House Approves Sanctions on ICC Over Netanyahu Arrest Warrant

[jacob29]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   The ONLY war crimes to have been committed are those committed by Hamas .

   Israel hasn't committed any war crimes 

Would it be appropriate for Hamas to sanction any international  court investigating this?

[Nick Carter icp]

4 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

Would it be appropriate for Hamas to sanction any international  court investigating this?

 

   No, Hamas are rogues and they need to be either jailed or killed .

They are dead men walking and should be treated as such

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

Wasn't even aware he was a Republican, thought rep meant representative. Democrats vs Republicans didn't even cross my mind.

 

Since always, which doesn't mean every instance is deemed a war crimes. Are you suggesting there is no number of civilian collateral deaths, that could be considered excessive?

Since always? Simply not true. I suggest you start here then do some research on IHL Rule 14

 

"Civilians cannot be made the object of an attack, but the death/injury of civilians while conducting an attack on a military objective are governed under principles such as of proportionality and military necessity and can be permissible."

 

Back on topic, here some more reasons why the warrants are worthless, this time from UK experts.

 

The ICC's Credibility Crisis: Why It May Be Beyond Redemption

https://aseannow.com/topic/1345056-the-iccs-credibility-crisis-why-it-may-be-beyond-redemption/

 

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

Would it be appropriate for Hamas to sanction any international  court investigating this?

Bizarre response

[JonnyF]

29 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

If you like thuggish threats, yes it was brilliant. Personally not the direction I like to see governments moving in.

 

You don't take a knife to a gun fight.

 

It's about time Western governments took the gloves off. In order to achieve this, weak pearl clutching pandering Liberal/progressive governments will need to be removed.

 

With the exception of the UK that seems to be happening.

 

Better late than never. 

[Patong2021]

13 hours ago, TigerandDog said:

It appears that everyone whose comments are in support of this ridiculous legislation have little or no knowledge of how this originally started. Israel, which did not exist as a country pre WW2 was created by the UN and annexed from Palestine.  The real terrorists in this ongoing saga are Israel, and especially Netanyahu.  First they annexed the Golan Heights from Syria, then they annexed the West Bank & Gaza from Palestine.  The PLO, Hamas etc, whilst internationally labelled as terrorists, are doing nothing different to what Ukraine is currently doing with Russia. Defending their homeland from a terrorist govt continually expanding, and essentially invading, in the past Syria and currently Palestine. under the pretext of their national security.

I'm not a supporter of the methods used by Hamas, BUT Netanyahu has ALWAYS been the instigator in these incursions into Palestinian territory. Netanyahu is the real terrorist here and he should be arrested on site.  This only thing this stupid piece of US legislation does is show the USA's support for a terrorist Prime Minister.

 

Israel most certainly existed as a nation long before WWII. It was called the Kingdom of Israel. This is documented and an historical fact. Would you deny the existence of the Duchys and Principalities of Europe? They went on to  become  countries  known today as Italy, France, Germany etc. 

 

In case you missed it, there was something called the Ottoman Empire. It had control over much of the region called the Middle East for centuries. Israel existed as a part of the Ottoman Empire and was administered as a department  of Damascus. There was no Lebanon, no Jordan, no Saudia Arabia and the borders of  Assyria, Iraq/Babylonia, Persia/Iran were not defined. Nor was there any semblance of a place called Palestine as it is known today. The North African  Arab nations of today were nothing more than feuding tribal and clan differentiations.

 

You deny the existence of modern Israel, and yet, you ignore the fact, that Israel's modern origins also gave rise to Jordan, Lebanon, the  establishment of the Syrian and Iraqi borders, and the creation of the Kingdom of Saudi Arabia. 

 

You wish to deny the existence and legitimacy of Israel. Fine. Then at least be consistent and  deny the right to exist of much of the current Arab nations.

 

The Arabs could have lived in peace with Israel, but they  attacked Israel in 1948 with the stated desire to wipe it out. The arab leadership has been promising to do this since 1948 as it provides an easy distraction from the screwed up mismanaged corrupt  dictatorships that they are.

[Dave0206]

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Those iron dome rockets aren't cheap , about $100 000 per rocket .

It would be a good idea to stop Iran and Hamas and the Hothis from firing rockets at Israel 

Well as you say it's a rich country with a gdp of 500 billion so perhaps instead of extending its borders can perhaps think about another avenue for peace or build away and pay the 100.000 per rocket

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, Dave0206 said:

Well as you say it's a rich country with a gdp of 500 billion so perhaps instead of extending its borders can perhaps think about another avenue for peace or build away and pay the 100.000 per rocket

 

   Well, what other way to peace would that be ?

Have you got a solution to the problem ?

[Dave0206]

Well unless you kill everyone survivors who lose homes and loved ones will not be hard to convert to hamas isis or any other factions that give them a opportunity to strike back against isreal and the west who only see 1 side .Easy to place the blame 100% on hamas they played right into his hands now he and his war cabinet are indiscriminately bombing the hell out of everyone. 

[jacob29]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

 under principles such as of proportionality and military necessity and can be permissible."

The proportionality principle is implied in my response, why do you think I asked if there any level of casualties that are unacceptable.

 

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

The ICC's Credibility Crisis: Why It May Be Beyond Redemption

https://aseannow.com/topic/1345056-the-iccs-credibility-crisis-why-it-may-be-beyond-redemption/

 

Once again, I'm talking about the mafia like statement coming from the rep - which ignores the matter of credibly, instead threatening anyone who dares investigate the US or allies. He did not make it conditional on non-credible charges, or hint that if they were credible then there wouldn't be an issue.

[Geir Rasch]

12 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your are forgetting that Hamas are the ones responsible for nearly all the deaths, you are forgetting Hamas uses the Gazan civilians as human shields and deliberate sacrifice.

Do you mean that makes it right for Israel to kill innocent people? 

[Nick Carter icp]

59 minutes ago, Geir Rasch said:

Do you mean that makes it right for Israel to kill innocent people? 

 

  Innocent people get killed in all wars 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, Dave0206 said:

Well unless you kill everyone survivors who lose homes and loved ones will not be hard to convert to hamas isis or any other factions that give them a opportunity to strike back against isreal and the west who only see 1 side .Easy to place the blame 100% on hamas they played right into his hands now he and his war cabinet are indiscriminately bombing the hell out of everyone. 

 

  Its very easy to blame Hamas , because they started the war by attacking  Israel , killing innocent woman and children , taking hostages and many other atrocities .

  Likewise, Hamas attacking Israel resulted in Israel striking back and going hardline , works both ways  

[Dave0206]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Its very easy to blame Hamas , because they started the war by attacking  Israel , killing innocent woman and children , taking hostages and many other atrocities .

  Likewise, Hamas attacking Israel resulted in Israel striking back and going hardline , works both ways  

And the finish is when?

[Nick Carter icp]

15 minutes ago, Dave0206 said:

And the finish is when?

 

  When Palestinians accept Israel's right to exist and they stop waging war against Israel .

  When Palestinians want to live in peace , that's when the conflict will end 

[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, jacob29 said:

The proportionality principle is implied in my response, why do you think I asked if there any level of casualties that are unacceptable.

 

Once again, I'm talking about the mafia like statement coming from the rep - which ignores the matter of credibly, instead threatening anyone who dares investigate the US or allies. He did not make it conditional on non-credible charges, or hint that if they were credible then there wouldn't be an issue.

Can you stop snipping my quotes out of context. You clearly contradicted your self and I addressed that:

 

Back on topic and your rage at the US statement to the ICC, I feel for you. the utter disgust that they should sound like the mafia especially when there are US citizens being held hostage, never mind eh. Have you read some of the statements coming from the terrorists? 

[Bkk Brian]

6 hours ago, Geir Rasch said:

Do you mean that makes it right for Israel to kill innocent people? 

Its urban warfare, since when have civilians been spared the horrible consequences of that? Especially when the terrorists have embedded themselves directly within the local population to use them as human shields, which is a war crime. 

[stevenl]

8 hours ago, Dave0206 said:

And the finish is when?

The way Israel is handling things at the moment, no finish in 100 years 

[Nick Carter icp]

12 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The way Israel is handling things at the moment, no finish in 100 years 

 

   There will only be peace when Hamas is removed from the equation .

Israel need to go into Gaza and set up deradicalization  camps and bring up the next Palestinian generation NOT hating Israel  .

   Remove the Hamas ideology from the Strip

[Bkk Brian]

17 minutes ago, stevenl said:

The way Israel is handling things at the moment, no finish in 100 years 

Why is Hamas going to capture more baby hostages?

[jacob29]

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

You clearly contradicted your self and I addressed that:

I clarified in the same sentence, that 'since always' does not mean 'in every instance'. Please finish reading the sentences you're replying to.

 

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

the utter disgust that they should sound like the mafia especially when there are US citizens being held hostage, never mind eh. Have you read some of the statements coming from the terrorists? 

Once again, you're implying that when dealing with terrorists, there should be no restrictions - that human rights are no longer applicable. Xinjiang investigation in China? That's an anti terrorism campaign, so China should sanction any party calling for investigation. That's your logic. That's the precedent being set, and if the US wants to lead by example, this is not the example to be setting.

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, jacob29 said:

I clarified in the same sentence, that 'since always' does not mean 'in every instance'. Please finish reading the sentences you're replying to.

 

Once again, you're implying that when dealing with terrorists, there should be no restrictions - that human rights are no longer applicable. Xinjiang investigation in China? That's an anti terrorism campaign, so China should sanction any party calling for investigation. That's your logic. That's the precedent being set, and if the US wants to lead by example, this is not the example to be setting.

I clarified in the same sentence, that 'since always' does not mean 'in every instance'. Please finish reading the sentences you're replying to.

 

No you contradicted yourself....lol

 

Don't try and make up what I imply. Its quite clear for those with honesty and logic

[jacob29]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

No you contradicted yourself....lol

I pre-empted your low effort reply by adding that clarification, as I figured you would go with that distortion of what I said.

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

I pre-empted your low effort reply by adding that clarification, as I figured you would go with that distortion of what I said.

Yes of course you did Jacob................

 

Have you read the charges yet?

[jacob29]

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

Have you read the charges yet?

Irrelevant, as I'm not arguing that US should accept whatever claims are made. I have no problem with the US rejecting their findings or jurisdiction and going about their business. Threatening investigating parties with sanctions for merely daring to investigate, is the problem here. So please, enough with the red herrings.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, jacob29 said:

Irrelevant, as I'm not arguing that US should accept whatever claims are made. I have no problem with the US rejecting their findings or jurisdiction and going about their business. Threatening investigating parties with sanctions for merely daring to investigate, is the problem here. So please, enough with the red herrings.

Got it, so you haven't.........jeez

[Patong2021]

12 hours ago, Geir Rasch said:

Do you mean that makes it right for Israel to kill innocent people? 

 

Identify who is innocent. Serious request. The reality is that  Hamas uses children in its  war. They are used as  couriers, logistics helpers, observers, and  fighters. Typically, the  boy is allowed to become a fighter once he can grow hair in his armpit.

Militant fighters are intentionally housed in danger zones to serve as human shields. Missile and rocket launch sites are  fired from "schools" and medical facilities  as well as residential buildings. Munitions depots are  maintained in these areas  and hospitals are used for  command and control sites.

 

The aforementioned has been documented.  How then would you fight a war against such an entity that intentionally puts people in harm's way and who hides behind such people with the goal of creating martyrs to manipulate western sentiment. The other muslim nations know what is being done because they have done it themselves in Iraq, Iran, Afghanistan, Yemen, Libya and Chad.

 

Even after Israel cleared several hospitals, Hamas moved its  rocket launch sites back  into them.

 

How then do you propose that Israel defend itself from the rocket launches from Gaza from the dozen or more  factions? Hamas is the principal enemy, but Islamic Jihad and the Marxist  Alliance and others are all engaged in the war. They are sworn to the destruction of israel and refuse to enter into a peace  arrangement.

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[Geir Rasch]

13 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

  Its very easy to blame Hamas , because they started the war by attacking  Israel , killing innocent woman and children , taking hostages and many other atrocities .

  Likewise, Hamas attacking Israel resulted in Israel striking back and going hardline , works both ways  

Hamas is called terrorists for what they have done. So when Israel do the same they too should be called terrorists. Agree?

[Geir Rasch]

7 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its urban warfare, since when have civilians been spared the horrible consequences of that? Especially when the terrorists have embedded themselves directly within the local population to use them as human shields, which is a war crime. 

Who is the terrorists? When they both do the same: killing innocent people, they are both terrorists. It is sad that usa support terrorists. Not all israeli are terrorists, only those who support Netanyahus terror acts.