2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Your assumption is very much incorrect. I'm an Aussie. Bushfires are part of life as it is in CA.

Ash Wednesday, Adelaide, South Australia 1983.

 

Then you should understand that you can only do so much especially with 80 mph winds  trumps back stabbing is uncalled for it’s just a ploy to rile up folks

37 minutes ago, sqwakvfr said:

55 years in So Cal and the Santa Ana's have been part of life every year. The difference this time was the wind speeds were almost 100 mph. In the past I believe the fastest speeds were between 30 and 40. 

And no rain for 6 months. It's so dry the trees are catching fire, not the underbrush.

3 minutes ago, Tug said:

Then you should understand that you can only do so much especially with 80 mph winds  trumps back stabbing is uncalled for it’s just a ploy to rile up folks

Yep I do but I also know the importance of fuel load mitigation. Seems this didn't happen in LA or if it did it obviously wasn't enough. Massive amounts of super dry undergrowth, low humidity and annual Santa Ana winds. A recipe for disaster. As for Trump making this political at this early stage I agree. This should have been left for a while. The wash up from this should surely see heads roll. 

10 hours ago, Social Media said:

Responding to Trump’s accusations, Izzy Gardon, Newsom’s director of communications, told Fox Digital, “We’re focused on protecting lives and battling these blazes—not playing politics.” Gardon refuted Trump’s claims, stating, “There is no such document as the water restoration declaration—that is pure fiction. The Governor is focused on protecting people, not playing politics, and making sure firefighters have all the resources they need.”

Preventing fires is far better than responding after they start. Seems Trump may have a point. I expect he will have a federal inquiry to see if it is true.

2 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Yep I do but I also know the importance of fuel load mitigation. Seems this didn't happen in LA or if it did it obviously wasn't enough. Massive amounts of super dry undergrowth, low humidity and annual Santa Ana winds. A recipe for disaster. As for Trump making this political at this early stage I agree. This should have been left for a while. The wash up from this should surely see heads roll. 

Trump wouldn't be Trump if he didn't take the opportunity to say "I told you so". He's not a polished liar politician.

53 minutes ago, Tug said:

You obviously haven’t been close to a big fire I have 80 mph winds there’s f… all you can do,notice most of this is across an urban landscape good luck getting folks to build concrete igloos……all of that being said trumps nasty comments are a cheap shot and unwelcome in the face of this tragedy.

 

Unwelcome by who?  The lefties that keep voting for these tragic policies?  Sometimes, you have to be junkyard dog mean to snap people out of their bad habits.  We call it tough love.  Pointing out that you'll keep getting what you get if you keep doing what you do.  Voting in incompetent DEI candidates that appoint incompetent DEI department heads who keep hiring incompetent DEI employees.  At gobsmacking salaries, on the taxpayer dime.  The LA Power and Water Department has MECHANICs that got paid $750K in 2023.

 

Let that sink in.  Gub'ment MECHANICs that makes $750K a year...

 

Edit:  And I'm only speculating here, but I'll bet they're still working from home, too.

 

10 hours ago, gargamon said:

Another poor attempt by Trump to mask the real reason: climate change.

There is no climate change.  Another ill informed idiot.  Did climate change cause no water in the fire hydrants.  Did climate cause the fact to save a smelt fish that the fresh water is being diverted to the ocean.  Use you head for something other than a hat rack.

39 minutes ago, thaipo7 said:

There is no climate change.  Another ill informed idiot.  Did climate change cause no water in the fire hydrants.  Did climate cause the fact to save a smelt fish that the fresh water is being diverted to the ocean.  Use you head for something other than a hat rack.

 

That's what happens when you have a bunch of Liberals running a state, who care more about Pronouns than the welfare of the citizens.

 

No wonder so many are leaving.  

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

That's what happens when you have a bunch of Liberals running a state, who care more about Pronouns than the welfare of the citizens.

 

No wonder so many are leaving.  

Welfare of the citizens 😄. Trump have concepts. 

It's no one's fault these things happen, and they have for thousands of years. Planning is the way to mitigate them, something Newsome will have no clue about. He is more worried about Trans toilets than disaster management.  

3 hours ago, dinsdale said:

Ash Wednesday

Tragic day, but ironically fitting name 🤣

15 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Welfare of the citizens 😄. Trump have concepts. 

 

Multiple clips on X of Trump predicting this.

 

Also saying how we would prevent it.

 

But no, the mayor was more concerned with her trip to Ghana. The head of the fire department wanted more diversity. They sacked hundreds of firefighters over the vaccine mandate.

 

DEI is great but firefighters and water might have helped. As well as maintaining forests.

 

Talk about going up in smoke. 

 

Look what happens when liberalism has a free reign. Scorched earth. Literally. 

 

Clowns. 

15 hours ago, bangadang said:

It's no one's fault these things happen, and they have for thousands of years. Planning is the way to mitigate them, something Newsome will have no clue about. He is more worried about Trans toilets than disaster management.  

 

Saw a female fighter being asked if she could carry a large man out of a burning building.

 

She basically said no but it's his fault for being in that situation. 

 

I kid you not. 

Theres some folks from california posting here, that left california to other states, or thailand, and are defending newsom. Truly despicable behavior

Newsome and Bass should resign.

19 hours ago, Tug said:

Then you should understand that you can only do so much especially with 80 mph winds  trumps back stabbing is uncalled for it’s just a ploy to rile up folks

Oh hi Tug. Trying to become relevant again after your brutal and utter humiliation in the election? Still dissing your President while defending utter incompetence.

 

Thats a great hill to die on: Newsome and Bass.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Oh hi Tug. Trying to become relevant again after your brutal and utter humiliation in the election? Still dissing your President while defending utter incompetence.

 

Thats a great hill to die on: Newsome and Bass.

 

 

 

Liberal policies putting fish and DEI above human life have literally burnt the place to the ground and still he defends it.

 

At least the likes of placeholder had the sense to slink off with their tail between their legs.

 

Tug wants to humiliate himself all over again. 

 

I wonder how those Cali Libs feel about saving the fish, DEI and the climate as they stand looking at the scorched remains of their house as a trans man struggles to carry the hose pipe from the empty fire truck.

 

Mugs. 

 

18 hours ago, thaipo7 said:

There is no climate change.  Another ill informed idiot.  Did climate change cause no water in the fire hydrants.  Did climate cause the fact to save a smelt fish that the fresh water is being diverted to the ocean.  Use you head for something other than a hat rack.

Really. You are more intelligent and informed than the 95% of scientists who agree anthropomorphic emissions of carbon dioxide are causing climate change?

 

I know who the ill informed idiot is.

 

No point in asking a microcephaloid to use their head.

When things went pear-shaped on Trump's last watch, it was always someone else's fault.

 

Expect blaming as one of his most visible attributes in the tears  years to come.

16 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Oh hi Tug. Trying to become relevant again after your brutal and utter humiliation in the election? Still dissing your President while defending utter incompetence.

 

Thats a great hill to die on: Newsome and Bass.

 

 

We shal see what (your hero) trump does this time,it’s not about being relevant not at all I do strongly feel we have made a grievous mistake putting trump back in time will tell ehh?I remember last time 

Remember the Hawaii wildfire

 

Remember this wildfire

 

Au naturel, 100%?

 

(Hint: GET OFF THE LAND)

40 minutes ago, Tug said:

We shal see what (your hero) trump does this time,it’s not about being relevant not at all I do strongly feel we have made a grievous mistake putting trump back in time will tell ehh?I remember last time 

So hes not the Greatest Nazi Criminal Evil Dictator Facist of All Time? Got it.

 

 

26 minutes ago, Woke to Sounds of Horking said:

Remember the Hawaii wildfire

 

Remember this wildfire

 

Au naturel, 100%?

 

(Hint: GET OFF THE LAND)

No new housing along the Pacific!

1 hour ago, JonnyF said:

 

Liberal policies putting fish and DEI above human life have literally burnt the place to the ground and still he defends it.

 

At least the likes of placeholder had the sense to slink off with their tail between their legs.

 

Tug wants to humiliate himself all over again. 

 

I wonder how those Cali Libs feel about saving the fish, DEI and the climate as they stand looking at the scorched remains of their house as a trans man struggles to carry the hose pipe from the empty fire truck.

 

Mugs. 

 

Its the end of Hollywood as we knew it.  No one is going to be rebuilding for a while. In fact, environmentally it would be damaging to rebuild.

2 hours ago, JonnyF said:

 

Multiple clips on X of Trump predicting this.

 

Also saying how we would prevent it.

 

But no, the mayor was more concerned with her trip to Ghana. The head of the fire department wanted more diversity. They sacked hundreds of firefighters over the vaccine mandate.

 

DEI is great but firefighters and water might have helped. As well as maintaining forests.

 

Talk about going up in smoke. 

 

Look what happens when liberalism has a free reign. Scorched earth. Literally. 

 

Clowns. 

Wide berth for the truth Morons 

22 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Its the end of Hollywood as we knew it.  No one is going to be rebuilding for a while. In fact, environmentally it would be damaging to rebuild.

Anyone who rebuilds in the area will do so at their own risk. Insurance companies won't insure the properties.

18 hours ago, bangadang said:

It's no one's fault these things happen, and they have for thousands of years. Planning is the way to mitigate them, something Newsome will have no clue about. He is more worried about Trans toilets than disaster management.  

 

You have no idea what has occurred. A state governor has no control over local fire mitigation. State policy and directives can be issued with the approval of the state legislature, but it is up to the counties and municpalities  to undertake local mitigation. They also set and apply local building codes. Everytime the state has  tried to change the building codes to  make  buildings more fire resistant, the construction and real estate developers fight back. When the state tries to undertake  local burns and brush clearing, local homeowners will file injunctions to stop the activity. Anti capitalism, socialism is what is claimed. 

 

The same people screaming here and blaming the governor are the first to complain when  a state attempts to prevent these events through building codes and restricting  development in the high risk fire zones.

 

Not a word from anyone holding the The National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) responsible for their lobbying in 2023 to prevent toughened  building codes. These are the same people who  demanded that they be allowed to keep building in flood plains  and have the customers access taxpayer subsidized flood insurance. They resisted the improved  electrical transformer regulations that would respond to  the  electrical fire risks  that accompany the increased. electricity demands on  transformers not designed to handle current  demands.  How greedy does one have to be to  demand that, and how stupid is the person who  buys a home in a flood plain?

 

How many people forget the. warnings that many of the areas where there are homes newly built that these were historic fire zones? How many are ignoring the recommendations not to  plant highly flammable decorative foilage around homes and instea duse local fire resistant species? How many are ignoring the increased demands for water from the   agricultural lobby to the detriement of local citizenry?

 

Yes, sure, blame the state governor for. individual actions. It is always easier to blame someone than to accept personal responsibility.

 

 

2 minutes ago, Patong2021 said:

 

You have no idea what has occurred. A state governor has no control over local fire mitigation. State policy and directives can be issued with the approval of the state legislature, but it is up to the counties and municpalities  to undertake local mitigation. They also set and apply local building codes. Everytime the state has  tried to change the building codes to  make  buildings more fire resistant, the construction and real estate developers fight back. When the state tries to undertake  local burns and brush clearing, local homeowners will file injunctions to stop the activity. Anti capitalism, socialism is what is claimed. 

 

The same people screaming here and blaming the governor are the first to complain when  a state attempts to prevent these events through building codes and restricting  development in the high risk fire zones.

 

Not a word from anyone holding the The National Association of Home Builders (NAHB) responsible for their lobbying in 2023 to prevent toughened  building codes. These are the same people who  demanded that they be allowed to keep building in flood plains  and have the customers access taxpayer subsidized flood insurance. They resisted the improved  electrical transformer regulations that would respond to  the  electrical fire risks  that accompany the increased. electricity demands on  transformers not designed to handle current  demands.  How greedy does one have to be to  demand that, and how stupid is the person who  buys a home in a flood plain?

 

How many people forget the. warnings that many of the areas where there are homes newly built that these were historic fire zones? How many are ignoring the recommendations not to  plant highly flammable decorative foilage around homes and instea duse local fire resistant species? How many are ignoring the increased demands for water from the   agricultural lobby to the detriement of local citizenry?

 

Yes, sure, blame the state governor for. individual actions. It is always easier to blame someone than to accept personal responsibility.

 

 

 

today told Congress that burdensome government regulations and mandates which support environmental, social and governance (ESG) policies impede the housing industry’s ability to increase the production of quality, affordable housing.

https://www.sbcacomponents.com/media/home-builders-lobby-congress-on-regulations-and-codes

Legally, it is carried 

Translation: Socialism didnt fail, it was capitalist wreckers, we need more Socialism.

16 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Anyone who rebuilds in the area will do so at their own risk. Insurance companies won't insure the properties.

 

Don't  bet on that. You need only look at Florida to see what happens. Good old Republican Florida has an issue with windstorms. Instead of really toughening building codes and requiring  that rebuilding and new builds be restricted in tidal surge zones, the state created its insurance pool. It was supposed to be an insurer of last resort, but  the citizenry forced the legislature to slowly push the pool into taking on more and more of uninsurable risks. The state said to the  reaining propertyu insurers that if they wanted to remain in the state they had to accept more lower quality risks. The insurers said ok and then proceeded to  price premiums so that even  moderate risks  got stuck subsidizing  the high risk properties.

 

California will force insurers to  write high risk properties and those insurers will spread their risk amongst all policy holders such that people who shouldn't have to pay a high premium will.

The insurance agents and brokers  will not be crying over this. The comission on a homeowner's policy  typically ranges from 10% to 20%. 

3 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Translation: Socialism didnt fail, it was capitalist wreckers, we need more Socialism.

 

Translation: The people who are complaining now about the failure of the state government to be more interventionist are the same people who complain when the state government does  just that.