David Lammy Criticizes Sajid Javid for Remarks on Ethnicity of Grooming Gangs

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David Lammy once claimed that condemning the ethnicity of grooming gangs “panders to the far-Right.” The remarks came after Sajid Javid, then serving as home secretary, commented on the conviction of 20 men, primarily of Pakistani heritage, involved in a series of heinous crimes in Huddersfield in 2018.  

 

The convicted men were responsible for a horrific catalogue of rape and abuse against young girls, some as young as 11 years old. The impact on the victims was devastating, with one attempting suicide, another undergoing an abortion, and two victims living with learning disabilities. After the trials concluded on October 19, 2018, Javid expressed his condemnation of the perpetrators. He stated: “These sick Asian paedophiles are finally facing justice. I want to commend the bravery of the victims. For too long, they were ignored. Not on my watch. There will be no no-go areas.”  

 

However, Javid’s comments drew criticism from several quarters, including Lammy, who was then a backbench Labour MP. In an interview with *The Guardian*, Lammy said, “Sajid Javid has brought a great office of state into disrepute. By singling out ‘Asians,’ he not only panders to the far-Right but increases the risk of violence and abuse against minorities across the country.”  

 

Javid, himself of British Pakistani heritage, later doubled down on his remarks, expressing anger at the actions of the perpetrators. “I was angry that Pakistani members of grooming gangs have disgraced our heritage,” he said, adding that there “must be some cultural connection” contributing to the disproportionate number of offenders of Pakistani origin in such cases. He subsequently ordered the Home Office to conduct research into the issue.  

In response to these remarks, Lammy remained critical. Sharing Javid’s comments on social media, he questioned the selective framing of the issue. “When historic sexual abuse was found across the establishment media, did he say it disgraced British cultural heritage? No,” Lammy said. “Because Sajid Javid plays only to the gallery on the hard-Right of his party for his own electoral ambitions.”  

 

The exchange highlighted divisions over how to address the sensitive issue of grooming gangs while avoiding stigmatizing entire communities. For Lammy, singling out ethnicity risked fueling discrimination, whereas Javid argued for confronting uncomfortable cultural factors contributing to such crimes. The debate remains a flashpoint in discussions on crime, justice, and community relations in the UK.

 

Based on a report by Daily Telegraph 2024-01-10

 

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[mr_lob]

Are we not allowed to call a spade a spade anymore Mr Lammy?

[TTSIssues]

Lammy is an idiot. The grooming gangs were nearly all Pakistani. So call it out and deal with the issue, you can’t just say that stating the origin of the gangs is racist.

 

if you don’t understand the cause of the problem, then you will never fix it. 
 

Left wing madness sadly. 

[JonnyF]

It seems telling the truth is now a "far right" phenomenon. 

 

Lammy is an idiot. Almost every pontification Lammy spews starts with "As a black man..." yet when anyone else mentions race he complains. Javid is himself of Asian heritage. So pointing out that the rape gangs are predominantly of Asian (more accurately Pakistani) heritage is simply stating a fact. 

 

Labour constantly try to deflect from their failings by throwing out slurs instead of dealing with the problem, as we recently saw when they voted against an inquiry and then called it a "far right" bandwagon.

 

They are embarrassing themselves. Britain has made a huge mistake. 

[mrfill]

I can't think why the Telegraph didn't mention that last year 85% of group based abusers were white males according to the Vulnerability Knowledge and Practice Programme (VKPP) - covering all related crimes recorded in 2022 - and its sister organisation, the Hydrant Programme - which reported specifically on "group-based" child sexual abuse that happened in 2023.

[RuamRudy]

5 minutes ago, mrfill said:

I can't think why the Telegraph didn't mention that last year 85% of group based abusers were white males according to the Vulnerability Knowledge and Practice Programme (VKPP) - covering all related crimes recorded in 2022 - and its sister organisation, the Hydrant Programme - which reported specifically on "group-based" child sexual abuse that happened in 2023.

 

I would be interested to see a link to that report if you have it.

 

According to the government, 82% of Brits are white so if your figures are correct the level of white abuse is disproportionately high. I expect Musk will be tweeting about this any minute now. 

 

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/#:~:text=82%%20of%20people%20in%20England,a%20variety%20of%20ethnic%20backgrounds.

[mrfill]

21 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

I would be interested to see a link to that report if you have it.

 

According to the government, 82% of Brits are white so if your figures are correct the level of white abuse is disproportionately high. I expect Musk will be tweeting about this any minute now. 

 

https://www.ethnicity-facts-figures.service.gov.uk/#:~:text=82%%20of%20people%20in%20England,a%20variety%20of%20ethnic%20backgrounds.

https://www.hydrantprogramme.co.uk/

https://www.vkpp.org.uk/vkpp-work/analytical-capability/national-analysis-of-police-recorded-child-sexual-abuse-and-exploitation-crimes-report-2022/

[David in the north]

If Lammy has a brain - he conceals it well

[Thingamabob]

1 hour ago, mrfill said:

I can't think why the Telegraph didn't mention that last year 85% of group based abusers were white males according to the Vulnerability Knowledge and Practice Programme (VKPP) - covering all related crimes recorded in 2022 - and its sister organisation, the Hydrant Programme - which reported specifically on "group-based" child sexual abuse that happened in 2023.

If you believe anything that originates from the VKPP you have a lot of growing up to do. 

[JonnyF]

11 minutes ago, David in the north said:

If Lammy has a brain - he conceals it well

 

He doesn't.

 

He removed all doubt when he made the poor decision to go on MasterMind. 

[mokwit]

17 minutes ago, Thingamabob said:

If you believe anything that originates from the VKPP you have a lot of growing up to do. 

I don't have the link and can't be bothered to look for it, but someone did an analysis of the "research" claims it was mainly white gangs and found there was an abuse of statistics and definitions to get to that conclusion i.e. it was deliberate misrepresentation for propaganda use.

 

 

[RuamRudy]

44 minutes ago, mokwit said:

I don't have the link and can't be bothered to look for it, but someone did an analysis of the "research" claims it was mainly white gangs and found there was an abuse of statistics and definitions to get to that conclusion i.e. it was deliberate misrepresentation for propaganda use.

 

 

 

So your accusations are baseless and unfounded. 

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

If you believe anything that originates from the VKPP you have a lot of growing up to do. 

 

Care to explain more or are we just to assume that you have unique insight? 

[Patong2021]

Perhaps if  they had been from Israel, Lammy would be beside himself with anger and milions in the UK would be on the streets demanding their collective punishment.

 

The worst part of this affair is that it is still going on and absolutely no one  in the UK wants to deal with the big picture, not even Farage and Reform.

[Thingamabob]

21 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Care to explain more or are we just to assume that you have unique insight? 

Feel free to make that assumption.

[mokwit]

11 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

So your accusations are baseless and unfounded. 

No, I just can't be bothered to look for a link from my X feed. I skimmed through it and felt the author and the analysis/points being made were credible.

 

People can make a judgement on what I say based on their judgement of me as a poster. I skim through a very broad front of things for my own interest and don't @nally save links for posting here like the "Link Brigade". if I can easily locate a link/source I post it, if not people can make a judgement as to my credibility based on my previous posts.

 

This demanding of links is a tactic of those on the Left as much of the accepted media is left biased, so demanding links means they are at an advantage as their points can be supported by propaganda accepted as a veritable source.

 

OK I wrote the above thinking I hadn't bookmarked the link, but I did so here it is BUT what I say above still stands. Presumably some will say as this is not from the Guardian it isn't credible.

 

 

[RuamRudy]

2 minutes ago, mokwit said:

No, I just can't be bothered to look for a link from my X feed. I skimmed through it and felt the author and the analysis/points being made were credible.

 

People can make a judgement on what I say based on their judgement of me as a poster. I skim through a very broad front of things for my own interest and don't @nally save links for posting here like the "Link Brigade". if I can easily locate a link/source I post it, if not people can make a judgement as to my credibility based on my previous posts.

 

This demanding of links is a tactic of those on the Left as much of the accepted media is left biased, so demanding links means they are at an advantage as their points can be supported by propaganda accepted as a veritable source.

 

OK I wrote the above thinking I hadn't bookmarked the link, but I did so here it is BUT what I say above still stands. Presumably some will say as this is not from the Guardian it isn't credible.

 

 

 

Sorry but some unknown twitter account with a very disturbing timeline filled with dog whistle racism is hardly a peer reviewed critique of the report. 

 

The demanding of links is no tactic, it's a requirement of this site in order to prevent unfounded claims such as yours being passed off as legitimate. 

[mokwit]

22 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Sorry but some unknown twitter account with a very disturbing timeline filled with dog whistle racism is hardly a peer reviewed critique of the report. 

 

The demanding of links is no tactic, it's a requirement of this site in order to prevent unfounded claims such as yours being passed off as legitimate. 

 

'twitter account with a very disturbing timeline filled with dog whistle racism'

 

That is just a view that is a reflection of your obvious personal politics. Can you please point out some examples of this 'dog whistle racism'. The fact is someone can do a credible analysis but has no control over the comments. BTW, peer reviewed is not what you probably think it is. Have you studied science formally ?

 

Perhaps you would like to give a critique of her points that led you to dismiss it, or have you so completely dismissed it, seemingly based on comments, rather than the analysis itself.

 

I went through what she had written as someone who was taught data analysis as part of a science degree/finance and it seems credible to me. Others can make their own judgement based on what she writes, rather than a supposed 'disturbing timeline filled with dog whistle racism'

 

The Guardian is accepted as a source here despite the fact that it accepted GBP319m from Bill Gates. In wouldn't think I was getting unbiased "reporting"  from middle aged journos terrified of losing their job if The Guardian folds if it isn't accepting donations like that. What was their stance on vaccination? Remind me.

[Bkk Brian]

4 hours ago, mrfill said:

I can't think why the Telegraph didn't mention that last year 85% of group based abusers were white males according to the Vulnerability Knowledge and Practice Programme (VKPP) - covering all related crimes recorded in 2022 - and its sister organisation, the Hydrant Programme - which reported specifically on "group-based" child sexual abuse that happened in 2023.

Got a link to those reports because even the Jay report disagrees with those figures.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

5 hours ago, mrfill said:

I can't think why the Telegraph didn't mention that last year 85% of group based abusers were white males according to the Vulnerability Knowledge and Practice Programme (VKPP) - covering all related crimes recorded in 2022 - and its sister organisation, the Hydrant Programme - which reported specifically on "group-based" child sexual abuse that happened in 2023.

 

This entire article is about the rape and torture gang in Huddersfield, who were all Muslim men of Pakistani heritage; what is your agenda that you are trying to hijack the thread away from the focus of the article, as if to deflect any blame or responsibility away from Muslim men of Pakistani heritage ?

 

Maybe you should research the ethnicity of the rape gangs in Oxford, Rotherham, Telford, Rochdale, Oldham, Newcastle, Bradford, Dewsbury, and Keighley; and when you’ve done that, let me know and I will give you an even longer list of rape gangs to research, although you probably won't like the results. 

 

 

 

 

[JonnyF]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Got a link to those reports because even the Jay report disagrees with those figures.

 

The reports were total nonsense. Propaganda.

 

From memory I think they only recorded ethnicity in about 25% of cases they investigated (given their now well documented motivations, I wonder in which cases they decided to record that information!) which makes the statistics meaningless already.

 

But the whole point with the rape gangs is that certain Demographics are not even investigated. They were completely dismissed out of hand when reported. In some cases the person reporting it was threatened with arrest. In other cases the victim reporting the abuse was returned to their abuser. It would be like if the Met Police decided to never stop and search Caucasians for drugs, and then proudly declared that based on their "investigations" (where BTW they only recorded ethnicity 25% of the time), Caucasians were massively under-represented in drugs carrying cases.

 

Laughable.  

 

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Sorry but some unknown twitter account with a very disturbing timeline filled with dog whistle racism

 

Straight out of the far left’s book of denial; if we don’t like it and can’t put up a considered argument against it, call it racism. You would get on very well with David “race card” Lammy.

 

 

[RuamRudy]

1 hour ago, mokwit said:

Can you please point out some examples of this 'dog whistle racism'.

 

 

 

 

 

[The Cyclist]

Its all a conspiracy and picking on people froma Pakisatani background

 

 

Perhaps someone could post a similar motage of the white grooming gangs that have been jailed over the last 10 years

 

These were jailed yesterday, but apparently Albanian

 

 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8xj559g571o

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

Straight out of the far left’s book of denial; if we don’t like it and can’t put up a considered argument against it, call it racism. You would get on very well with David “race card” Lammy.

 

 

Considering all the inquiries and reports so far clearly evidencing that Pakistani groups were by far more responsible for some of the most horrific gang rapes of white girls in England and Wales. It's shameful that we still have people deflecting these facts.

[Eloquent pilgrim]

9 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Well your first supposed example mentions Muslim men; you obviously don’t even know that Muslims are not a race, they are adherents to the Islamic faith.

 

The second example is just the plain truth, however unpalatable it is to your far left sensibilities; the only racism has been displayed by the Muslim Pakistani men, deliberately targeting young white caucasian girls specifically because of their ethnicity …. shame on you.

 

 

 

 

 

[RuamRudy]

 

Whomever is behind the twitter account @thatkatyagirl did; I was challenged to provide evidence that this account was racist and found these particular tweets that I listed in under a minute.

 

EP then defended her/him, saying in relation to the statement  "If you spend any time with Pakistani men, you will see where they place white working class girls on the respect line."

 

1 hour ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

The second example is just the plain truth, however unpalatable it is to your far left sensibilities

 

The Twitter account did not say 'some' Pakistani men.

[mokwit]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

 

 

 

 

 

She is just stating her experience in the first. Judging by the number of grooming convictions and an estimated 250,000, maybe 1m victims, perhaps her father knew something and was trying to protect his daughter. Groomers hung around school gates FFS.

 

What is going on here? It looks very suspicious, a teenage girl passed out in the back.

 

Mods: If this breaches any rule can you delete just the vid, and not my writing. I pasted it and now can't delete it leaving just my writing, nor can I start a new post with just the text without it still being there in the old one because we can't delete a post.

 

Lorelle is making the point in the second that Muslims seem to regard any woman who isn't covered up or who isn't Muslim as fair game. This does seem to be the case - if they tried to groom women in their own Muslim community the family would probably kill them, so they go after the easy meat of non Muslim girls - victims fathers can't even report the crime for fear of being the one arrested. Also the reported in court abuse hurled at these girls by the rapists seems to confirm extreme disrespect for white girls.

 

It is not racist to say how things are. My sister who is 63 told that when she was early tens 13/14 Indian subcontinent men would approach her in the street and try to talk to her. Is that racist to recant?

 

I don't see anything racist here, just an accurate statement about the behavior of a material number of member of the Pakistani/Bangladeshi Muslim community in UK towns. The figures show a highly disproportionate number of rape convictions in the Muslim population in some towns.

 

So, I don't see anything racist, if you are going to apply the political word and say I am "racially stereotyping", that is a reflection of your political position.

 

If I had a teenage daughter I would tell her not to use Pakistani/Bangladeshi taxi/uber drivers, because whilst the large majority are very decent men I am sure, there is a higher than normal risk with this group, based on ACTUAL CONVICTIONS.

 

You haven't addressed my other points about the research, preferring to hide behind some tweets you regard as racist rather than the points made about how the "research" was literally a perversion of the facts for political ends.

[mokwit]

23 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

Whomever is behind the twitter account @thatkatyagirl did; I was challenged to provide evidence that this account was racist and found these particular tweets that I listed in under a minute.

It is your OPINION that they are racist. The Left defines racism any way it wants for its own purposes. The political construct of "racial stereotyping" is used as a tactic. As I have detailed above, I don't think the tweets are racist AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF THE EVIDENCE OF CONVICTIONS.

[RuamRudy]

11 minutes ago, mokwit said:

It is your OPINION that they are racist. The Left defines racism any way it wants for its own purposes. The political construct of "racial stereotyping" is used as a tactic. As I have detailed above, I don't think the tweets are racist AGAINST THE BACKDROP OF THE EVIDENCE OF CONVICTIONS.

 

The account literally tweeted that all Pakistanis see white women as inferior, and that no Muslim could be trusted near children. If you cannot see the blatant racism there then I cannot help you.