Another Major Trump Flip-Flop

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1 minute ago, mogandave said:

Oh, I thought he was Putin’s puppet, no?

At the least, he certainly an admirer of Putin. But it does tend to go weak in the knees when it comes to dictators. And even if you are a puppet of Putin's, why would that exclude his belief that he would be admired?

[mogandave]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I say you're making things up. Provide some evidence to back up your statement that virtually every illegal alien is on public assistance. I won't hold my breath waiting.

Do you think they pay for healthcare and education? 

 

Every illegal with a US born child gets federal benefits. 

 

Virtually every sanctuary city extent state and local benefits to illegals. 

 

 

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf

 

[mogandave]

7 minutes ago, placeholder said:

At the least, he certainly an admirer of Putin. But it does tend to go weak in the knees when it comes to dictators. And even if you are a puppet of Putin's, why would that exclude his belief that he would be admired?

He was already greatly admired before he ever ran. 

 

Half the country hates him now, why did he run again?

 

You’re not fool enough to believe it was to keep out of jail are you? What a hoot all the “trials” were huh?

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Just now, mogandave said:

Do you think they pay for healthcare and education? 

 

Every illegal with a US born child gets federal benefits. 

 

Virtually every sanctuary city extent state and local benefits to illegals. 

 

 

https://budget.house.gov/imo/media/doc/the_cost_of_illegal_immigration_to_taxpayers.pdf

 

I got news for you. The 14th Amendment states that all persons born in the USA (with the exception of children of foreign diplomats) are citizens of the United States. And even if they weren't, here's your original statement: 

Virtually every illegal alien is on public assistance of some kind. 

As for paying taxes, you think illegal aliens don't pay sales tax in the states they live in? Some states don't even have income tax.

In addition

Undocumented Immigrants' Payments Into Social Security Detailed in Report

Undocumented immigrants paid nearly $26 billion into Social Security coffers in a single year, a new report has found.

New analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) found that undocumented residents paid £25.7 billion into Social Security funds and $6 billion into Medicare in 2022; both programs that they are not entitled to use. In total, undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion, or roughly $9,000 per person, in taxes in 2022.

https://www.newsweek.com/undocumented-immigrants-social-security-payments-report-1931990

[mogandave]

10 minutes ago, placeholder said:

At the least, he certainly an admirer of Putin. But it does tend to go weak in the knees when it comes to dictators. And even if you are a puppet of Putin's, why would that exclude his belief that he would be admired?

“The ‘80s called, they want their foreign policy back!”

 

Remember that? How about the “Russian Reset”? 

 

Putin invaded under Obama and Biden, but not under Trump. 

 

 

[mogandave]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

I got news for you. The 14th Amendment states that all persons born in the USA (with the exception of children of foreign diplomats) are citizens of the United States. And even if they weren't, here's your original statement: 

Virtually every illegal alien is on public assistance of some kind. 

As for paying taxes, you think illegal aliens don't pay sales tax in the states they live in? Some states don't even have income tax.

In addition

Undocumented Immigrants' Payments Into Social Security Detailed in Report

Undocumented immigrants paid nearly $26 billion into Social Security coffers in a single year, a new report has found.

New analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) found that undocumented residents paid £25.7 billion into Social Security funds and $6 billion into Medicare in 2022; both programs that they are not entitled to use. In total, undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion, or roughly $9,000 per person, in taxes in 2022.

https://www.newsweek.com/undocumented-immigrants-social-security-payments-report-1931990

That’s not news to me. 

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3 minutes ago, mogandave said:

He was already greatly admired before he ever ran. 

 

Half the country hates him now, why did he run again?

 

You’re not fool enough to believe it was to keep out of jail are you? What a hoot all the “trials” were huh?

Deflecting much?

[mogandave]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I got news for you. The 14th Amendment states that all persons born in the USA (with the exception of children of foreign diplomats) are citizens of the United States. And even if they weren't, here's your original statement: 

Virtually every illegal alien is on public assistance of some kind. 

As for paying taxes, you think illegal aliens don't pay sales tax in the states they live in? Some states don't even have income tax.

In addition

Undocumented Immigrants' Payments Into Social Security Detailed in Report

Undocumented immigrants paid nearly $26 billion into Social Security coffers in a single year, a new report has found.

New analysis by the Institute on Taxation and Economic Policy (ITEP) found that undocumented residents paid £25.7 billion into Social Security funds and $6 billion into Medicare in 2022; both programs that they are not entitled to use. In total, undocumented immigrants paid $96.7 billion, or roughly $9,000 per person, in taxes in 2022.

https://www.newsweek.com/undocumented-immigrants-social-security-payments-report-1931990

They pay in a hundred million and cost half a trillion. 

 

https://homeland.house.gov/2023/11/16/what-they-are-saying-homeland-majoritys-fourth-interim-report-on-the-financial-cost-of-secretary-mayorkas-border-crisis/

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Just now, mogandave said:

That’s not news to me. 

The benefits are for the chldren They're U.S. citizens. So they're entitled

[mogandave]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Deflecting much?

No, you?

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1 minute ago, mogandave said:

They pay in a hundred million and cost half a trillion. 

 

https://homeland.house.gov/2023/11/16/what-they-are-saying-homeland-majoritys-fourth-interim-report-on-the-financial-cost-of-secretary-mayorkas-border-crisis/

Actually, the claim is that it was up to 451 billion. And it was a Republican committee that issued that finding. At the time, they were on the warpath and looking to impeach Mayorkas. That fell apart. What's more, it was referencing when illegal immigration was at its height.

And that figure of 100 million comes from where? There are at least 10 million undocumented aliens in the US. Are you seriouly claiming that on average each one pays on average only $10 per year in sales taxes alone?

[mogandave]

19 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually, the claim is that it was up to 451 billion. And it was a Republican committee that issued that finding. At the time, they were on the warpath and looking to impeach Mayorkas. That fell apart. What's more, it was referencing when illegal immigration was at its height.

And that figure of 100 million comes from where? There are at least 10 million undocumented aliens in the US. Are you seriouly claiming that on average each one pays on average only $10 per year in sales taxes alone?

So your Newsweek article is more reliable that the bipartisan house committee? 

 

Too funny 

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3 minutes ago, mogandave said:

So your Newsweek article is more reliable that the bipartisan house committee? 

 

Too funny 

Bipartisan? It is to laugh. , This is the report of the Republican majority and it's agitprop. Look at the headlines they quote in this report. All right wing media.

 

House Democrats release new report defending Mayorkas against GOP's "sham" impeachment effort

Washington — House Democrats released a report on Monday defending Defense Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas against an impeachment effort they call a "politically motivated sham" aimed at appeasing the far right. 

In their 29-page report, which comes ahead of a House Homeland Security Committee vote on a resolution to impeach the cabinet secretary set for Tuesday, Democrats on the committee argued that the impeachment effort is a "total waste of time," stating that it fails to outline any charge that constitutes treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors — the constitutional basis for impeachment. 

"We don't see the high crimes and misdemeanors standard being met," Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, the top Democrat on the Homeland Security Committee, said in a news conference on Monday. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-democrats-report-alejandro-mayorkas-gops-sham-impeachment/

And if that's not enough, how many Democrats supported the recommendation to impeach Mayorkas?

 

The House voted along party lines last night to impeach Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas. 

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/14/1231326417/house-alejandro-mayorkas-impeachment-george-santos-special-election

 

Too funny.

 

 

[mogandave]

38 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Bipartisan? It is to laugh. , This is the report of the Republican majority and it's agitprop. Look at the headlines they quote in this report. All right wing media.

 

House Democrats release new report defending Mayorkas against GOP's "sham" impeachment effort

Washington — House Democrats released a report on Monday defending Defense Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas against an impeachment effort they call a "politically motivated sham" aimed at appeasing the far right. 

In their 29-page report, which comes ahead of a House Homeland Security Committee vote on a resolution to impeach the cabinet secretary set for Tuesday, Democrats on the committee argued that the impeachment effort is a "total waste of time," stating that it fails to outline any charge that constitutes treason, bribery or other high crimes and misdemeanors — the constitutional basis for impeachment. 

"We don't see the high crimes and misdemeanors standard being met," Rep. Bennie Thompson of Mississippi, the top Democrat on the Homeland Security Committee, said in a news conference on Monday. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/house-democrats-report-alejandro-mayorkas-gops-sham-impeachment/

And if that's not enough, how many Democrats supported the recommendation to impeach Mayorkas?

 

The House voted along party lines last night to impeach Homeland Security Secretary Alejandro Mayorkas. 

https://www.npr.org/2024/02/14/1231326417/house-alejandro-mayorkas-impeachment-george-santos-special-election

 

Too funny.

 

 

Oh,  CBS News, woo-hoo!

[frank83628]

On 1/4/2025 at 1:28 PM, rudi49jr said:

Not to mention this ‘pay to pray’ grift:

 

https://www.nationofchange.org/2024/12/31/exclusive-prayer-for-100k-trumps-inauguration-committee-faces-criticism-over-pay-to-pray-event/

Grow up

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22 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Oh,  CBS News, woo-hoo!

Are you actually claiming that the House Democrats didn't issue that report? Is that all you've got? You've got nothing.

[stevenl]

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

As for not being in it for the money.  Or Trump believed that being President, he would be so widely admired that it would actually inflate the value of his properties.

He's only in it to stay out of prison.

[stevenl]

6 hours ago, placeholder said:

As for not being in it for the money.  Or Trump believed that being President, he would be so widely admired that it would actually inflate the value of his properties.

He's only in it to stay out of prison.

[mogandave]

8 hours ago, stevenl said:

He's only in it to stay out of prison.

Oh, that’s right, he reimbursed his attorney for securing a non-disclosure agreement and called it legal fees….

[mogandave]

9 hours ago, placeholder said:

Are you actually claiming that the House Democrats didn't issue that report? Is that all you've got? You've got nothing.

Are you claiming the facts I presented are untrue?

 

What percentage of illegals do you think pay social security?

 

weak

[thaibeachlovers]

On 1/5/2025 at 4:28 PM, frank83628 said:

However I think the whole thing is fabricated, in fact your whole comment is made up nonsense 

I agree.

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20 hours ago, mogandave said:

“The ‘80s called, they want their foreign policy back!”

 

Remember that? How about the “Russian Reset”? 

 

Putin invaded under Obama and Biden, but not under Trump. 

 

 

"Post hoc ergo propter hoc" It's the latin phrase to define a logical fallacy. It means "after this therefore because of this." How intimidated would Putin be by someone who said he would consider this?

 

Trump to look at recognizing Crimea as Russian territory, lifting sanctions
The United States, along with the EU, has refused to recognize the annexation

Donald Trump said Wednesday he would consider recognizing Crimea as Russian territory and lifting the sanctions against the country if he’s elected president.

At a wide-ranging news conference, Trump said he “would be looking into that” when asked about his stance on Crimea and Russia. The Crimean Peninsula has been part of Ukraine for decades, but Russian President Vladimir Putin annexed the territory in March 2014 after a popular revolt toppled Kiev’s pro-Russian government.

https://www.politico.eu/article/donald-trump-to-look-at-recognizing-crimea-as-russian-territory-lifting-sanctions-putin/

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9 hours ago, mogandave said:

Are you claiming the facts I presented are untrue?

 

What percentage of illegals do you think pay social security?

 

weak

No. I'm claiming that what you presented as facts are actually falsehoods. Lets start here:

 

"Virtually every illegal alien is on public assistance of some kind."

 

Not even CAIR a highly bigoted and suspect organization claims that: According to them, 59% of undocumented alien households receive benefits.