4 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Should they also be lauded for killing thousands of innocent people, including thousand of children?

What about Hamas? Are you suggesting that they should be lauded for their atrocities?

21 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

What about Hamas? Are you suggesting that they should be lauded for their atrocities?

What a stupid question.

Nobody should kill innocent people.

And because Hamas (not the Palestinian People in general) killed maybe thousand innocent Israelis, that doesn't give Israel the right to kill ten-thousands of innocent Palestinians. 

And everybody knows that some innocent people die in wars. The question is how many and what the fighters do to avoid civilian casualties. 

Let the ICC do their job. They won't convict innocent people.

2 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The IDF are good, but they arent THAT good 

The IDF are good at killing ten-thousands of innocent people. They are good at destroying homes, hospital, infrastructure, etc.

If the IDF did nothing wrong, then you should not be concerned about the international court investigating. 

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

What a stupid question.

Nobody should kill innocent people.

And because Hamas (not the Palestinian People in general) killed maybe thousand innocent Israelis, that doesn't give Israel the right to kill ten-thousands of innocent Palestinians. 

And everybody knows that some innocent people die in wars. The question is how many and what the fighters do to avoid civilian casualties. 

Let the ICC do their job. They won't convict innocent people.

 

   The usual rate for civilian casualties in war is about 90 % (and those figure's come from the U.N) , the civilian casualty rate in the Gaza war is about 60 % .

   So Israel are doing very well to keep the civilian casualty  so low .

2 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

The IDF are good at killing ten-thousands of innocent people. They are good at destroying homes, hospital, infrastructure, etc.

If the IDF did nothing wrong, then you should not be concerned about the international court investigating. 

 

   There has already been an investigation into Israel's actions by the ICJ, and Israel were not found to be guilty of the allegations .

   You know very well that Israel attacks homes, schools and hospitals because Hamas use them as bases for attacks 

11 hours ago, newbee2022 said:

America protects criminals. 😨

not surprising,  since the future POTUS is a convicted felon as well !!! birds of the feather flock together

4 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

What a stupid question.

Nobody should kill innocent people.

And because Hamas (not the Palestinian People in general) killed maybe thousand innocent Israelis, that doesn't give Israel the right to kill ten-thousands of innocent Palestinians. 

And everybody knows that some innocent people die in wars. The question is how many and what the fighters do to avoid civilian casualties. 

Let the ICC do their job. They won't convict innocent people.

Here, from an expert although I doubt you'll read it seeing as you can't even tell the difference between the terrorists intent to murder innocent people and IDF's attempts to minimize civilian causalities that the terrorists are using as human shields.

 

Israel Tried to Prevent Civilian Casualties More Than Any Nation in History
Israel has taken more measures to avoid needless civilian harm than virtually any other nation that's fought an urban war.

https://www.newsweek.com/authors/john-spencer

5 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Your are forgetting that Hamas are the ones responsible for nearly all the deaths, you are forgetting Hamas uses the Gazan civilians as human shields and deliberate sacrifice.

I don’t think they/ them have forgotten.

I think a large contingent  of they / them agree with the left’s attempt at universal globalization of peoplekind.

The no borders crowd.

Western Civilization be da- - , lets

spread a barbaric culture .

 

13 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

The IDF are good at killing ten-thousands of innocent people.

 

   Do you realise that Hamas use ALL deaths in their figures ?

They use natural deaths, car accidents , electrocutions, old age , anyone who dies for whatever reason is added to their list .

   Even the people who Hamas kill themselves are added to the list

11 hours ago, Dave0206 said:

I don't quite understand the hold isreal has over the USA it has received many many billions of dollars but listens to no one .it was Netanyahu who promised get rid of saddam hussein and it will bring peace to the middle east well Bush listened and that worked out great.

No one is allowed any criticism of how isreal is conducting the constant bombing or we are jew haters .

Even Jewish people who say its wrong are not immune 

 

How about the big picture. Israel is doing the dirty work of the western governments and several Arab countries, none of whom wants to  be  the target of the Islamic jihadis. The Ottoman Turks left the region in an absolute mess. The Europeans made it worse with their colonial disruption in North Africa. Also, Israel is fighting against overwhelming odds against  hundreds of millions of people with more money and more power. 

19 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Here, from an expert although I doubt you'll read it seeing as you can't even tell the difference between the terrorists intent to murder innocent people and IDF's attempts to minimize civilian causalities that the terrorists are using as human shields.

 

Israel Tried to Prevent Civilian Casualties More Than Any Nation in History
Israel has taken more measures to avoid needless civilian harm than virtually any other nation that's fought an urban war.

https://www.newsweek.com/authors/john-spencer

 

   Its an unbelievable crazy situation .

IDF are trying to avoid killing civilians and Hamas are trying to get the civilians killed .

   Israel are trying to keeps its enemy civilians  alive , whilst its enemy is trying to get them killed .

   Israel are trying to feed the civilians, whilst the enemy wants their own civilians to starve to death 

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Its an unbelievable crazy situation .

IDF are trying to avoid killing civilians and Hamas are trying to get the civilians killed .

   Israel are trying to keeps its enemy civilians  alive , whilst its enemy is trying to get them killed .

   Israel are trying to feed the civilians, whilst the enemy wants their own civilians to starve to death 

It beggars belief, I agree. Hamas top leaders openly stating that they are happy to sacrifice there own civilians for their cause which is to wipe Israel of the map. Even Blinken recently said why are more people not condeming Hamas? Its because of this they are still holding hostages and prolonging the whole war.

22 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Do you realise that Hamas use ALL deaths in their figures ?

They use natural deaths, car accidents , electrocutions, old age , anyone who dies for whatever reason is added to their list .

   Even the people who Hamas kill themselves are added to the list

Obviously, that makes a huge difference. I am sure in reality the IDF is not really killing anybody, correct?

All those babies and children die because of natural deaths, car accidents, electrocutions, old age and all that.

Thanks for informing us about this important fact.

1 minute ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Obviously, that makes a huge difference. I am sure in reality the IDF is not really killing anybody, correct?

All those babies and children die because of natural deaths, car accidents, electrocutions, old age and all that.

Thanks for informing us about this important fact.

The figures given by Hamas also include the 20,000 plus Hamas fighters that the IDF have killed, tot it up fella. 

3 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Obviously, that makes a huge difference. I am sure in reality the IDF is not really killing anybody, correct?

All those babies and children die because of natural deaths, car accidents, electrocutions, old age and all that.

Thanks for informing us about this important fact.

 

   Well, apart from that isn't what I said .

What I said and what you claimed that I said are two different things .

How did you manage to not understand what I said ?

42 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

not surprising,  since the future POTUS is a convicted felon as well !!! birds of the feather flock together

Yeah, that's true. So who will respect US in International politics? Shake hands with a cheater, pussy grabber and criminal? At least I would wash my hands🤢. After.

8 minutes ago, newbee2022 said:

Yeah, that's true. So who will respect US in International politics? Shake hands with a cheater, pussy grabber and criminal? At least I would wash my hands🤢. After.

 

As if he would shake hands with you 

3 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

USA gives Israel $4 Billion a year , Israel's GDP is $500 Billion a year .

So, the USA isbt paying for this war .

   If the USA wants to control Israel, then it will have to invade Israel and take over 

In the last year states has contributed nearer 20 billion the 4 billion is in a normal year that's about $60 for every man woman and child not an insignificant amount 

15 minutes ago, Dave0206 said:

In the last year states has contributed nearer 20 billion the 4 billion is in a normal year that's about $60 for every man woman and child not an insignificant amount 

 

  Those iron dome rockets aren't cheap , about $100 000 per rocket .

It would be a good idea to stop Iran and Hamas and the Hothis from firing rockets at Israel 

A few years ago I heard a story from a man who was in Gaza sitting on the roof of a building with a bunch of Arabs drinking tea. He said a helicopter gunship appeared and started shooting rockets into a nearby building. When he asked the Arabs why they were not concerned they told him there was no problem as the Israelis were very good at targeting who they were after and there was never any collateral damage. Seems like things have changed.

12 hours ago, mdr224 said:

A step in the right direction

You don't see any issues with the precedent it sets? They stated it was done because the ICC pursued a US ally, not because the ICC was necessarily wrong. The message is clear enough, no accountability.

 

China may as well sanction the PCA next, for their ruling in the SCS.

5 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

You don't see any issues with the precedent it sets? They stated it was done because the ICC pursued a US ally, not because the ICC was necessarily wrong. The message is clear enough, no accountability.

 

China may as well sanction the PCA next, for their ruling in the SCS.

Whole list of reasons for why they should never have been issued here

 

Five Things to Know About the ICC’s Baseless Warrants Against Israeli Officials

https://www.fddaction.org/policy-alerts/2024/05/20/five-things-to-know-about-the-iccs-baseless-warrants-against-israeli-officials/

 

Of course the chief prosecutor Karim Khan has his own problems now with the UN investigation into the sexual allegations made against him and calls for him to stand down while its ongoing.

11 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Whole list of reasons for why they should never have been issued here

Then the rep should not have fired his mouth off with the statement 'We may not recognize you, but you sure as hell will recognize what happens when you target America or its allies'. That is a warning that regardless of whether it's for the 'right' reasons or not, you will risk sanctions.

 

Anyone who believes less accountability for government is a step in the right direction, isn't thinking through the implications.

14 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

Then the rep should not have fired his mouth off with the statement 'We may not recognize you, but you sure as hell will recognize what happens when you target America or its allies'. That is a warning that regardless of whether it's for the 'right' reasons or not, you will risk sanctions.

 

Anyone who believes less accountability for government is a step in the right direction, isn't thinking through the implications.

I think that was an excellent response from the rep actually, don't agree with your take at all.

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I think that was an excellent response from the rep actually, don't agree with your take at all.

If you like thuggish threats, yes it was brilliant. Personally not the direction I like to see governments moving in.

Just now, jacob29 said:

If you like thuggish threats, yes it was brilliant. Personally not the direction I like to see governments moving in.

When dealing with a war against terrorists who are still holding hostages including US citizens it was quite mild. Even Biden said the ICC warrants were outrageous

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

When dealing with a war against terrorists who are still holding hostages including US citizens it was quite mild. Even Biden said the ICC warrants were outrageous

Whoa hold the phone. Biden, of the same government, had the same opinion? What are the odds?

 

Your enemy being a terrorist doesn't exempt you from war crimes, as the civilians caught in the crossfire aren't terrorists.

2 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

Whoa hold the phone. Biden, of the same government, had the same opinion? What are the odds?

 

Your enemy being a terrorist doesn't exempt you from war crimes, as the civilians caught in the crossfire aren't terrorists.

The point being its not a right wing thing as some had claimed, you can drop the phone now.

 

Since when do civilians getting caught in cross fire = a war crime? Have you even read the charges?

8 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

Whoa hold the phone. Biden, of the same government, had the same opinion? What are the odds?

 

Your enemy being a terrorist doesn't exempt you from war crimes, as the civilians caught in the crossfire aren't terrorists.

 

   The ONLY war crimes to have been committed are those committed by Hamas .

   Israel hasn't committed any war crimes 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

The point being its not a right wing thing as some had claimed, you can drop the phone now.

Wasn't even aware he was a Republican, thought rep meant representative. Democrats vs Republicans didn't even cross my mind.

 

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

 

Since when do civilians getting caught in cross fire = a war crime? 

Since always, which doesn't mean every instance is deemed a war crimes. Are you suggesting there is no number of civilian collateral deaths, that could be considered excessive?