Undercover International police

[spidermike007]

4 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

How are they intruding on the lives of innocent Americans? They find , and stop terrorists. Isn't this what they're supposed to do, protecting others from extremists who kill innocents? What exactly are these agencies? The waste of billions is building a wall that stops very little from entering, and making more weapons than we'll ever need.

You are expressing such profound naivety it's hard to know where to even begin to such a reply as yours. Either you were kidding, you're not American, or you just have not bothered to look into this situation at all on ANY level, EVER. 

 

The US government, with assistance from major telecommunications carriers including AT&T, has engaged in massive, illegal dragnet surveillance of the domestic communications and communications records of millions of ordinary Americans since at least 2001. Since this was first reported on by the press and discovered by the public in late 2005, EFF has been at the forefront of the effort to stop it and bring government surveillance programs back within the law and the Constitution.

 

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying

 

What stops the CIA from poring through the data looking for Americans’ information? Let’s be honest: nothing. The CIA’s internal rules from 2017 say the information sought must be “related to a duly authorized activity of the CIA,” as determined by. . . the CIA. The FBI has similar rules limiting its searches of data obtained under FISA Section 702. Year after year, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court finds that FBI agents have violated these rules—and that’s when there’s a court actually watching them.

 

The CIA’s rules also say that CIA officers should document their purpose in running searches for Americans’ information. But according to staff members of the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, these rules, despite having been finalized five years ago and released with great fanfare, have not yet been “implemented.”

 

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/how-cia-acting-outside-law-spy-americans

 

I could go on all day but your statement about the wall demonstrates the fact that this is just not a subject that you're inclined to research, and that you've been watching far too many podcasts. 

[fredwiggy]

42 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

You are expressing such profound naivety it's hard to know where to even begin to such a reply as yours. Either you were kidding, you're not American, or you just have not bothered to look into this situation at all on ANY level, EVER. 

 

The US government, with assistance from major telecommunications carriers including AT&T, has engaged in massive, illegal dragnet surveillance of the domestic communications and communications records of millions of ordinary Americans since at least 2001. Since this was first reported on by the press and discovered by the public in late 2005, EFF has been at the forefront of the effort to stop it and bring government surveillance programs back within the law and the Constitution.

 

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying

 

What stops the CIA from poring through the data looking for Americans’ information? Let’s be honest: nothing. The CIA’s internal rules from 2017 say the information sought must be “related to a duly authorized activity of the CIA,” as determined by. . . the CIA. The FBI has similar rules limiting its searches of data obtained under FISA Section 702. Year after year, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court finds that FBI agents have violated these rules—and that’s when there’s a court actually watching them.

 

The CIA’s rules also say that CIA officers should document their purpose in running searches for Americans’ information. But according to staff members of the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, these rules, despite having been finalized five years ago and released with great fanfare, have not yet been “implemented.”

 

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/how-cia-acting-outside-law-spy-americans

 

I could go on all day but your statement about the wall demonstrates the fact that this is just not a subject that you're inclined to research, and that you've been watching far too many podcasts. 

I'm as far from naive as you are from actually knowing what goes on in the US. If you think I don't know what has been going on in the US since Kennedy was in office, it's you that's the naive one. I lived in Texas 32 years , and saw firsthand what goes on with immigrants, in person, and with the stories of many immigration officers I knew, who I sold guns to. I hunted in south Texas for years, and saw them coming in, daily, and knew many Hispanics that had family that were transients, going back and forth,and these officers did also. Do you actually think I'm not aware of the governments hidden agenda? Your theories are part conspiracy, and that's naive also. They can look into anyone's records anytime they want, and have for many years. Part of this is to protect citizens, and part is intrusion for whatever reasons they can come up with. My reply is such that they are needed to stop terrorism, any way they see fit. Would you rather they stop this activity and let 911 continue to happen in the US? I don't watch podcasts but listen to everything I can on what makes America happen, that which I'm interested in, or what's needed to protect others. If you think the wall was necessary, it's you that needs to research what makes Trump tick, because I knew decades ago. Some people believe everything they read, as I see in your case. And if you think I trust the government you're wrong. I know what they do, and are capable of doing, and much of it is invasive for no reason. Some of it is to get information on terrorism within it's borders, and this can make them go too far.A necessary part evil? maybe, but they're needed.

[TheFishman1]

Yeah I’m sure the cops working undercover we’re gonna go and tell everybody they’re on undercover cops gosh it must be a boring news day here T

[theblether]

10 hours ago, phetphet said:

I think they can come here to work along Thai Police to arrest international fugitives if they have information on where they might be.

 

I recall  a case in Samui not too long ago where someone on the run from the UK was hiding out on Koh Matsum, a small one hotel island off  the south west of Samui. His family all flew out to Samui to holiday with him. The UK and Thai police just followed the family from Samui Airport to Matsum and arrested the guy.

 

You'll find that the UK police boarded the original flight from the UK and when they knew the final destination they will have notified the Thai authorities. 

 

They often track in this way and don't always arrest, they want to see who suspects are meeting and match up evidence with local police.

[theblether]

2 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Out of their jurisdiction.  They would need to set up a joint task force.  They can be present at the raid / arrest, but it has to be done by Thai police. 

 

If the crime happened in Thailand, they are charged and brought before a court in Thailand.  If the crime happened in Australia, they are extradited and charged and brought before a court in Australia.

 

Not always true. Yes,  Thai police will conduct the original arrest. They don't always go to court in Thailand, criminals are often deported under the supervision of their home country law enforcement and prosecuted in their home countries for crimes committed in Thailand. 

 

There was a high profile case of that sort that resulted in the conviction in a Scottish court last year. 

[KhunHeineken]

1 hour ago, spidermike007 said:

You are expressing such profound naivety it's hard to know where to even begin to such a reply as yours. Either you were kidding, you're not American, or you just have not bothered to look into this situation at all on ANY level, EVER. 

 

The US government, with assistance from major telecommunications carriers including AT&T, has engaged in massive, illegal dragnet surveillance of the domestic communications and communications records of millions of ordinary Americans since at least 2001. Since this was first reported on by the press and discovered by the public in late 2005, EFF has been at the forefront of the effort to stop it and bring government surveillance programs back within the law and the Constitution.

 

https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying

 

What stops the CIA from poring through the data looking for Americans’ information? Let’s be honest: nothing. The CIA’s internal rules from 2017 say the information sought must be “related to a duly authorized activity of the CIA,” as determined by. . . the CIA. The FBI has similar rules limiting its searches of data obtained under FISA Section 702. Year after year, the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court finds that FBI agents have violated these rules—and that’s when there’s a court actually watching them.

 

The CIA’s rules also say that CIA officers should document their purpose in running searches for Americans’ information. But according to staff members of the Privacy and Civil Liberties Oversight Board, these rules, despite having been finalized five years ago and released with great fanfare, have not yet been “implemented.”

 

https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/analysis-opinion/how-cia-acting-outside-law-spy-americans

 

I could go on all day but your statement about the wall demonstrates the fact that this is just not a subject that you're inclined to research, and that you've been watching far too many podcasts. 

This guys explains it pretty well, and he should know, because he helped build the infrastructure for mass surveillance.     

 

 

[PomPolo]

 @georgegeorgia dude I wouldn't be so worried about it - fits in with a thread the other day I started wondering why there is so many SAS in the country.

I very much doubt undercover foreign police are allowed to follow anyone around without the inclusion of the RTP as they would not allow it, I am not saying if you get arrested by RTP and it is for something extremely serious there may be an envoy from a home country observing according to some news stories.  I don't have personal experience of it myself but I think that is how it operates.

I have never heard of any incident myself where a foreign law body was allowed to arrest someone on Thai soil as it would break sovereignty, deportation and extradition are extremely possible under very serious circumstances I would imagine but also I have only ever heard of that being initiated by the Thai authorities.
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[KhunHeineken]

11 minutes ago, theblether said:

Not always true.

Wrong.

 

11 minutes ago, theblether said:

Yes,  Thai police will conduct the original arrest.

Correct.

 

12 minutes ago, theblether said:

They don't always go to court in Thailand, criminals are often deported under the supervision of their home country law enforcement and prosecuted in their home countries for crimes committed in Thailand. 

Wrong.

 

Deportation is for breaches of immigration.  Eg.  overstaying. 

 

Extradition is when another country requests, via international warrant, Interpol, the arrest and extradition of an individual to a country where they have committed a crime.  

 

Ever heard of cases where individuals has fought against extradition?  Guess what, it happens in a court.  There is a formal process.

 

There are some cases where pedo's have evidence on their phone / computer etc of crimes committed in another country. 

 

Reasonably new laws in my country, Australia, allows them to be charged for the crime they committed in another country, in Australia.  Obviously, because the evidence is so overwhelming.  Eg. they filmed themselves having sex with a child.

 

Here's one case. 

 

  https://www.cdpp.gov.au/news/paedophile-jailed-crimes-australia-and-southeast-asia

 

17 minutes ago, theblether said:

There was a high profile case of that sort that resulted in the conviction in a Scottish court last year. 

Link please.  I'll check it out. 

[PomPolo]

I spoke to my AI friend for this as I don't speak that intelligently but pretty much what I said in the last post 🙂
 

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In general, foreign law enforcement agencies do not have the legal authority to arrest individuals, including non-Thai nationals, within Thailand. Arrests in Thailand must be conducted by Thai authorities or under Thai law. However, there are a few exceptions or scenarios where cooperation between foreign and Thai law enforcement might lead to a person's apprehension:

1. Extradition Requests: If a non-Thai national is wanted for a crime in another country, that country can request Thailand to arrest and extradite the person. In such cases, Thai authorities will carry out the arrest after due legal process, and the individual will be brought before a Thai court to decide on the extradition.

2. International Operations: In some rare cases, foreign law enforcement agencies may work in close cooperation with Thai authorities, such as in joint operations against drug trafficking or human trafficking. However, any arrests in these operations must still be carried out by Thai police or officials.

3. Diplomatic Agreements: Thailand may have agreements with certain countries that facilitate law enforcement cooperation. Even so, these agreements do not grant foreign agents direct authority to arrest individuals on Thai soil.

In summary, only Thai authorities have the legal jurisdiction to make arrests in Thailand. Foreign law enforcement may assist or request action, but they cannot directly arrest someone without Thai government involvement. 😊

 

 

[PomPolo]

 

[PomPolo]

I have met a few guys who told me they worked for MFI or was it Screwfix? My memory evades me 🙂

[ElwoodP]

Flame removed.

Please keep your posts polite and civil.

[Will B Good]

I had/have a 'friend', who by the age of 25 had been in the SAS, SBS and, without knowing a word of Chinese, worked undercover for the Hong Kong police.

 

He is now 20st and sits on the same barstool every night in our village.......telling anyone who will listen about his "adventures".

[PomPolo]

19 minutes ago, ElwoodP said:

Flame removed.

Please keep your posts polite and civil.

Good luck moderator with everyone polite and civil 🙂 I have been contemplating a new invention to patent and hope nobody steals my idea.  It already exists on cars I believe a breathaliser before you can start your car, I have been contemplating developing a similar device for a computer.

[richard_smith237]

11 minutes ago, PomPolo said:

Good luck moderator with everyone polite and civil 🙂 I have been contemplating a new invention to patent and hope nobody steals my idea.  It already exists on cars I believe a breathaliser before you can start your car, I have been contemplating developing a similar device for a computer.

 

It already exists.... 

 

Its called logging in as MalcomB, Gottfrid, bokningar, BobSmith (barboy) etc etc...   its enough to now something daft an irrational is about to follow... Just like a drunk driver swerving around causing wrecks...  

 

 

 

[PomPolo]

4 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said:

 

It already exists.... 

 

Its called logging in as MalcomB, Gottfrid, bokningar, BobSmith (barboy) etc etc...   its enough to now something daft an irrational is about to follow... Just like a drunk driver swerving around causing wrecks...  

 

 

 

🤣 The forums would be boring though if everyone was WOKE 🙂

[Pattaya57]

No wonder Pattaya is so busy right now, seems place is packed with undercover cops and feds 😀

[georgegeorgia]

14 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said:

No wonder Pattaya is so busy right now, seems placed is packed with undercover cops and feds 😀

And Australian bikies ??

Is there a big presence ?

Or they in Phuket ? 

[tjintx]

On 1/23/2025 at 3:13 PM, Pattaya57 said:

I once sat next to a guy in a Pattaya bar that told me he was an undercover cop from Aus that had been here 9 months.

 

No reason not to believe him except maybe the fact undercover cops might know not to tell random strangers they're an undercover cop 😀

 

Sorry, that were me.   I was a bit angry that morning as the bar didn't have four X to go with me brekkie, nor Marmite for me toast, nor Tim Tims for post-brekkie.

 

Oh, and you're no longer on our radar.

[georgegeorgia]

2 minutes ago, tjintx said:

nor Marmite for me toast,

Try Vegemite 

The Marmite is disgusting and I don't wish to get off topic but I used to love strawberry jam on toast with plenty of butter

[theblether]

5 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Wrong.

 

Correct.

 

Wrong.

 

Deportation is for breaches of immigration.  Eg.  overstaying. 

 

Extradition is when another country requests, via international warrant, Interpol, the arrest and extradition of an individual to a country where they have committed a crime.  

 

Ever heard of cases where individuals has fought against extradition?  Guess what, it happens in a court.  There is a formal process.

 

There are some cases where pedo's have evidence on their phone / computer etc of crimes committed in another country. 

 

Reasonably new laws in my country, Australia, allows them to be charged for the crime they committed in another country, in Australia.  Obviously, because the evidence is so overwhelming.  Eg. they filmed themselves having sex with a child.

 

Here's one case. 

 

  https://www.cdpp.gov.au/news/paedophile-jailed-crimes-australia-and-southeast-asia

 

Link please.  I'll check it out. 

 

Google Ian Heddle. Convicted in Scotland for abusing a child in Thailand without seeing the inside of a Thai court. In his case he was caught while attempting to return to Thailand. 

 

There is an agreement in place, has been for decades, to remove people from Thailand to home country courts. The program was launched by the FBI, backed by Thai police, as both were aware that arrested individuals were buying their way out of potential convictions. 

 

Untold numbers of men have been prosecuted in their home country for CSA perpetrated in Thailand without ever seeing the inside of a Thai court, and that includes many deportees literally frog marched onto aircraft and handcuffed to foreign police when boarded. 

 

I can name a Canadian who was deported from India to face prosecution at home for the same thing. Handcuffed to a LSE all the way to Canada. 

 

CSA is in a different category from other crimes. Western authorities have made it clear they will prosecute for these crimes perpetrated overseas and do it routinely. 

 

The part you are clearly unaware of is that Thailand will hand over suspects without prosecuting them in Thailand. 

 

If you have a problem with that, I suggest you make yourself known to your Embassy staff and lodge a complaint. They will be very interested in you. Very interested. 

 

While you are at it, contact Bangkok Anti-Trafficking Persons division. They'll be delighted to make your acquaintance. 

 

Or maybe just be quiet as you don't understand the decades old struggle for Thailand to avoid being labeled non-cooperative by the US in particular on matters such as trafficking and CSA. 

 

 

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[phetphet]

12 hours ago, KhunHeineken said:

Wrong.

 

Correct.

 

Wrong.

 

Deportation is for breaches of immigration.  Eg.  overstaying. 

 

Extradition is when another country requests, via international warrant, Interpol, the arrest and extradition of an individual to a country where they have committed a crime.  

 

Ever heard of cases where individuals has fought against extradition?  Guess what, it happens in a court.  There is a formal process.

 

There are some cases where pedo's have evidence on their phone / computer etc of crimes committed in another country. 

 

Reasonably new laws in my country, Australia, allows them to be charged for the crime they committed in another country, in Australia.  Obviously, because the evidence is so overwhelming.  Eg. they filmed themselves having sex with a child.

 

Here's one case. 

 

  https://www.cdpp.gov.au/news/paedophile-jailed-crimes-australia-and-southeast-asia

 

Link please.  I'll check it out. 

As requested. Below is the link to the case I posted yesterday, but if you look two posts down from my original post, you will see that I stated I was wrong about the UK police being involved in the actual arrest.

 

[simon43]

13 hours ago, PomPolo said:

I have met a few guys who told me they worked for MFI or was it Screwfix? My memory evades me 🙂

In my youth I did actually work for MFI 🙂  My 'weapon' was a large box of 6 inch mails and a hammer, because as an employee of MFI I had been warned that it was impossible to construct a strong piece of furniture from these flat-packs without resorting to use of 6-inch nails to hold it all together....

 

BTW, 'MFI' stands for 'Manufacturers' Foreign Imports' 🙂

[nutosf]

I worked briefly for a bounty hunter a few years back. If someone jumps bail and if the court wants to pay for a Marshall to pick him, a bounty hunter will them. The guy I worked for found guys in Philippines and New Zealand. He collected 300k and 200k.

[theblether]

2 hours ago, nutosf said:

I worked briefly for a bounty hunter a few years back. If someone jumps bail and if the court wants to pay for a Marshall to pick him, a bounty hunter will them. The guy I worked for found guys in Philippines and New Zealand. He collected 300k and 200k.

 

We routinely see Thai police enact overseas warrants. They are always present at arrests. And are often accompanied by Western police. 

 

The part in this that people fail to understand is that Thai police will react to a domestic complaint and:

 

1. Will arrest the foreign national with no involvement from Western police in any way, shape or form.

 

2. Will then inform the Embassy of the arrest. 

 

So far so good? Here's the part that the majority don't know:

 

3. Will then hand over the suspect to Western authorities for prosecution without a trial in Thailand. 

 

Anyone arguing with that does not know what they are talking about. 

 

And as I already mentioned. The USA has psychologists in place to assist the children involved. They also offer family support. 

 

The USA set the Gold Standard for dealing with overseas CSA. 

 

Guys like Fred Blanford FAFO'd. There are untold numbers of men who have crossed the paths of US authorities in Thailand and found out. 

 

Rapid deportation into Western courts is the preferred route. The Thais can't be bothered with cases such as the infamous 90 year old German-Australian who died in Chiang Mai prison awaiting trial for CSA. 

 

Who remembers that case? 

 

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2014-05-02/elderly-australian-accused-of-sex-abuse-dies-in-thailand/5427894

[georgegeorgia]

3 hours ago, nutosf said:

I worked briefly for a bounty hunter a few years back. If someone jumps bail and if the court wants to pay for a Marshall to pick him, a bounty hunter will them. The guy I worked for found guys in Philippines and New Zealand. He collected 300k and 200k.

Wow ! 

You serious ?

I wouldn't mind becoming one of these !!!

I wonder how I could do it ,it sounds exciting 

[Pattaya57]

4 minutes ago, georgegeorgia said:

Wow ! 

You serious ?

I wouldn't mind becoming one of these !!!

I wonder how I could do it ,it sounds exciting 

You riding the Manila night train as a 62 year old tough guy should come in handy. Put that on your bounty hunter resume 😉

[georgegeorgia]

5 minutes ago, Pattaya57 said:

You riding the Manila night train as a 62 year old tough guy should come in handy. Put that on your bounty hunter resume 😉

 yes thankyou Pattaya57 

I also broke my normal glasses whilst in the Philippines so had to wear my prescription dark sunglasses 😎 so really looked like Clint Eastwood on the train in Manila 

I would love to start a new career as a bounty Hunter 

 

[KhunHeineken]

7 hours ago, phetphet said:

As requested. Below is the link to the case I posted yesterday, but if you look two posts down from my original post, you will see that I stated I was wrong about the UK police being involved in the actual arrest.

 

I'll give you a very, very simplistic example.

 

Say someone murders someone in the UK and they know there is no way getting off it.  Maybe they got into a fight at their local pub and stabbed to death someone, in full view of many people who knew him. 

 

He races home, packs a bag, grabs his passport, and heads straight to the airport and flies to Thailand / Phuket. 

 

The UK police investigate the case and identify him soon after as being the murderer. 

 

Investigators discover, through immigration records, he has left the country.  Bank statements, air tickets, and telephone sim card data reveal he is in Thailand. 

 

The UK police arrange for an arrest warrant via Interpol and inform Thai police he may be in Thailand. 

 

The Thai police check their TM30's, but also may have some intel from the UK police that he has hit an ATM in Kata Beach Phuket a few times.  They will also see he is receiving calls from friends and family in the UK and those calls are going to Phuket Thailand.  

 

The Thai police see a TM30 for him at a hotel in Kata Beach Phuket.  The Thai police send in some undercover to sit off the hotel to make sure it's him. 

 

Satisfied it's him, they can raid his hotel room at 4am, or arrest him in a restaurant / bar, or while sun baking on the beach.

 

He'll be held in custody awaiting extradition.  The extradition will be granted.  The UK police will send one or two officers over to escort him back to the UK where he will face trail for murder.  

 

The above is a very simple example, but the UK police do not send undercover officers to Phuket / Thailand to arrest him.  

[KhunHeineken]

14 hours ago, theblether said:

 

Google Ian Heddle. Convicted in Scotland for abusing a child in Thailand without seeing the inside of a Thai court. In his case he was caught while attempting to return to Thailand. 

 

There is an agreement in place, has been for decades, to remove people from Thailand to home country courts. The program was launched by the FBI, backed by Thai police, as both were aware that arrested individuals were buying their way out of potential convictions. 

 

Untold numbers of men have been prosecuted in their home country for CSA perpetrated in Thailand without ever seeing the inside of a Thai court, and that includes many deportees literally frog marched onto aircraft and handcuffed to foreign police when boarded. 

 

I can name a Canadian who was deported from India to face prosecution at home for the same thing. Handcuffed to a LSE all the way to Canada. 

 

CSA is in a different category from other crimes. Western authorities have made it clear they will prosecute for these crimes perpetrated overseas and do it routinely. 

 

The part you are clearly unaware of is that Thailand will hand over suspects without prosecuting them in Thailand. 

 

If you have a problem with that, I suggest you make yourself known to your Embassy staff and lodge a complaint. They will be very interested in you. Very interested. 

 

While you are at it, contact Bangkok Anti-Trafficking Persons division. They'll be delighted to make your acquaintance. 

 

Or maybe just be quiet as you don't understand the decades old struggle for Thailand to avoid being labeled non-cooperative by the US in particular on matters such as trafficking and CSA. 

 

 

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The part you are clearly unaware of is there has to be a brief of evidence in existence, for which an arrest warrant is issued. 

 

I have just posted an simplistic example of a UK male being arrested in Thailand for a murder he committed in the UK. 

 

The UK don't sent police to Thailand to do the arrest. 

 

I did mention pedo's being arrested in their home country for crimes they have committed in other countries.  The Philippines is a popular choice for pedo's.  

 

New laws allow for the trial and conviction of an individual in their home country for sex crimes committed against children in another country.  Think about that for a moment.  The crime was not even committed in the country for which they were arrested, charged, brought before a court, convicted and sentenced.  Like I said, the evidence has to be overwhelming, such as a video of him committing the sex act with a child.

 

Jurisdiction dictates who can make the arrest.  It's not uncommon in big cases for a home country to send out the officer in charge of the case to brief local police before local police make the arrest.  The officer in charge can also be the escorting officer after extradition.   

 

If it's federal charges that have been broke, the federal police in the local embassy can be briefed, and they then liaise with a local police task force.  This happens a lot with large drug importations.  Customs of both countries are also involved. 

 

There was a famous case involving Australians in Bali.  It's been in the media again recently.  Two criminals were executed.  The criminals were dubbed "The Bali 9."  Police were made aware the group were going to be smuggling drugs, they informed the police in Indonesia / Bali, and they were arrested in Bali, by Indonesian police.  Australian Federal Police did not fly to Bali to do surveillance, and make the arrest.  

 

It was a somewhat a controversial case because the Australian Federal Police could have kept the intel to themselves, and arrested the group in Australia where there is no death penalty, and prison conditions were not as harsh, but they handed over the intel. 

 

This whole thing about police from various countries actively investigating in other countries all around the world is laughable.