"Conspiracies Too Awful to Imagine?" by Victor Davis Hanson

[Yagoda]

Anybody want to argue that Professor Hanson is not qualified to make his assertions?

 

Anyone want to argue that he is the type to just write polemics without facts and research?

 

Anyone want to argue against any facts he sets forth?

 

https://amgreatness.com/2025/01/06/conspiracies-too-awful-to-imagine/

 

Thank god the Democrat qua Socialist attack on our great nation will be thwarted soon.

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I went there and I got his warning:

https://amgreatness.com/2025/01/06/conspiracies-too-awful-to-imagine/

Is Norton in on the conspiracy to undermine Trump?

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I started to read it, but as usual for right wingers, he misstated the Russian collusion issue.

Then he went on to assert  the innocence of Mike Flynn

That was enough.

[Yagoda]

33 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I started to read it, but as usual for right wingers, he misstated the Russian collusion issue.

Then he went on to assert  the innocence of Mike Flynn

That was enough.

What did he mistate.?

 

Was Mike Flyn pardoned?

[Walker88]

......and the "Men in Black" trilogy is actually a documentary. Not sure if Ghostbusters is the same, but could be. All those are proof that those Socialists say "conspiracy theory", as if that's a pejorative term, we have to scream FACT and offer up experts like Victor David Hanson.

 

One has to be truly "awake" and done his research to get to the bottom of all of these Marxist/Stalinist/Socialist conspiracies.

 

Personally, I think we are all incredibly lucky that there are people out there willing and able to ignore reality, engage in fantasy and delusion, embrace "alternative facts"  (Kellyanne Conway), know that "truth isn't truth" (Rudy Giuliani) and get to the bottom of what these dastardly libs would do to stop the Second Coming from making 'Merica great again. ("Great" defined as a Recession and 6.8% unemployment.)

 

What kind of world would it be if a man COULDN'T try to subvert elections, cooperate with hostile nations (Campaign Manager Paul Manafort and Konstantin Kilimnik), engage in attempt to defraud the voter (Georgia, on tape), steal classified documents, and foment an insurrection to stop the certification of a free and fair election. And what's so wrong about sexual assault? Charity fraud? Bank and insurance fraud?

 

Don't nip these evil Socialists in the bud and soon they'll be telling us injecting disinfectant can't cure Covid-19. It's bad enough 45 was cheated out of a Nobel Peace Prize, but he should also have gotten the Nobel in Chemistry, too, for his novel solution to the pandemic.

 

Come on, all you folks "awake" and full of goal-seeking confirmation bias! Plant you flag squarely a std dev left of the mean on the IQ Bell Curve and make yourself known.

 

 

[Gobbler]

52 minutes ago, placeholder said:

I started to read it, but as usual for right wingers, he misstated the Russian collusion issue.

Then he went on to assert  the innocence of Mike Flynn

That was enough.

Wallow in it. 

[riclag]

We were so close to losing the Republic, screw the bureaucracy democracy!

 

My go to American Historian on X and other platforms.

Its a shame wikipedia doesn’t have any 

negative comments to share about him!

 

He’s a national treasure, similar to the late great Rush Linbaugh !

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Davis_Hanson

 

 

[jas007]

16 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

......and the "Men in Black" trilogy is actually a documentary. Not sure if Ghostbusters is the same, but could be. All those are proof that those Socialists say "conspiracy theory", as if that's a pejorative term, we have to scream FACT and offer up experts like Victor David Hanson.

 

One has to be truly "awake" and done his research to get to the bottom of all of these Marxist/Stalinist/Socialist conspiracies.

 

Personally, I think we are all incredibly lucky that there are people out there willing and able to ignore reality, engage in fantasy and delusion, embrace "alternative facts"  (Kellyanne Conway), know that "truth isn't truth" (Rudy Giuliani) and get to the bottom of what these dastardly libs would do to stop the Second Coming from making 'Merica great again. ("Great" defined as a Recession and 6.8% unemployment.)

 

What kind of world would it be if a man COULDN'T try to subvert elections, cooperate with hostile nations (Campaign Manager Paul Manafort and Konstantin Kilimnik), engage in attempt to defraud the voter (Georgia, on tape), steal classified documents, and foment an insurrection to stop the certification of a free and fair election. And what's so wrong about sexual assault? Charity fraud? Bank and insurance fraud?

 

Don't nip these evil Socialists in the bud and soon they'll be telling us injecting disinfectant can't cure Covid-19. It's bad enough 45 was cheated out of a Nobel Peace Prize, but he should also have gotten the Nobel in Chemistry, too, for his novel solution to the pandemic.

 

Come on, all you folks "awake" and full of goal-seeking confirmation bias! Plant you flag squarely a std dev left of the mean on the IQ Bell Curve and make yourself known.

 

 

Some of us "conspiracy theorists" can plant our flag about 3,3 standard deviations to the right of the mean.  

[SunnyinBangrak]

16 minutes ago, Walker88 said:

......and the "Men in Black" trilogy is actually a documentary. Not sure if Ghostbusters is the same, but could be. All those are proof that those Socialists say "conspiracy theory", as if that's a pejorative term, we have to scream FACT and offer up experts like Victor David Hanson.

 

One has to be truly "awake" and done his research to get to the bottom of all of these Marxist/Stalinist/Socialist conspiracies.

 

Personally, I think we are all incredibly lucky that there are people out there willing and able to ignore reality, engage in fantasy and delusion, embrace "alternative facts"  (Kellyanne Conway), know that "truth isn't truth" (Rudy Giuliani) and get to the bottom of what these dastardly libs would do to stop the Second Coming from making 'Merica great again. ("Great" defined as a Recession and 6.8% unemployment.)

 

What kind of world would it be if a man COULDN'T try to subvert elections, cooperate with hostile nations (Campaign Manager Paul Manafort and Konstantin Kilimnik), engage in attempt to defraud the voter (Georgia, on tape), steal classified documents, and foment an insurrection to stop the certification of a free and fair election. And what's so wrong about sexual assault? Charity fraud? Bank and insurance fraud?

 

Don't nip these evil Socialists in the bud and soon they'll be telling us injecting disinfectant can't cure Covid-19. It's bad enough 45 was cheated out of a Nobel Peace Prize, but he should also have gotten the Nobel in Chemistry, too, for his novel solution to the pandemic.

 

Come on, all you folks "awake" and full of goal-seeking confirmation bias! Plant you flag squarely a std dev left of the mean on the IQ Bell Curve and make yourself known.

 

 

Are you writing this as a high security intelligence agent? Or as a hedge fund manager that famously and falsely claimed Trump pre-covid caused an economic crash worse than the Great Drpression? Or just as a common or garden political pundit like the rest of us?😅

[richard_smith237]

I think the 'something in the water' conspiracy is a good one... 

 

.... I've been reading the Flat Earth, and the 30 Questions thread - and its clear to me a few people people have unwittingly consumed substances which have made them rather paranoid and stupid... 

 

In fact, I'm convinced of the 'something in the water theory' after watching the recent documentary... 'Fly me to the Moon'  which exposes how a black-cat on the fake moon-landing set highlights that the moon-landings images were in fact genuine, has me convinced of the 'something in the water theory' !!!   

[brewsterbudgen]

Hanson belongs with the late (unlamented) Rush Limbaugh and, the still very much with us, Mark Levin. Right-wing rabble rousers.  Good for a laugh, but not to be taken too seriously, much like their equivalents on the Left like (gorgeous) George Galloway and Noam Chomsky.

[illisdean]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Mark Levin. Right-wing rabble rousers.

And throw in the "Life, Liberty & Levin is Most-Watched Show in Total Viewers"   yup, Mark Levins show is No. 1 and he also sports no less than 10 NY Times best sellers. He's good at what he does and thats why he's Numero Uno. VDH is totally switched on and up to speed with whats what in the woke DEI democrat universe and does a good job cutting to the issues factually and truthfully that liberals hate so dearly.

 

 

Mark Levin is No.1 in cable news ratings

[riclag]

26 minutes ago, illisdean said:

And throw in the "Life, Liberty & Levin is Most-Watched Show in Total Viewers"   yup, Mark Levins show is No. 1 and he also sports no less than 10 NY Times best sellers. He's good at what he does and thats why he's Numero Uno. VDH is totally switched on and up to speed with whats what in the woke DEI democrat universe and does a good job cutting to the issues factually and truthfully that liberals hate so dearly.

 

 

Mark Levin is No.1 in cable news ratings

Hanson is a expert historian!

Levin is a constitutional legal expert.

Rush Linbaugh had skills on loan from god! All three are considered  anti socialist Americans. 

 

Each one has more political sway in their voices on the American extreme left than any socialist or Brit politician on planet earth !

 

You got to wonder why these international posters , comment tosh half the time! Possibly to get a rise out of the winning side ?

[impulse]

Speaking of VDH, where is he wrong here?

 

The senior fellow additionally cited the number of charges brought against attendees of the Jan. 6 attack compared to those not charged during the 2020 Black Lives Matter (BLM) riots.  

 

They didn’t tell us how many people were charged. It ended up [with] 1,500 felony charges. It was [an] almost 75% conviction rate. That never happens. Compare that with the 14,000 people that were arrested in 2020. Almost 90% of them were never charged or indicted. They were released. So there was a lot of things that they want to suppress.”  In 2020, BLM was linked to nine in 10 riots. The country experienced 637 riots between May 26, 2020, and September 12, 2020

 

“A lot of the things they said, Laura, were abject lies,” Hanson said. “There were not four officers killed. There were not 10 people killed. There was only one violent death, we think, and that was a Trump supporter, Ashli Babbitt

 

Victor Davis Hanson Explains Why He Believes FBI Is ‘Afraid’ Of Trump’s Return | The Daily Caller

 

Trump and his new team can't get in fast enough.

 

[jas007]

1 hour ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Hanson belongs with the late (unlamented) Rush Limbaugh and, the still very much with us, Mark Levin. Right-wing rabble rousers.  Good for a laugh, but not to be taken too seriously, much like their equivalents on the Left like (gorgeous) George Galloway and Noam Chomsky.

All those people are worth listening to.  That's how you get a good idea of what's going on in the world.  Listen to everybody.  Anyway, some of what people say is nonsense. That's OK.  You still gain some perspective from the whole and some understanding from the exchange of ideas.  If you immediately tune out an entire group of people, you're only fooling yourself.  That's why the mainstream media is so effective at propaganda.  They've done a good job of demonizing the opposition.  The opposition is "evil." The opposition is "dirty" The opposition will spread a "disease."  We. saw that at work during COVID.  The most massive and effective propaganda campaign the world has ever seen.  

 

Wasn't it the CIA that made up the term "conspiracy theory"?  That was for good reason.  A very effective tactic. It helps brand the opposition as just some bunch of nuts with a mental disorder not worth the time of day.  In reality, they don't want people to listen to them.  That would be a danger to their agenda..  So, people turn on mainstream news and they think they're getting "the truth."  as that's all they ever hear.The official narrative.  And then the "fact checkers" show up and we know how that works. 

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2 hours ago, riclag said:

We were so close to losing the Republic, screw the bureaucracy democracy!

 

My go to American Historian on X and other platforms.

Its a shame wikipedia doesn’t have any 

negative comments to share about him!

 

He’s a national treasure, similar to the late great Rush Linbaugh !

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Davis_Hanson

 

 

A hardcore promoter of the Iraq war.

[placeholder]

19 minutes ago, jas007 said:

All those people are worth listening to.  That's how you get a good idea of what's going on in the world.  Listen to everybody.  Anyway, some of what people say is nonsense. That's OK.  You still gain some perspective from the whole and some understanding from the exchange of ideas.  If you immediately tune out an entire group of people, you're only fooling yourself.  That's why the mainstream media is so effective at propaganda.  They've done a good job of demonizing the opposition.  The opposition is "evil." The opposition is "dirty" The opposition will spread a "disease."  We. saw that at work during COVID.  The most massive and effective propaganda campaign the world has ever seen.  

 

Wasn't it the CIA that made up the term "conspiracy theory"?  That was for good reason.  A very effective tactic. It helps brand the opposition as just some bunch of nuts with a mental disorder not worth the time of day.  In reality, they don't want people to listen to them.  That would be a danger to their agenda..  So, people turn on mainstream news and they think they're getting "the truth."  as that's all they ever hear.The official narrative.  And then the "fact checkers" show up and we know how that works. 

I feel so ashamed of the way I've treated the polite, respectful, and low key points raised by right wingers. I kind of feel like I've been stomping on hobbits.

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3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

What did he mistate.?

 

Was Mike Flyn pardoned?

What exactly does being pardoned have to do with the question of whether or not Mike Flynn was innocent of the charges he was convicted for?

[mfd101]

Hanson has published assorted 3rd-rate history books.

 

Their common theme is: "Our brave lads against the funny natives. No wonder we always win. We're free, democratic and Christian, and we always have been, right back to the Greeks."

[Yagoda]

3 hours ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Are you writing this as a high security intelligence agent? Or as a hedge fund manager that famously and falsely claimed Trump pre-covid caused an economic crash worse than the Great Drpression? Or just as a common or garden political pundit like the rest of us?😅

Or as A committed National Socialist. 88

[Yagoda]

11 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Hanson has published assorted 3rd-rate history books.

 

Their common theme is: "Our brave lads against the funny natives. No wonder we always win. We're free, democratic and Christian, and we always have been, right back to the Greeks."

How many have you written?

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

A hardcore promoter of the Iraq war.

Like Hillary and Joe Biden

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4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Like Hillary and Joe Biden

Before the war and in it's early days. But, like Liz Cheney, Davis has never retracted his enthusiastic endorsement of it or acknowledged it was a mistake.

[jerrymahoney]

19 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Anybody want to argue that Professor Hanson is not qualified to make his assertions?

Conspiracies? Maybe he meant the RAISIN conspiracy.

 

Hanson is from Selma, CA where his family has owned a farm/ranch since the late 1800's.

 

With 90 percent of U.S. raisins produced within eight miles of Selma, the city adopted the slogan “Raisin Capital of the World” in 1963. *

 

The conspiracy involves the agricultural marketing order whereby grape/raisin farmers are required to keep a bumper raisin crop off the market to stabilize prices. It went all the way to the Supreme Court.  The Supreme Court ruled in 2015 that a government program dating to the Great Depression meant to increase in raisin prices by keeping some of them off the market amounted to an unconstitutional taking of private property by the government.

 

HORNE ET AL. v. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-supreme-court/14-275.html

 

* https://sjvcogs.org/valleywide_activities/downtown-selma

[thaibeachlovers]

8 hours ago, impulse said:

Trump and his new team can't get in fast enough.

You got it right with that.

I'll bet there is a lot of paper shredding and computer deletions going on at the FBI and Justice departments right now.

[Yagoda]

41 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

Conspiracies? Maybe he meant the RAISIN conspiracy.

 

Hanson is from Selma, CA where his family has owned a farm/ranch since the late 1800's.

 

With 90 percent of U.S. raisins produced within eight miles of Selma, the city adopted the slogan “Raisin Capital of the World” in 1963. *

 

The conspiracy involves the agricultural marketing order whereby grape/raisin farmers are required to keep a bumper raisin crop off the market to stabilize prices. It went all the way to the Supreme Court.  The Supreme Court ruled in 2015 that a government program dating to the Great Depression meant to increase in raisin prices by keeping some of them off the market amounted to an unconstitutional taking of private property by the government.

 

HORNE ET AL. v. DEPARTMENT OF AGRICULTURE

https://caselaw.findlaw.com/court/us-supreme-court/14-275.html

 

* https://sjvcogs.org/valleywide_activities/downtown-selma

So the fact that he is a farmer and took advantage of a government program makes his political commentary and his academic scholarship worthless right? Got it

[Yagoda]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Before the war and in it's early days. But, like Liz Cheney, Davis has never retracted his enthusiastic endorsement of it or acknowledged it was a mistake.

He would be a perfect Democrat then. That's Kamala Harris's position too she embraced Liz Cheney and hell, Joe Biden gave her a medal.

 

Got anything more to say about Professor Hansons and Analysis LOL?

[jerrymahoney]

1 hour ago, Yagoda said:

So the fact that he is a farmer and took advantage of a government program makes his political commentary and his academic scholarship worthless right? Got it

You got your conspiracies -- I got mine. Before I never heard of Hanson -- but I knew about Selma.

[brewsterbudgen]

11 hours ago, jas007 said:

All those people are worth listening to.  That's how you get a good idea of what's going on in the world.  Listen to everybody.  Anyway, some of what people say is nonsense. That's OK.  You still gain some perspective from the whole and some understanding from the exchange of ideas.  If you immediately tune out an entire group of people, you're only fooling yourself.  That's why the mainstream media is so effective at propaganda.  They've done a good job of demonizing the opposition.  The opposition is "evil." The opposition is "dirty" The opposition will spread a "disease."  We. saw that at work during COVID.  The most massive and effective propaganda campaign the world has ever seen.  

 

Wasn't it the CIA that made up the term "conspiracy theory"?  That was for good reason.  A very effective tactic. It helps brand the opposition as just some bunch of nuts with a mental disorder not worth the time of day.  In reality, they don't want people to listen to them.  That would be a danger to their agenda..  So, people turn on mainstream news and they think they're getting "the truth."  as that's all they ever hear.The official narrative.  And then the "fact checkers" show up and we know how that works. 

Absolutely agree.  Levin's radio show is essential listening for liberals.

[jas007]

11 hours ago, placeholder said:

I feel so ashamed of the way I've treated the polite, respectful, and low key points raised by right wingers. I kind of feel like I've been stomping on hobbits.

Would it make you feel better to read convoluted, obfuscatory nonsense and gibberish?  

 

If I write in what seems to be an overly simplistic fashion, it's done for a reason.  KISS. Keep it simple, stupid. From my days of legal writing.  Produce a bunch of dense, convoluted nonsense designed to confuse or mislead, and one of two things will happen:  your audience will be immediately turned off and you'll fail to convince anyone of anything, or, they won't read it at all and they'll draw their own conclusions.  So, I try to keep it simple. Clear, concise, and capable of only one interpretation.  Easy to read and it works well.