laid out by the Independent Inquiry Child Sexual Abuse (IICSA). 

   

The IICSA national inquiry was set up in 2015 and carried out 15 investigations, including into grooming gangs and abuse in schools and church settings.   Prof Jay had previously led a landmark local inquiry into widescale abuse in Rotherham, where it was estimated 1,400 children were exploited between 1997 and 2013, predominantly by men of Pakistani heritage.

The IICSA's final report was published in 2022 and set out 20 recommendations it said were necessary to reduce child suffering.  They included setting up a national child protection authority, implementing tighter controls on who can work with vulnerable children, legislating to force tech firms to take stronger action over online abuse material and making not reporting abuse a criminal offence.

 

Prof Jay said: has previously said she was "frustrated" at the previous Conservative government's lack of progress in adopting the recommendations, and described its response as "weak", which the Home Office disputed at the time.

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/ce8xl4d3m81o

 

What's another inquiry going to achieve when we all know what the issues are? For example, one of the rapists who should have been deported, was allowed to remain because of the hardship it would cause his children. In what diseased Fed up world is that an appropriate excuse? No inquiry is going to change the fact that the rapist could make that case. Worse still is that there are people who will disrupt a flight that is deporting such a person. It is all part of the idiocy that has allowed 36,000 illegal migrants to cross the channel and to then collect social benefits.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

53 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

No I am not making anything up. The man is currently being chased  by creditors for millions of pounds, so financial fraud is nothing new to this man.   True or false: Lennon pleaded guilty to mortgage fraud.

 

 

   I said that you made the bit up about Tommy money laundering .

I said that that bit you made up.

You haven't addressed that bit, you just went on to other subjects .

When did Tommy launder any money ?

 

[brewsterbudgen]

https://x.com/i/status/1876338280305656114

 

Well worth watching the Home Secretary's response to her shadow's politicking.

[riclag]

On 1/5/2025 at 9:34 PM, jayboy said:

 

And so it goes on, the instant attempt at deflection.These people will always try to find a way to avoid the issue, namely industrial scale abuse and rape mainly by people of Pakistani ethnicity.The deniers tend to be insignificant and intellectually under powered, and one need not pay too much attention to them.One must be less forgiving of cowardly politicians, while recognizing the bravery of a few.So the issue festers and poisons British politics allowing (in my view) an ugly right wing movement to have a chance of power.

I like Murray he has many years under his belt in researching  Islam and the progressive movement to make normalization in western culture!
 

You must understand the Progressives.They are intolerant to any discussion of any of their quest to uniting the world or else they will cancel or call  you out!

You brought up Murray , who was labeled by wikipedia as a conspiracy theorist , Islamophobia .  

“Murray has been praised by conservatives, and criticised by many progressives.^{[11][12][13][14]}Articles in the academic journals Ethnic and Racial Studies and National Identities associate his views with Islamophobia^[15][16] and he has been linked to far-right political ideologies^[17]and the promotion of far-right ideas such as the Eurabia, Great Replacement, and Cultural Marxism conspiracy theories”.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Douglas_Murray_(author)

[Will B Good]

4 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

https://x.com/i/status/1876338280305656114

 

Well worth watching the Home Secretary's response to her shadow's politicking.

 

 

Well and truly schooled.

[Nick Carter icp]

On 1/6/2025 at 10:12 AM, James105 said:

 

Look at the energy you are giving to someone obtaining a mortgage by effectively lying about their earnings compared to the lack of energy you give about the mass rape of children by majority pakistani men that was covered up by the police, the CPS, the council, the MPs for decades, which led to the preventable rapes of tens of thousands of children.  

 

I honestly do not know how you people can look at yourselves in the mirror.  Disgusting.  

 

   Not even necessarily lying about their earnings .

Banks will not give mortgages to self employed people like builders or what ever , they only give mortgages to people who are employed .

   So he might have used fake payslips , even though his income was the same as the fake payslips

[Will B Good]

12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

Banks will not give mortgages to self employed people like builders

 

 

Your 100% sure about that?

[jayboy]

52 minutes ago, riclag said:

You brought up Murray , who was labeled by wikipedia ....

 

It is usually a terrible idea to reference Wikipedia as a source.In Douglas Murray's case it definitely is because he is "controversial."

 

It's not a political bias on my part because Murray is on the right.I would be equally sceptical about Wiki pieces on controversial left wingers like Jeremy Corbyn.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, Will B Good said:

 

 

Your 100% sure about that?

 

  Yes, as a self employed builder myself who has applied for mortgage, I do know what 

[Chomper Higgot]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Yes, as a self employed builder myself who has applied for mortgage, I do know what 

This might be of help.

 

I believe they also have a service to check your credit rating.

 

 

https://www.experian.co.uk/consumer/mortgages/guides/self-employed.html

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This might be of help.

 

I believe they also have a service to check your credit rating.

 

 

https://www.experian.co.uk/consumer/mortgages/guides/self-employed.html

 

  Its OK, I got a mortgage in the end , 

[Will B Good]

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Yes, as a self employed builder myself who has applied for mortgage, I do know what 

 

So no self-employed person in the UK has ever been successful in applying for a mortgage?

[josephbloggs]

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Its OK, I got a mortgage in the end , 

So self employed people can get mortgages!! Wow!! Who'd have thought?

Or did Yaxley help you as a champion of the people?

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, josephbloggs said:

So self employed people can get mortgages!! Wow!! Who'd have thought?

Or did Yaxley help you as a champion of the people?

 

   Yes, but I did mean that its not as easy if your employed ,there are more restrictions .

   Tommy didn't help me, but I did get a mortgage with the help other peoples wage slips .