Hamas Is Effectively Back in Control in Gaza With no alternative following a cease-fire with

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After Israeli troops stood down when a cease-fire came into effect in the Gaza Strip, Hamas began sending thousands of its forces onto the streets to establish control.
The deployment—envisioned by the agreement that pauses the fighting while the combatants exchange hostages for prisoners—highlights how the U.S.-designated terrorist group remains the dominant power in the territory. Israel hasn’t been able to destroy the group or empower an alternative...
The open show of force after months of being pushed underground was a signal that aid groups and governments will need to cooperate with Hamas as reconstruction efforts get under way in the coming weeks—an outcome Israel has hoped to prevent.

https://archive.ph/BNaHZ#selection-2747.0-2767.242

 

Strange. So, Israel hasn't won that war?

[Bkk Brian]

22 minutes ago, placeholder said:

After Israeli troops stood down when a cease-fire came into effect in the Gaza Strip, Hamas began sending thousands of its forces onto the streets to establish control.
The deployment—envisioned by the agreement that pauses the fighting while the combatants exchange hostages for prisoners—highlights how the U.S.-designated terrorist group remains the dominant power in the territory. Israel hasn’t been able to destroy the group or empower an alternative...
The open show of force after months of being pushed underground was a signal that aid groups and governments will need to cooperate with Hamas as reconstruction efforts get under way in the coming weeks—an outcome Israel has hoped to prevent.

https://archive.ph/BNaHZ#selection-2747.0-2767.242

 

Strange. So, Israel hasn't won that war?

Who claimed Israel had won the war? There are still over 90 hostages being held by Hamas! 

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30 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Who claimed Israel had won the war? There are still over 90 hostages being held by Hamas! 

Ask some of your fellow travelers on aseannow.com.

[Bkk Brian]

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Ask some of your fellow travelers on aseannow.com.

Which ones? Never read any making that claim. Have you? 

 

 

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32 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Who claimed Israel had won the war? There are still over 90 hostages being held by Hamas! 

Well, there is the IDF.

IDF assesses Hamas defeated militarily in all of Gaza, is now a guerrilla terror group

The Israel Defense Forces assessed on Friday that Hamas has been largely defeated militarily in the entire Gaza Strip, and it is now effectively a guerrilla terror group that will take some more time to dismantle.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-assesses-hamas-defeated-military-in-all-of-gaza-is-now-a-guerrilla-terror-group/

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Which ones? Never read any making that claim. Have you? 

Yes I have. But we're not supposed to name names. Maybe that person will be conspicuous by their silence.

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, placeholder said:

Well, there is the IDF.

IDF assesses Hamas defeated militarily in all of Gaza, is now a guerrilla terror group

The Israel Defense Forces assessed on Friday that Hamas has been largely defeated militarily in the entire Gaza Strip, and it is now effectively a guerrilla terror group that will take some more time to dismantle.

https://www.timesofisrael.com/idf-assesses-hamas-defeated-military-in-all-of-gaza-is-now-a-guerrilla-terror-group/

 

 

That seems quite accurate, but that is not claiming they won the war, Hamas are still holding over 90 hostages. So to answer your question, that's a big fat no

 

41 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Strange. So, Israel hasn't won that war?

 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Yes I have. But we're not supposed to name names. Maybe that person will be conspicuous by their silence.

Really, that's a convenient get out, a link to the post is all that's needed so it can be checked.

[connda]

In my humble opinion, the "ceasefire" may last two week and then Israel will be dropping bombs of the last remaining structures that still exist in Gaza.  Then the "war" takes on a distinct "Stalingrad during WWII" flavor as Hamas fights the IDF from the rubble.

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20 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

That seems quite accurate, but that is not claiming they won the war, Hamas are still holding over 90 hostages. So to answer your question, that's a big fat no

 

 

That's you not claiming that they won the war.

According to IDF, Hamas has been reduced to just being a terrorist group. Apparently, it's just a terrorist group with a police force that the UN and other aid groups is relying on to get supplies to the Gazans. That's what most people would call governance.

[Hanaguma]

All those suspiciously new looking uniforms on the brave 'fighters' of Hamas show the bankrupcy of their position. If they had fought while in uniform, Gaza would have been spared needless destruction. In any case, the majority of experienced Hamas terrorists have been brought to room temperature. The ones so bravely showing themselves on the streets are the wannabes and never weres. If they choose to step into battle they will be slaughtered.

 

As for the results, I would say Israel is on top. Hamas is broken. Hezbollah decapitated. The Houthis bombed into oblivion. Assad in Syria is out. Iran humbled and wrecked. All in all, a good result. 

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1 minute ago, Hanaguma said:

All those suspiciously new looking uniforms on the brave 'fighters' of Hamas show the bankrupcy of their position. If they had fought while in uniform, Gaza would have been spared needless destruction. In any case, the majority of experienced Hamas terrorists have been brought to room temperature. The ones so bravely showing themselves on the streets are the wannabes and never weres. If they choose to step into battle they will be slaughtered.

 

As for the results, I would say Israel is on top. Hamas is broken. Hezbollah decapitated. The Houthis bombed into oblivion. Assad in Syria is out. Iran humbled and wrecked. All in all, a good result. 

If only the opponents of better equipped armed forces would play fair and not adopt tactics that exploited their strengths and their enemies' weaknesses. That's just plain bad sportsmanship!

[Bkk Brian]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

That's you not claiming that they won the war.

According to IDF, Hamas has been reduced to just being a terrorist group. Apparently, it's just a terrorist group with a police force that the UN and other aid groups is relying on to get supplies to the Gazans. That's what most people would call governance.

Who claimed they had won the war?

[Hawaiian]

38 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Really, that's a convenient get out, a link to the post is all that's needed so it can be checked.

Twice I have reported broken links to AN administration to no avail.  So posting links is a craps shoot.

Some work but most don't.

[Hawaiian]

25 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

 

 

As for the results, I would say Israel is on top. Hamas is broken. Hezbollah decapitated. The Houthis bombed into oblivion. Assad in Syria is out. Iran humbled and wrecked. All in all, a good result. 

I have made several posts stating basically the same thing, except the Houthis in Yemen are presently still a minor threat.   The ragtag army that is Hamas today can still  cause a lot of headaches and need to be reckoned with.  Yes, the war is not won and Israel needs to finish the job.  The sooner the better.

[Hawaiian]

27 minutes ago, placeholder said:

If only the opponents of better equipped armed forces would play fair and not adopt tactics that exploited their strengths and their enemies' weaknesses. That's just plain bad sportsmanship!

War is hell and not a game.

[Hawaiian]

46 minutes ago, Hanaguma said:

All those suspiciously new looking uniforms on the brave 'fighters' of Hamas show the bankrupcy of their position. If they had fought while in uniform, Gaza would have been spared needless destruction. In any case, the majority of experienced Hamas terrorists have been brought to room temperature. The ones so bravely showing themselves on the streets are the wannabes and never weres. If they choose to step into battle they will be slaughtered.

 

As for the results, I would say Israel is on top. Hamas is broken. Hezbollah decapitated. The Houthis bombed into oblivion. Assad in Syria is out. Iran humbled and wrecked. All in all, a good result. 

The Houthis have just announced that because of the ceasefire they will only be attacking Israeli ships in the Red Sea.  I think they are running out of steam and are now only capable of token attacks. 

[Nick Carter icp]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

Yes I have. But we're not supposed to name names. Maybe that person will be conspicuous by their silence.

 

   You could go back and  refresh their quote by replying to it ?

Or just repose that quote here 

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, placeholder said:

After Israeli troops stood down when a cease-fire came into effect in the Gaza Strip, Hamas began sending thousands of its forces onto the streets to establish control.

 

   So Hamas have come out of hiding and are showing themselves ?

That will be beneficial to Israel if the ceasefire gets broken .

If Hamas break the ceasefire by sending any rockets into Israel , then the war will continue immediately  .

   Israel have stopped the Hamas rockets from being fired into Israel .

One rocket from Gaza into Israel and the war will continue 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

On 1/21/2025 at 1:01 PM, placeholder said:

After Israeli troops stood down when a cease-fire came into effect in the Gaza Strip, Hamas began sending thousands of its forces onto the streets to establish control.

 

   What did Hamas win or gain from the War ?

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10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   What did Hamas win or gain from the War ?

Why the past tense? Is the war over?

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Why the past tense? Is the war over?

 

   Can you rewrite the question in the correct tense and then answer it , as you know very well what I mean .

   Errrmmm : What has Hamas gained from the war ?

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22 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Can you rewrite the question in the correct tense and then answer it , as you know very well what I mean .

   Errrmmm : What has Hamas gained from the war ?

what's interesting to me is how you keep on committing self-revealing gaffes. First with bigoted comments about the Palestinians and now about your belief that the War is over.

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, placeholder said:

what's interesting to me is how you keep on committing self-revealing gaffes. First with bigoted comments about the Palestinians and now about your belief that the War is over.

 

   Anway , what has Hamas gained from the war ?

As you wont answer, then I will .

Hamas has gained absolutely nothing from the war and they've lost nearly everything 

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2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Anway , what has Hamas gained from the war ?

As you wont answer, then I will .

Hamas has gained absolutely nothing from the war and they've lost nearly everything 

Nothing so far. But what has Israel gained? So far it has no realistic plan for Gaza. It has tried in vain to recruit other countries to police the territory. It's armed forces are exhausted and will continue to be tormented by an ongoing guerilla war. Is Israel better off than it was before Oct 7?

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4 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Nothing so far. But what has Israel gained? So far it has no realistic plan for Gaza. It has tried in vain to recruit other countries to police the territory. It's armed forces are exhausted and will continue to be tormented by an ongoing guerilla war. Is Israel better off than it was before Oct 7?

Actually, what Hamas has gained is to make Israel enjoy considerably less favor even among nations that once strongly supported it.

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Nothing so far. But what has Israel gained? So far it has no realistic plan for Gaza. It has tried in vain to recruit other countries to police the territory. It's armed forces are exhausted and will continue to be tormented by an ongoing guerilla war. Is Israel better off than it was before Oct 7?

 

   The rockets have stopped being fired from Gaza and Hezbollah , most of the Hamas leadership have been killed as well as half their army .

   One rocket from Hamas into Israel and the ceasefire will end and the bombing of Gaza will continue , just one rocket and those new 2000 lb bombs from the USA will be on their way to gaza .

   Israelis can now live in peace 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, placeholder said:

Actually, what Hamas has gained is to make Israel enjoy considerably less favor even among nations that once strongly supported it.

 

   Which Countries are those ?

[short-Timer]

On 1/21/2025 at 2:07 PM, Hanaguma said:

All those suspiciously new looking uniforms on the brave 'fighters' of Hamas show the bankrupcy of their position. If they had fought while in uniform, Gaza would have been spared needless destruction. In any case, the majority of experienced Hamas terrorists have been brought to room temperature. The ones so bravely showing themselves on the streets are the wannabes and never weres. If they choose to step into battle they will be slaughtered.

 

As for the results, I would say Israel is on top. Hamas is broken. Hezbollah decapitated. The Houthis bombed into oblivion. Assad in Syria is out. Iran humbled and wrecked. All in all, a good result. 

 

The problem is, they keep coming back. Bibi may boast about his actions in removing the terrorist there in Lebanon, Gaza, Iran, Syria, Yemen, and how he’s reshaped the Middle East, but I’m not as optimistic. Perhaps all he’s really done is trigger a cabinet reshuffle among his enemies. The reality is, the only way to prevent future threats is to keep dropping bombs whenever necessary. Peace isn’t an option.

 

Presumably, every terrorist leader killed in the last year has already been replaced. So, what’s actually changed? Maybe they have fewer weapons for now, but that’s only temporary, they’ll eventually restock unless the strikes continue.

 

What other option is there when dealing with radical Islamists whose sole aim is to destroy Israel? There’s no chance of reprogramming them. They don’t understand peace. To them, it’s merely a pause in hostilities during these next 6 weeks to reorganize and come back stronger with the same murderous intent.

 

At least Israel understands the dichotomy. The other side consists of maniacs driven by incomprehensible hatred. It’s baffling that there are people in this world willing to dedicate their lives to living in squalor, hiding in caves or tunnels, just to try and kill citizens of a Jewish state that they’ve never even met. What do they gain from that? Does that bring them happiness and prosperity?

 

It’s hard for us to grasp how such barbaric minds operate. They aren’t humane. They cannot be reasoned with. The only viable solution is to continue destroying them, there’s simply no other way to deal with them.

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The War Is Shifting Europe’s Politics Away From Israel

In Europe, long a vital source of support for Israel, the political center of gravity is moving away from Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s government.

Spain, Ireland and Norway on Wednesday recognized Palestinian statehood, despite vehement Israeli and American opposition. And most European governments offered unequivocal support to the International Criminal Court this week, after it requested arrest warrants for Israel’s prime minister and defense minister, along with leaders of Hamas.

https://archive.ph/j8fjT#selection-823.0-827.341