Yes, Virginia, Donald J. Trump WILL be the first convicted felon to become U.S. president

[Jingthing]

23 minutes ago, ericthai said:

 

you're talking about the wrong guy.

 

In politics, a lame duck or outgoing politician is an elected official whose successor has already been elected or will be soon.^[1] An outgoing politician is often seen as having less influence with other politicians due to their limited time left in office. Conversely, a lame duck is free to make decisions that exercise the standard powers with little fear of consequence, such as issuing executive orders, pardons, or other controversial edicts. Lame duck politicians result from term limits, planned retirement, or electoral losses, and are especially noticeable where political systems build in a delay between the announcement of results and the taking of office by election winners. Even at the local level, politicians who do not seek re-election can lose credibility and influence. Uncompleted projects may fall to the wayside as their influence diminishes.

Talking about BOTH guys. 

 

 

Donald Trump’s Lame-Duck Presidential Candidacy - WSJ

 

Donald Trump’s Lame-Duck Presidential Candidacy

Iowa and New Hampshire primary voters have to choose between four more old years or eight new years.

 

 

 

 

 

[jimmybcool]

2 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said:

He was acquitted twice, i.e. he was not impeached, there were two failed attempts to impeach him.

 

Actually he was impeached twice.  The outcome doesn't change the fact he was impeached.  Same with Clinton.  People think he was acquitted because he stayed in office.  In fact he was found guilty of the charges but the punishment wasn't removal from office. 

[Jingthing]

I do want to mention that although I detest Trump with a passion and do believe he's a damnable fascist and among the very worst people ever to come out of the American culture, with no interest whatsoever in upholding the rule of law, protecting the constitution, or improving the quality of life for anyone but billionaires, I still do acknowledge all Americans (and the world) are stuck with him being the U.S. president.

So if he happens to do anything good, anything at all, I will support him on that. I have some hopes that he won't be as bad as I had feared on Ukraine (but he still might), but as far as domestic issues, I have zero expectations. What's all the Musk cutting about?  To pay for more tax cuts for billionaires of course.

[Neeranam]

6 hours ago, LosLobo said:

I thought you would know already -- didn't you reach out for help with the current President, Biden?

No, I'm not American. 

[Hawaiian]

4 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I do want to mention that although I detest Trump with a passion and do believe he's a damnable fascist and among the very worst people ever to come out of the American culture, with no interest whatsoever in upholding the rule of law, protecting the constitution, or improving the quality of life for anyone but billionaires, I still do acknowledge all Americans (and the world) are stuck with him being the U.S. president.

So if he happens to do anything good, anything at all, I will support him on that. I have some hopes that he won't be as bad as I had feared on Ukraine (but he still might), but as far as domestic issues, I have zero expectations. What's all the Musk cutting about?  To pay for more tax cuts for billionaires of course.

Why don't you list some of your expectations on domestic issues, such as illegal immigration and whatever else you think is important for the majority of the country?

[jerrymahoney]

On 1/4/2025 at 6:51 PM, Jingthing said:

One man's prediction.

As it stands Trump enters the presidency again as a convicted felon. 

Trump has indicated on Social media posts this weekend that he intends to fight to postpone the JAN 10 sentencing per Maggie Haberman NY Times.

[Jingthing]

26 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Trump has indicated on Social media posts this weekend that he intends to fight to postpone the JAN 10 sentencing per Maggie Haberman NY Times.

Of course he will fight it. He fights everything.

He's been dodging legal consequences of his actions all his adult life.

Duh.

[Hawaiian]

7 hours ago, Etaoin Shrdlu said:

Impeachment is the adoption of an article or articles of impeachment by the House of Representatives that are then forwarded to the Senate for trial. The fact that the Senate acquitted Trump does not negate the fact that the House of Representatives impeached him. 

 

The House of Representatives impeached Trump twice.

 

The Senate acquitted him twice.

 

 

 

 

You and I know the impeachment process, but seems as there is one poster in particular who doesn't.

[jerrymahoney]

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

Of course he will fight it. He fights everything.

He's been dodging legal consequences of his actions all his adult life.

Duh.

I wouldn't have bothered with even with my first post on this were it not that the generally left-leaning PhD lawyer and election law  specialist Dr. Rick Hasen had not given his 'opinion' that Trump has a good chance to stall this.

[Jingthing]

4 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

I wouldn't have bothered with even with my first post on this were it not that the generally left-leaning PhD lawyer and election law  specialist Dr. Rick Hasen had not given his 'opinion' that Trump has a good chance to stall this.

I don't believe he will win that. The decision from the judge is incredibly generous and would not be offered to any other U.S. citizen ever. It's rational to be so generous in this case as the American people in their reckless idiocy elected him anyway knowing of all his crimes including intentionally inciting January 6, the most severe and historically significant.  No consequence at all EXCEPT the finalization of the conviction status. He's never satisfied. He's still fighting the results of the 2020 election. That is insane. 

[jerrymahoney]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

I don't believe he will win that.

Good. Your opinion. Maybe more likely the case. This is the opinion of Dr. Hasen from 2 days ago as linked above:

 

 If Trump seeks an emergency stay blocking the sentencing—and it will not surprise us if he goes all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary—we expect he will succeed.

[Jingthing]

Just now, jerrymahoney said:

Good. Your opinion. Maybe more likely the case. This is the opinion of Dr. Hasen from 2 days ago as linked above:

 

 If Trump seeks an emergency stay blocking the sentencing—and it will not surprise us if he goes all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court if necessary—we expect he will succeed.

The supreme court doesn't need to even hear the case. Justice Roberts has recently expressed pushback that politicians are ignoring the court. For example Trump saying he doesn't want to honor the Tik Tok decision. 

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Hawaiian said:

Why don't you list some of your expectations on domestic issues, such as illegal immigration and whatever else you think is important for the majority of the country?

It would be foolish to offer detailed predictions. However, overall it's completely obvious that his priority is helping billionaires over everyone else including his core base who will likely get the opposite of what they voted for in things like food prices.

As far as deportations he will be obligated to make a big fascist show of doing something cruel and dramatic and may even include civil war inciting actions such as sending national guards to cross state lines under protest of the invaded state's governors, but overall the billionaire class does NOT want actual mass deportations as promised. Bad for business. Also the COST of what he has promised is not even close to being realistic. 

[jerrymahoney]

I gave no opinion -- I just quoted one of the top election law specialists in the country who has been on this case as it was ultimately an election law case:

Were the payments to Ms. Daniels a personal or election expense.

[Jingthing]

12 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

I gave no opinion -- I just quoted one of the top election law specialists in the country who has been on this case as it was ultimately an election law case:

Were the payments to Ms. Daniels a personal or election expense.

We'll know soon enough if Mr. Trump's efforts to evade justice succeed once again. 

[jerrymahoney]

True. Short schedule on this.

[Hawaiian]

24 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

It would be foolish to offer detailed predictions. However, overall it's completely obvious that his priority is helping billionaires over everyone else including his core base who will likely get the opposite of what they voted for in things like food prices.

As far as deportations he will be obligated to make a big fascist show of doing something cruel and dramatic and may even include civil war inciting actions such as sending national guards to cross state lines under protest of the invaded state's governors, but overall the billionaire class does NOT want actual mass deportations as promised. Bad for business. Also the COST of what he has promised is not even close to being realistic. 

My bad. Should have said desires and not expectations.  I did not expect you to make any detailed predictions.  However, you did give a hint of what you think is coming down the road.  IMO, I think Trump will do both good and bad for the country with the hope the bad not causing too much damage.  

And I wouldn't give too much credence that Musk will be the de facto president.  They will soon tire of each other.  Trump has too big of an ego to share the spotlight with him.

[jas007]

10 hours ago, Dan O said:

Nope he was referring to you and you continue to deflect answering the questions posted based on your claims 

 You fit the bill.  

 

As for my "claims"? I'm sorry, but if you can't observe, reason, and fully comprehend the Deep State/Globalist playbook, I'm afraid I  can't help you. People who know and understand see it for what it is.  Not based on any one factor, but on the totality of it all, so to speak.  You have to think for yourself, because you'll never hear the story from any of the legacy media outlets.  That's all heavily censored propaganda. 

 

Were you not paying attention during the COVID scam? Did you not see the media manipulation? The manipulation of the narrative?  And it's still ongoing.  They're trying to gear up for Round II.  This time it's the Bird Flu.  Or will it be space aliens?  Or another "terrorist" bombing?  

 

Why do you think Elon Musk bought Twitter?  Why do you think some politicians want to see him in jail, including politicians outside the USA? Remember, the truth is is a threat to the Deep State agenda. 

[TedG]

@Jingthing I’m here to remind you that Trump won. 

[Etaoin Shrdlu]

2 hours ago, Hawaiian said:

You and I know the impeachment process, but seems as there is one poster in particular who doesn't.

 

There's also the fact that it takes 67 senators to vote to remove the President from office. I think this is an almost unattainable result given the highly partisan nature of politics today and the evenly-split Senate. The result was a foregone conclusion.  Political theater, but then what isn't in Washington?

[b17]

On 1/4/2025 at 12:55 PM, Jingthing said:

Spoken like a real maga cult member.

 

[b17]

On 1/4/2025 at 12:44 PM, jas007 said:

And everyone knows it's just a nonsense political move that doesn't mean much. 

What "benefits" are you MAGA cult members anticipating?  As history instructs, the only people who benefit under authoritarian or fascist regimes are the most wealthy, and yet you persevere in insisting that your MAGA boy will bring shiny and wonderful things to the middle class. Clearly, you are delusional, and about to receive the most shocking lesson of your own life. 

[jas007]

11 minutes ago, b17 said:

What "benefits" are you MAGA cult members anticipating?  As history instructs, the only people who benefit under authoritarian or fascist regimes are the most wealthy, and yet you persevere in insisting that your MAGA boy will bring shiny and wonderful things to the middle class. Clearly, you are delusional, and about to receive the most shocking lesson of your own life. 

When did I ever say I'm a MAGA cult member?  If the Democrats started acting like real Democrats, I'd be a Democrat again.  But they've morphed into something else, and it's ugly.  They're trying to establish an authoritarian regime. They nominated Harris without the vote of a single voter. No primary, no nothing.  It was a take it or leave it choice presented to the voters by the Deep State. Biden won the primary, as you should recall, and yet he was pushed aside.  Democracy?  LOL The only sane choice in the election was Trump, whether you like him or not.

 

They've also been censoring the media and have been using it as a propaganda machine for years, and it's becoming ridiculous.  Propaganda. A typical tool of totalitarian regimes through history. If you can't see that, I can't see it for you.  Ddid you understand the phrase "The whole is greater than the sum of the parts"?  Take a step back and appreciate the big picture.  Maybe it'll come into focus for you some day. 

 

As for a "shocking" lesson?  I'm in a nice condo on a tropical beach on the other side of Planet Earth from America.  Nothing that will happen there anytime soon can affect me much. Perhaps the entire world financial system will collapse?  Perhaps we'll see a global thermonuclear war?  A real space alien invasion?  A real pandemic with billions of deaths worldwide? 

 

Absent those events, I think I'll be just fine.  I have more money that I know what to do with every month, my investments are doing great, and my health is fine.  

 

Trump and the DOGE people may not succeed in accomplishing much, given the broken political system, but I guess it's worth a try.  The alternative is not good. 

[stevenl]

7 minutes ago, jas007 said:

When did I ever say I'm a MAGA cult member?  If the Democrats started acting like real Democrats, I'd be a Democrat again.  But they've morphed into something else, and it's ugly.  They're trying to establish an authoritarian regime. They nominated Harris without the vote of a single voter. No primary, no nothing.  It was a take it or leave it choice presented to the voters by the Deep State. Biden won the primary, as you should recall, and yet he was pushed aside.  Democracy?  LOL The only sane choice in the election was Trump, whether you like him or not.

 

They've also been censoring the media and have been using it as a propaganda machine for years, and it's becoming ridiculous.  Propaganda. A typical tool of totalitarian regimes through history. If you can't see that, I can't see it for you.  Ddid you understand the phrase "The whole is greater than the sum of the parts"?  Take a step back and appreciate the big picture.  Maybe it'll come into focus for you some day. 

 

As for a "shocking" lesson?  I'm in a nice condo on a tropical beach on the other side of Planet Earth from America.  Nothing that will happen there anytime soon can affect me much. Perhaps the entire world financial system will collapse?  Perhaps we'll see a global thermonuclear war?  A real space alien invasion?  A real pandemic with billions of deaths worldwide? 

 

Absent those events, I think I'll be just fine.  I have more money that I know what to do with every month, my investments are doing great, and my health is fine.  

 

Trump and the DOGE people may not succeed in accomplishing much, given the broken political system, but I guess it's worth a try.  The alternative is not good. 

Hmm, while denying you're maga you come up with many maga talking points.

[jas007]

4 minutes ago, stevenl said:

Hmm, while denying you're maga you come up with many maga talking points.

I don't know what MAGA "talking points" you're referring to, but I think most of what I write makes sense.  

 

For what it's worth, I didn't even vote in the last election.  I'm 73 years old and can count on four fingers the number of times in my life that I've been inside a voting booth.  I see it as a waste of time, for the most part.  

[Hawaiian]

1 hour ago, b17 said:

What "benefits" are you MAGA cult members anticipating?  As history instructs, the only people who benefit under authoritarian or fascist regimes are the most wealthy, and yet you persevere in insisting that your MAGA boy will bring shiny and wonderful things to the middle class. Clearly, you are delusional, and about to receive the most shocking lesson of your own life. 

What is your definition of a Maga cult member?

[Dan O]

2 hours ago, jas007 said:

 You fit the bill.  

 

As for my "claims"? I'm sorry, but if you can't observe, reason, and fully comprehend the Deep State/Globalist playbook, I'm afraid I  can't help you. People who know and understand see it for what it is.  Not based on any one factor, but on the totality of it all, so to speak.  You have to think for yourself, because you'll never hear the story from any of the legacy media outlets.  That's all heavily censored propaganda. 

 

Were you not paying attention during the COVID scam? Did you not see the media manipulation? The manipulation of the narrative?  And it's still ongoing.  They're trying to gear up for Round II.  This time it's the Bird Flu.  Or will it be space aliens?  Or another "terrorist" bombing?  

 

Why do you think Elon Musk bought Twitter?  Why do you think some politicians want to see him in jail, including politicians outside the USA? Remember, the truth is is a threat to the Deep State agenda. 

Post some factual links and not your twisted opinions.  You have made multiple claims without any proof to back it up despite repeated requests. You spouting conspiracy bs and nothing more. 

[b17]

1 hour ago, jas007 said:

When did I ever say I'm a MAGA cult member?  If the Democrats started acting like real Democrats, I'd be a Democrat again.  But they've morphed into something else, and it's ugly.  They're trying to establish an authoritarian regime. They nominated Harris without the vote of a single voter. No primary, no nothing.  It was a take it or leave it choice presented to the voters by the Deep State. Biden won the primary, as you should recall, and yet he was pushed aside.  Democracy?  LOL The only sane choice in the election was Trump, whether you like him or not.

 

They've also been censoring the media and have been using it as a propaganda machine for years, and it's becoming ridiculous.  Propaganda. A typical tool of totalitarian regimes through history. If you can't see that, I can't see it for you.  Ddid you understand the phrase "The whole is greater than the sum of the parts"?  Take a step back and appreciate the big picture.  Maybe it'll come into focus for you some day. 

 

As for a "shocking" lesson?  I'm in a nice condo on a tropical beach on the other side of Planet Earth from America.  Nothing that will happen there anytime soon can affect me much. Perhaps the entire world financial system will collapse?  Perhaps we'll see a global thermonuclear war?  A real space alien invasion?  A real pandemic with billions of deaths worldwide? 

 

Absent those events, I think I'll be just fine.  I have more money that I know what to do with every month, my investments are doing great, and my health is fine.  

 

Trump and the DOGE people may not succeed in accomplishing much, given the broken political system, but I guess it's worth a try.  The alternative is not good. 

Very happy for you. Enjoy your perfect existence, and good luck. 

[TedG]

2 hours ago, b17 said:

What "benefits" are you MAGA cult members anticipating?  As history instructs, the only people who benefit under authoritarian or fascist regimes are the most wealthy, and yet you persevere in insisting that your MAGA boy will bring shiny and wonderful things to the middle class. Clearly, you are delusional, and about to receive the most shocking lesson of your own life. 

LOL. You people are over the top.

[TedG]

41 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

What is your definition of a Maga cult member?

It’s anyone who disagrees with a leftie.