They love Trump, but many on the right loathe the Israel-Hamas ceasefire deal he demanded

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

What you seem to not understand, most people are not warriors, they are normal people with fear for their life and their family, so they trying to stay out of trouble, same as the arabs inside Israel, they do not want any trouble that can harm them or their families. 

 

Thats why when first a tyrant or dictatorship have power, they face very few consequenses until enough is enough, and terrorism is the solution or gerilja war. 

 

   All they would have to do would be to all walk enmass to an open field after informing the IDF , then the IDF going into the area and wiping Hamas out .

   There's lots of videos of Palestinian citizens stating that they would die fighting against the Jews , happily become martyrs fighting against Israel .

   Any reason why those guys cant do the same against Hamas ?

[Nick Carter icp]

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

What you seem to not understand, most people are not warriors, they are normal people with fear for their life and their family, so they trying to stay out of trouble, same as the arabs inside Israel, they do not want any trouble that can harm them or their families. 

 

Thats why when first a tyrant or dictatorship have power, they face very few consequenses until enough is enough, and terrorism is the solution or gerilja war. 

 

    Palestinians Israeli Arabs are quite happy and content in Israel .

They can get passports and leave anytime they like .

There is nothing keeping them there , they stay there because they want to .

[Nick Carter icp]

6 hours ago, simple1 said:

 

. To call out Oct 7 as a military accomplishment is moronic as it's led to severe injury to the Palestinian people and Hamas for no political gain except the release of some Palestinian criminals. Maybe the enrichment of the Hamas leadership during reconstruction. IMO PLA quickly need new leadership and international support to take out Hamas. 

 

    The Hamas leadership have all been killed .

17 000 Hamas members have been killed . 

Much of Gaza has been reduced to rubble .

Hezbollah have been wiped out .

Assads Syria have fallen .

Iran have had their air defence system destroyed and their bomb making factories in Syria destroyed .

Houthis have been bombed and their infrastructure destroyed .

Buuuuuut , Congratulations to Hamas for winning the war 🙂

[Hummin]

10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Palestinians Israeli Arabs are quite happy and content in Israel .

They can get passports and leave anytime they like .

There is nothing keeping them there , they stay there because they want to .

As long people manage to keep family safe, they have work, and no other countries can offer anything better, what would you have done? 

 

So many simple human mechanism you are not willing to take in over yourself, and should ask yourself if you where palestinian, what would you had done? 

 

 

[uncletiger]

I think not enough people understand exactly how much House Speaker Johnson firing Mike Turner from the House Intelligence Committee actually contributed to this ceasefire agreement.  Mike Turner is an old school RINO Republican who was deeply loved by the Washington establishment. The Democrats were more upset by his firing than any Republican. But why?

 

Apparently, Turner was trying to "stack the deck" on the Whitehouse Security Council. As Chair of the House Intelligence Committee, he had a lot of power to determine who was allowed to be on this council, and he was only going to allow in deep state loyalists. This would have effectively put him, and by extension the deep state establishment, in charge of how the US responded to the wars in Ukraine and Israel, rather than Trump. And this would have made it very difficult for Trump to enact his policies to force Israel to the bargaining table.

 

Firing Turner not only sent Washington DC in to panic mode, but also forced everyone to accept Trump's cease fire deal. Beyond this, it removed the establishment's key ally in protecting the CIA and other intelligence services from Trump's restructuring plan. This is very likely why we have suddenly seen a large number of resignations in the past few days, as the reality of what just happened has set in within Washington circles. The Hamas-Israel ceasefire deal is just the first win that is going to come by Trump draining the Swamp. Swamp creatures on both sides of the political spectrum are starting to panic right now.

 

Whether or not you believe Israel actually controls the deep state in the US, Mike Turner's firing is a big deal with huge implications, because at the very least he was very pro Israel. And almost nobody is talking about it. It was the key event in making this cease fire possible.

[GammaGlobulin]

On 1/18/2025 at 1:55 PM, John Drake said:

And as I kept saying, he's turning soft on China. Not just the Tik Tok reversal from his previous stance but all his "we will solve problems together" talk on his latest phone call. Trump is going to betray his base. And he's going to govern so incompetently that the Democrats sweep congress in 2026 and AOC becomes  president in 2028. Unless by then Trump has a Chinese praetorian guard occupying DC.

 https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jan/17/xi-jinping-trump-call

 

The Red-Chinese Dragon has not changed its spots.

The Red Chinese have not changed their plans for world domination.

 

The question might be..

Will China (the government) implode before it destroys the world.

 

There is no point in adding any unnecessary economic fuel to their fire.

 

This is war we are now engaged in!

 

[Jingthing]

19 minutes ago, uncletiger said:

I think not enough people understand exactly how much House Speaker Johnson firing Mike Turner from the House Intelligence Committee actually contributed to this ceasefire agreement.  Mike Turner is an old school RINO Republican who was deeply loved by the Washington establishment. The Democrats were more upset by his firing than any Republican. But why?

 

Apparently, Turner was trying to "stack the deck" on the Whitehouse Security Council. As Chair of the House Intelligence Committee, he had a lot of power to determine who was allowed to be on this council, and he was only going to allow in deep state loyalists. This would have effectively put him, and by extension the deep state establishment, in charge of how the US responded to the wars in Ukraine and Israel, rather than Trump. And this would have made it very difficult for Trump to enact his policies to force Israel to the bargaining table.

 

Firing Turner not only sent Washington DC in to panic mode, but also forced everyone to accept Trump's cease fire deal. Beyond this, it removed the establishment's key ally in protecting the CIA and other intelligence services from Trump's restructuring plan. This is very likely why we have suddenly seen a large number of resignations in the past few days, as the reality of what just happened has set in within Washington circles. The Hamas-Israel ceasefire deal is just the first win that is going to come by Trump draining the Swamp. Swamp creatures on both sides of the political spectrum are starting to panic right now.

 

Whether or not you believe Israel actually controls the deep state in the US, Mike Turner's firing is a big deal with huge implications, because at the very least he was very pro Israel. And almost nobody is talking about it. It was the key event in making this cease fire possible.

The actual reason democrats are so upset by that firing is it that it signals Mr. Trump intends to throw Ukraine under the bus. 

[uncletiger]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

The actual reason democrats are so upset by that firing is it that it signals Mr. Trump intends to throw Ukraine under the bus. 

 

That's just a bonus.  However you look at it, it's all good.

[Nick Carter icp]

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

The actual reason democrats are so upset by that firing is it that it signals Mr. Trump intends to throw Ukraine under the bus. 

 

  Going right off topic

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, uncletiger said:

 

That's just a bonus.  However you look at it, it's all good.

Vladimir thanks you.

[SiSePuede419]

Many on the right want more death and destruction?

They're called "Terrorists".

You're welcome.

 

 

[wombat]

I don't know why peeps are getting their panty in a wad.

Historically Hamas will break the agreement as soon as they regroup, rearm, re-tunnel ....the photos of them celebrating had a mob of blokes well armed calling it a Muslim success.

My bet says it'll be back on for young and old shortly.

I could be wrong but I don't think so.

[Hawaiian]

On 1/18/2025 at 12:29 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

 

I guess next you will tell us that on 6th October Israelis and Palestinians lived peaceful together with equal rights and all that.

Yeah, sure, and then suddenly those bad Palestinians had this idea to kill Israelis out of the blue and without any provocation... 

The motive can be found in the constitution of Hamas.

[Yellowtail]

13 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The actual reason democrats are so upset by that firing is it that it signals Mr. Trump intends to throw Ukraine under the bus. 

Why did Democrats not get upset what Biden through Ukraine under the bus? 

[Hanaguma]

14 hours ago, Hummin said:

As long people manage to keep family safe, they have work, and no other countries can offer anything better, what would you have done? 

 

So many simple human mechanism you are not willing to take in over yourself, and should ask yourself if you where palestinian, what would you had done? 

 

 

That is a good question. Not sure exactly what I would do. But what I would NOT do is decide to invade my neighbour's farm, murder his parents, rape his daughter, and dance in the streets afterwards as if I were some kind of hero. 

[Hawaiian]

4 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

That is a good question. Not sure exactly what I would do. But what I would NOT do is decide to invade my neighbour's farm, murder his parents, rape his daughter, and dance in the streets afterwards as if I were some kind of hero. 

Good answer.  Gazans forget," You reap what you sow."  Committing such atrocities and not expecting any retaliation?  Not so with Israel. 

[Hummin]

7 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

That is a good question. Not sure exactly what I would do. But what I would NOT do is decide to invade my neighbour's farm, murder his parents, rape his daughter, and dance in the streets afterwards as if I were some kind of hero. 

We all know and can aknownledge the sickness of people who do such things. It is not question about the raw facts, this was an horrible terror action. What we should discuss, is the power to revenge this terror action, by creating more terrorists! You cant kill them all. 

 

God knows how many times it have been done, for them go back to their caves, tunnels and hiding for next come back bigger and stronger. 

 

All the children growing up in that area, will remember this to they die, same as everyone before them. 

 

The hate is a grufulle heritage of hate and mental damage on both sides. 

[Bkk Brian]

16 minutes ago, Hummin said:

We all know and can aknownledge the sickness of people who do such things. It is not question about the raw facts, this was an horrible terror action. What we should discuss, is the power to revenge this terror action, by creating more terrorists! You cant kill them all. 

 

God knows how many times it have been done, for them go back to their caves, tunnels and hiding for next come back bigger and stronger. 

 

All the children growing up in that area, will remember this to they die, same as everyone before them. 

 

The hate is a grufulle heritage of hate and mental damage on both sides. 

That does not address the actions of the terrorists that need to be eliminated now to prevent them doing it again as they have promised to do. They are the ones saying they want to wipe out Israel. 

[Hawaiian]

33 minutes ago, Hummin said:

We all know and can aknownledge the sickness of people who do such things. It is not question about the raw facts, this was an horrible terror action. What we should discuss, is the power to revenge this terror action, by creating more terrorists! You cant kill them all. 

 

God knows how many times it have been done, for them go back to their caves, tunnels and hiding for next come back bigger and stronger. 

 

All the children growing up in that area, will remember this to they die, same as everyone before them. 

 

The hate is a grufulle heritage of hate and mental damage on both sides. 

It is more than a question of revenge.  It is about destroying an enemy.  What would have happened if the Allies had not defeated the Axis powers?  Today, they are part of the free world with democratic governments. 

 

[Hummin]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That does not address the actions of the terrorists that need to be eliminated now to prevent them doing it again as they have promised to do. They are the ones saying they want to wipe out Israel. 

Are you never getting tired of repeating the same over and over, day after day? 

 

It doesnt change what I think of Israel, and me thinking you are biased, and cant or want to see the whole picture. 

 

Your hate is no different

[Hummin]

1 minute ago, Hawaiian said:

It is more than a question of revenge.  It is about destroying an enemy.  What would have happened if the Allies had not defeated the Axis powers?  Today, they are allies of the free world with democratic governments. 

 

I would like to think, that was a different time, same as any other war post ww2, especially the indochina war where primitive methods was used, and how many civilians was killed during the war, and post war

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Hummin said:

Are you never getting tired of repeating the same over and over, day after day? 

 

It doesnt change what I think of Israel, and me thinking you are biased, and cant or want to see the whole picture. 

 

Your hate is no different

I never tire of facts. I tire of terrorists. I couldn't care less what you think of Israel, I never asked that and yes I see the big picture but I do not sit above in the ivory tower and dictate something that's not possible when dealing with barbarians as you are. For now there is a ceasefire and Hamas are still promising to wipe out Israel. Deal with reality.

[simple1]

16 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    And seem to have mass support of the Population .

Gazians could easily over throw  Hamas if they wanted to  

 

Really? Hamas fighters are still very much present in Gaza.

[Hawaiian]

15 minutes ago, Hummin said:

I would like to think, that was a different time, same as any other war post ww2, especially the indochina war where primitive methods was used, and how many civilians was killed during the war, and post war

Every conflict the U.S. got involved in after WWII was fought with so many restrictions that they became lessons in futility.  Yes, it definitely was a different time.  That is why applying the same kind of restrictions on Israel will end with same kind of results.  Let Israel finish the job and the Middle East will be a better place for everyone except the terrorists.

[Hawaiian]

8 minutes ago, simple1 said:

 

Really? Hamas fighters are still very much present in Gaza.

Agree.  While the anti-Hamas sentiment may be growing, it will be a long, long time before Hamas is overthrown.  Let Israel finish the job.

[simple1]

16 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    The Hamas leadership have all been killed .

17 000 Hamas members have been killed . 

Much of Gaza has been reduced to rubble .

Hezbollah have been wiped out .

Assads Syria have fallen .

Iran have had their air defence system destroyed and their bomb making factories in Syria destroyed .

Houthis have been bombed and their infrastructure destroyed .

Buuuuuut , Congratulations to Hamas for winning the war 🙂

 

Hamas leadership have not all been killed; those killed are replaced. Many who have knowledge of Hamas say their fighters who have been killed are being replaced. Have to wait and see how peace unfolds in Gaza and the West Bank, quite possible will kick off again, though hopefully not. Hezbollah have not been wiped out.

[Hummin]

21 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I never tire of facts. I tire of terrorists. I couldn't care less what you think of Israel, I never asked that and yes I see the big picture but I do not sit above in the ivory tower and dictate something that's not possible when dealing with barbarians as you are. For now there is a ceasefire and Hamas are still promising to wipe out Israel. Deal with reality.

Selective BS

 

And to be true, to more people defent either sides, and take part, the more I know this is a lost case. 

 

Both parts have done sick war crimes against each other. And you know, 7. October wasnt the start of this conflict. 

 

Thats part of the world politics, select the one least evil in their mind, amd continue as the god given rights they choose to have to continue this barbaric never ending eye for an eye revenge. 

 

Those who profiting never risks anything

 

 

[Hawaiian]

17 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    And seem to have mass support of the Population .

Gazians could easily over throw  Hamas if they wanted to  

Who has mass support of the population?  Very conflicting post, or am I missing something.

[Hummin]

4 minutes ago, Hawaiian said:

Every conflict the U.S. got involved in after WWII was fought with so many restrictions that they became lessons in futility.  Yes, it definitely was a different time.  That is why applying the same kind of restrictions on Israel will end with same kind of results.  Let Israel finish the job and the Middle East will be a better place for everyone except the terrorists.

You call war crimes usage of napalm and agent orange   in indochina war restrictions? Bombing villages, killing civilians? Genocide?

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/01/opinion/did-america-commit-war-crimes-in-vietnam.html

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, Hummin said:

Selective BS

 

And to be true, to more people defent either sides, and take part, the more I know this is a lost case. 

 

Both parts have done sick war crimes against each other. And you know, 7. October wasnt the start of this conflict. 

 

Thats part of the world politics, select the one least evil in their mind, amd continue as the god given rights they choose to have to continue this barbaric never ending eye for an eye revenge. 

 

Those who profiting never risks anything

 

 

Selective BS

 

Then you expect me to respond....... Try again, something that actually corresponds to the facts I posted.

 

35 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

I never tire of facts. I tire of terrorists. I couldn't care less what you think of Israel, I never asked that and yes I see the big picture but I do not sit above in the ivory tower and dictate something that's not possible when dealing with barbarians as you are. For now there is a ceasefire and Hamas are still promising to wipe out Israel. Deal with reality.