Palisades Fire in LA has zero containment

[John Drake]

6 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Too many fires in separate locations to not think this is deliberate. Of course poor fuel load management and preparation have played a large role in the spread of the fires.

 

 

If deliberate, who is setting them? Any news or ideas?

[John Drake]

100 percent of "disaster response?" Wonder how that breaks down.  And for the next 6 months? Can Biden direct the federal response to continue as he wants after he is out of office?

 

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President Biden announced Thursday that for the next six months, the federal government will pay for 100% of the disaster response costs from the wildfires destroying neighborhoods across the greater Los Angeles area.  https://www.cbsnews.com/news/california-wildfires-biden-los-angeles/

 

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, John Drake said:

 

If deliberate, who is setting them? Any news or ideas?

This is under investigation. Common sense, however, must bring this possibility into question. There aren't that many ways a fire can start let alone several different fires on the same or next day and separated by distance. Accidental: Burn off/back burn gone wrong, downed power line, discarded yet still lit cig, broken glass, camp fire and welding/grinding sparks. Natural: Lightning. Deliberate: Self explanatory. Being that the fires have been separate spotting's not possible (the 2^nd fire was up wind of the 1^st) and there is no lightning or burn offs then the options become very limited. I'm an Aussie and am well aware of bushfires/wildfires (US). How these fires started is IMO highly suspect and deliberate must be high on the list.

[riclag]

7 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

They use buckets but. Not much else. The salt water would rot the equipment.

I had a second home on the island 

of Aruba ! They used a desalinization process of ocean water ,that sounds like it would solve that problem.

[John Drake]

4 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

This is under investigation. Common sense, however, must bring this possibility into question. There aren't that many ways a fire can start let alone several different fires on the same or next day and separated by distance. Accidental: Burn off/back burn gone wrong, downed power line, discarded yet still lit cig, broken glass, camp fire and welding/grinding sparks. Natural: Lightning. Deliberate: Self explanatory. Being that the fires have been separate spotting's not possible (the 2^nd fire was up wind of the 1^st) and there is no lightning or burn offs then the options become very limited. I'm an Aussie and am well aware of bushfires/wildfires (US). How these fires started is IMO highly suspect and deliberate must be high on the list.

 

I'm inclined to agree with your suspicions, and I'm seeing all sorts of claims on X about foreign gangs setting fires and then looting. I just want some agency that is credible to lay out the scenario.

[thaibeachlovers]

9 hours ago, Cryingdick said:

 

The majority of the Great Lakes surface area are in the USA we don't have to ask Canada. Probably time to rename Lake Ontario to Lake America to remind some folks what's up.

Tad far to export water from the Great Lakes to California, and a problem with a few hills in the way.

You do know this is a thread about California, I hope.

[thaibeachlovers]

17 minutes ago, John Drake said:

100 percent of "disaster response?" Wonder how that breaks down.  And for the next 6 months? Can Biden direct the federal response to continue as he wants after he is out of office?

 

 

Biden being generous with other people's money. The poor people of Louisiana could have done with Biden being in charge when they had a bit of a problem.

 

BTW, if it is found that the government of California is culpable in the lack of preparation, will they still get other people's money?

[John Drake]

23 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

BTW, if it is found that the government of California is culpable in the lack of preparation, will they still get other people's money?

 

Good question. How much prepositioning was in place? I don't want to read cut and paste jobs from gavinnewsomdotcom trying to explain away ill preparedness. However bad this fire was going to be, preparation could have mitigated some things. If nowhere else, at least around the edges.  The below National Weather Service alert went out a day before the fires began.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

Just now, John Drake said:

 

Good question. How much prepositioning was in place? I don't want to read cut and paste jobs from gavinnewsomdotcom trying to explain away ill preparedness. However bad this fire was going to be, preparation could have mitigated some things. If nowhere else, at least around the edges.  The below National Weather Service alert went out a day before the fires began.

 

I read somewhere that the undergrowth was not permitted to be cleared, or wasn't cleared. If that is true, then whomever issued those regulations might as well have used a flame thrower to burn all the houses. IMO.

[John Drake]

The National Weather Service was on top of this situation from the beginning. They began issuing alerts a week before the fire, and their alerts continued to escalate until the fire broke out. How did the state and the city respond to these alerts?

 

 

[thaibeachlovers]

37 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

I'm inclined to agree with your suspicions, and I'm seeing all sorts of claims on X about foreign gangs setting fires and then looting. I just want some agency that is credible to lay out the scenario.

Reports of many looters being arrested.

[jerrymahoney]

This is the one of personal interest to me -- looking better:

Sunset fire 100% contained, evacuation orders lifted in Hollywood

Jan. 9, 2025 Updated 10:46 PM PT

Los Angeles firefighters reached 100% containment on the Sunset fire Thursday, which had triggered mandatory evacuation orders and massive traffic jams in Hollywood and the Hollywood Hills late Wednesday.

“It’s a miracle that no homes burned here,” one firefighter told The Times on Wednesday evening. Hours earlier, the flames had approached the mansions that line North Curson Avenue. By 10:30 p.m., flames were barely visible on the distant hillside.

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-09/firefighters-make-big-gains-battling-sunset-fire-which-forced-evacuations-in-hollywood

[jimmybcool]

5 hours ago, dinsdale said:

This is under investigation. Common sense, however, must bring this possibility into question. There aren't that many ways a fire can start let alone several different fires on the same or next day and separated by distance. Accidental: Burn off/back burn gone wrong, downed power line, discarded yet still lit cig, broken glass, camp fire and welding/grinding sparks. Natural: Lightning. Deliberate: Self explanatory. Being that the fires have been separate spotting's not possible (the 2^nd fire was up wind of the 1^st) and there is no lightning or burn offs then the options become very limited. I'm an Aussie and am well aware of bushfires/wildfires (US). How these fires started is IMO highly suspect and deliberate must be high on the list.

 

I hate conspiracies and will await investigation.  But I agree the number of fires starting at once is very suspect.  They are looking into the sources.

[mogandave]

9 hours ago, RubenRemus said:

Sure: and the federal income tax slab up to 500K income is 35%. But when you deduct your mortgage interest, college investments, self employment expenses, 401K and IRA investments, etc, the overall tax picture is pretty good. And let's not forget your mega backdoor rollovers, offshore investments, and foreign currency advantages. Other countries exist, so don't give me this argument that Californians pay overly high taxes. 

Californians pay 13% state income tax on top of the federal taxes. 

 

Floridians pays zero.

[mogandave]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Tad far to export water from the Great Lakes to California, and a problem with a few hills in the way.

You do know this is a thread about California, I hope.

The water problem is a storage issue.

 

Population doubled, and no storage added. 

 

Projects planned and funded, but nothing done. 

[TedG]

They need to stop building houses in these fire-prone areas.   Or build more fire-resistant homes.   These houses are burning down due to the embers storms.   

 

https://youtu.be/bWtYtqADmqU?si=YHzNg17IZUMSPmBn

 

 

[jimmybcool]

3 hours ago, TedG said:

They need to stop building houses in these fire-prone areas.   Or build more fire-resistant homes.   These houses are burning down due to the embers storms.   

 

https://youtu.be/bWtYtqADmqU?si=YHzNg17IZUMSPmBn

 

 

There are other proactive measures they could take such as controlled burns.  Doing them when there is no strong winds is easy for a quality fire department and removes a lot of the fuel for these fires.  This was easily foreseen.  Here in Arizona our fire departments are busy year round preventing firestorms before they start.

[thaibeachlovers]

6 hours ago, mogandave said:

 

 

Population doubled, and no storage added. 

 

Projects planned and funded, but nothing done. 

Situation normal then. Unless it's something woke like cycle paths, nothing much happens to improve our lives.

[jerrymahoney]

Just heard from my friend of 50+ years in Laurel Canyon that she is OK -- only one evacuation -- but friends of hers have been wiped out.

[John Drake]

Some celebrities came through without a loss. Others wiped out. Interesting note: I saw many pro-Gaza accounts on X celebrating the fact that actor James Woods lost his house. Turns out his house is okay. There is a celebrity/A-Lister chart in this story:

 

https://nypost.com/2025/01/10/entertainment/james-woods-home-survives-la-fires-after-he-thought-he-lost-it-forever/

 

[illisdean]

On 1/10/2025 at 12:52 AM, Patong2021 said:

The fire hydrants were not dry. They delivered water as intended. Go back and take a basic physics course. You cannot  maintain water pressure if all the hydrants are in use and the size of teh pipes limits the amount of water that can be transported.

LOl...even Gavin Newsom is too stupid to know the Santa Ynez reservoir in the vicinity of Pacific Palisades (which essentially does not exist after being wiped out in the fires) WAS EMPTY and that water is essentially incompressible so the only way to increase water pressure is to add more water,,,,oh but wait....THERE WAS NO WATER-the reservoir was empty, out of service, offline etc.

Go figure Mr "go back and take a basic physics course".

 

 

Empty reservoir / broken hydrants

 

 

 

[mogandave]

5 hours ago, illisdean said:

LOl...even Gavin Newsom is too stupid to know the Santa Ynez reservoir in the vicinity of Pacific Palisades (which essentially does not exist after being wiped out in the fires) WAS EMPTY and that water is essentially incompressible so the only way to increase water pressure is to add more water,,,,oh but wait....THERE WAS NO WATER-the reservoir was empty, out of service, offline etc.

Go figure Mr "go back and take a basic physics course".

 

 

Empty reservoir / broken hydrants

 

 

 

Empty rhetoric, broken promises.

[mogandave]

18 hours ago, jimmybcool said:

There are other proactive measures they could take such as controlled burns.  Doing them when there is no strong winds is easy for a quality fire department and removes a lot of the fuel for these fires.  This was easily foreseen.  Here in Arizona our fire departments are busy year round preventing firestorms before they start.

Apparently, it takes over four years for the California state forestry service to get permits approved for a controlled burn. 

[jas007]

Today I saw a picture online of a totally burned out house in California, and in front of one was a blue shoe in the driveway that survived the blaze, apparently unscathed.  And that got me thinking.  That and the fact that I've seen other posts about strange flashes of light over the fires. Directed energy weapons to deliberately start the fires? 

 

Think back to the fire in Maui.  In the fall of 2023, I believe.  Anyway, remember all the houses with blue roofs that survived the fire?  In perfect shape while the houses all around in every direction were destroyed.  Even Biden knew about the blue roof thing when asked.  I got the feeling he spoke when he should have kept his mouth shut. 

 

Is it more than a coincidence? They never did truly get to the bottom of what happed in Maui back then, and there were more than a few clues pointing to something other than natural causes.  Directed energy weapons being tested out on prime real estate after a weather modification experiment?  The government is capable of both, no doubt.  Lots of pole would like to ge tiheir hands on prime Maui real estate, cheap.

 

Fast forward to the current California fires.  The same kind of freak winds.  Prime real estate.  And I'm sure lots of people will be standing in line to buy it cheap, once the dust settles.  Many were uninsured.  Billions in uninsured losses so far, and the fires are ongoing.  

[mogandave]

In California it’s generally poorly maintained power lines, homeless smoking meth in the brush or arson. 

 

No one will be buying anything cheap in Pacific Palisades.

[spidermike007]

There is alot of politicized ignorance on this thread, from the usual suspects. 

 

Absolutely zero connection with the reservoirs upstate. Just a biased, tired, untruthful political meme.

 

The real story?
Officials now say the storage tanks that hold water for high-elevation areas like the Highlands, and the pumping systems that feed them, could not keep pace with the demand as the fire raced from one neighborhood to another. That was in part because those who designed the system did not account for the stunning speeds at which multiple fires would race through the Los Angeles area this week.

“We are looking at a situation that is just completely not part of any domestic water system design,” said Marty Adams, a former general manager and chief engineer at the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, which is responsible for delivering water to nearly four million residents of Los Angeles.

 

Municipal water systems are designed for firefighters to tap into multiple hydrants at once, allowing them to maintain a steady flow of water for crews who may be trying to protect a large structure or a handful of homes. But these systems can buckle when wildfires, such as those fueled by the dry brush that surrounds Los Angeles’s hillside communities, rage through entire neighborhoods.

[Yellowtail]

On 1/10/2025 at 12:46 PM, John Drake said:

 

If deliberate, who is setting them? Any news or ideas?

White Christion nationalist MAGA cultists. 

[jas007]

35 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

There is alot of politicized ignorance on this thread, from the usual suspects. 

 

Absolutely zero connection with the reservoirs upstate. Just a biased, tired, untruthful political meme.

 

The real story?
Officials now say the storage tanks that hold water for high-elevation areas like the Highlands, and the pumping systems that feed them, could not keep pace with the demand as the fire raced from one neighborhood to another. That was in part because those who designed the system did not account for the stunning speeds at which multiple fires would race through the Los Angeles area this week.

“We are looking at a situation that is just completely not part of any domestic water system design,” said Marty Adams, a former general manager and chief engineer at the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, which is responsible for delivering water to nearly four million residents of Los Angeles.

 

Municipal water systems are designed for firefighters to tap into multiple hydrants at once, allowing them to maintain a steady flow of water for crews who may be trying to protect a large structure or a handful of homes. But these systems can buckle when wildfires, such as those fueled by the dry brush that surrounds Los Angeles’s hillside communities, rage through entire neighborhoods.

Of course, you keep ignoring the fact that the reservoir for the Palisades area was empty and had been empty for months.

 

https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2025-01-10/as-flames-raged-in-palisades-a-key-reservoir-nearby-was-offline

[Hawaiian]

On 1/8/2025 at 7:42 PM, Patong2021 said:

 

More lies and dishonesty from Trump. Maintaining an aquatic ecosystem was also about replenishing the aquifer and  responding to the demands of homeowners and recreational uses. The water was being used to meet the basic needs of citizens. NYPost offered its biased interpretation.

 

You left out the most ignorant part of the article;

Trump has long supported diverting supply from California’s main water hub, the Sacramento-San Joaquin River Delta, to farmers who have sturggled with repeated droughts.

 

The farmers have wasted the water on crops unsuitable for the region. They have been told for decades that the crops need to be changed to  vegetation appropriate for  drought prone regions. The agricultural  corporations  have fought against that and instead want water diverted from millions of residents to support their profit making enterprises.P hey refuse to cover water routes which see large amounts of the water lost to evaporation. The large companies profits benefit large multinationals and not the millions of people who live in California.

So you are claiming that Gavin Newsom has no influence over water conservation.  Funny how he manages to get everything else done, including funding all sorts of benefits for illegal aliens.

[Hawaiian]

47 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

There is alot of politicized ignorance on this thread, from the usual suspects. 

 

Absolutely zero connection with the reservoirs upstate. Just a biased, tired, untruthful political meme.

 

The real story?
Officials now say the storage tanks that hold water for high-elevation areas like the Highlands, and the pumping systems that feed them, could not keep pace with the demand as the fire raced from one neighborhood to another. That was in part because those who designed the system did not account for the stunning speeds at which multiple fires would race through the Los Angeles area this week.

“We are looking at a situation that is just completely not part of any domestic water system design,” said Marty Adams, a former general manager and chief engineer at the Los Angeles Department of Water and Power, which is responsible for delivering water to nearly four million residents of Los Angeles.

 

Municipal water systems are designed for firefighters to tap into multiple hydrants at once, allowing them to maintain a steady flow of water for crews who may be trying to protect a large structure or a handful of homes. But these systems can buckle when wildfires, such as those fueled by the dry brush that surrounds Los Angeles’s hillside communities, rage through entire neighborhoods.

If you don't have an excuse, find one.  If you can't find one, invent one.