2 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Putting aside that remarkable claim, do you think the rightwing Muslim/Islam hysteria aids or discourages British Muslims integrating to wider society?

 

 

 

 

Very good point.

 

Whilst at university in Warwick, you came across many international students, many different cultures. I was good friends with many Sikh friends, and some muslim guys born in the UK. They all liked to come out, even go to bars - they were brilliant set of lads and girls. 

 

However, over time i noticed when we went out i'd pick up comments from ignorant fools out there towards my mates that were not white. Usually grumpy older white men. Eg, we go into a bar, and some white guy shouts 'who orderered an indian takeaway'. Or an ignorant bouncer telling my mate he couldn't come into a bar with a hat on (it was a turban and a part of his identity). Then there was the standard racist slurs you'd here. 

 

At first we would laugh of these comments, but I noticed slowly they were beginning to have an effect on those that were not white, my Sikh and muslim friends. Slowly as terms passed these people tended to stick to their own community, stopped intergrating as much - and felt more secure amongst their own community - primarily as a result of the hate, racism, xenophobia out there. I could not blame them to be honest. 

 

The hate and venom from a certain section of the British people towards people of colour - with the classic media driven line  "they don't intergrate" is just an excuse. At heart it's just racism, and anything to put them down. 

 

Tolerance and love is a lovely thing. You will get idiots from all religions, colour and sex - doesn't mean you can castigate a whole sect of people that way. Not every celebrity is a Jimmy Saville, not every priest abuses, not every nurse is a Lucy Letby, not every muslim is a terrorist, not everyone on benefits is a lazy scrounger, not every school kid in America is going to bring a gun into school, not every male visiting Thailand is a sex tourist etc 

 

But as i say, i sit in Pattaya often talking to ignorant racist white British guys - totally brainwashed by the media. They speak no Thai, drunk sex tourists, pontificating about how bad immigrants in the UK are. No amount of facts or reasoning with them makes any difference. I tend to put it down these people are angry and unhappy with themselves and want to blame 'them' - "it's because of them my life is empty". Reality is, it's just not true.

 

 

2 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

 

Very good point.

 

Whilst at university in Warwick, you came across many international students, many different cultures. I was good friends with many Sikh friends, and some muslim guys born in the UK. They all liked to come out, even go to bars - they were brilliant set of lads and girls. 

 

However, over time i noticed when we went out i'd pick up comments from ignorant fools out there towards my mates were not white. Usually grumpy older white men. Eg, we go into a bar, and some white guy shouts 'who orderered an indian takeaway'. Or an ignorant bouncer telling my mate he couldn't come into a bar with a hat on (it was a turban and a part of his identity).

 

At first we would laugh of these comments, but I noticed slowly they were beginning to have an effect on those that were not white. Slowly as terms passed these people tended to stick to their own community, stopped intergrating as much - and felt more secure amongst their own community - primarily as a result of the hate, racism, xenophobia out there. I could not blame them to be honest. 

 

The hate and venom from a certain section of the British people towards people of colour - with the classic media driven line  "they don't intergrate" is just an excuse. At heart it's just racism, and anything to put them down. 

 

But as i say, i sit in Pattaya often talking to ignorant racist white British guys - totally brainwashed by the media. They speak no Thai, drunk sex tourists, pontificating about how bad immigrants in the UK are. No amount of facts or reasoning with them makes any difference. I tend to put it down these people are angry and unhappy with themselves and want to blame 'them'. 

 

 

“The hate and venom from a certain section of the British people towards people of colour - with the classic media driven line  "they don't intergrate" is just an excuse. At heart it's just racism, and anything to put them down. ”

 

I’ll give you another personal observation.

 

I’ve never met anyone who is successful and happy with their own life who rants about Muslims, immigrants, homeless folk, the poor, the obese, women or transgender people.

Not a single one. Never.

 

Moreover, find anyone who rants against any one of these groups and you’ll find they rant against the others too.

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“The hate and venom from a certain section of the British people towards people of colour - with the classic media driven line  "they don't intergrate" is just an excuse. At heart it's just racism, and anything to put them down. ”

 

I’ll give you another personal observation.

 

I’ve never met anyone who is successful and happy with their own life who rants about Muslims, immigrants, homeless folk, the poor, the obese, women or transgender people.

Not a single one. Never.

 

Moreover, find anyone who rants against any one of these groups and you’ll find they rant against the others too.

 

 

 

Maybe you've never had a friend who was a relative or friend to one of the thousands of girls who was raped by the Muslim grooming gangs then, let alone know any of the victims eh. 

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Maybe you've never had a friend who was a relative or friend to one of the thousands of girls who was raped by the Muslim grooming gangs then, let alone know any of the victims eh. 

 

In the UK - statistically, rape is 85% committed by white males under the age of 30. Where is your sympathy for those women, or anger to those perpetrators? Why is your anger only at muslims? I tell you why .... you are being brainwashed by the media to touch those racist hot spots, distraction to blame those people and not the real issues in life. 

 

You are aware this Rochdale grooming case, as awful as it was, was some 15 years ago? Most of those people were tried and sentenced. 

3 minutes ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

In the UK rapes are committed by 85% of white males under the age of 30. Where is your sympathy for those women, or anger to those perpetrators? Why is your anger only at muslims?

 

You are aware this Rochdale grooming case, as awful as it was, was some 15 years ago? Most of those people were tried and sentenced. 

This is not about those nor was my post, it was a response to Chomps personal observation. The Grooming gangs are operating to this day by the way and not just in Rochdale, you need to catch up on the situation and multiple topics on them

 

The Silenced Truth: How Political Correctness Delayed Justice for Grooming Victims

Britons Overwhelmingly Support a New Grooming Gang Inquiry

 Ethnicity of Grooming Gangs, Says Whistleblower’s Aide

Grooming Networks Persist in Oxford, Warns Former Investigator

Convicted Rochdale Grooming Gang Leader Still in the Town & not Deported

Starmer Condemns 'Lies and Misinformation' Over Child Sexual Abuse

UK Ex-MP Claims Grooming Gang Ethnicity Was Suppressed to Protect Votes

Elon Musk Advocates for Tommy Robinson’s Release Amid Criticism of UK Leadership

Kemi Badenoch Urges National Inquiry into UK Grooming Scandal

 

 

1 minute ago, DonniePeverley said:

 

In the UK rapes are committed by 85% of white males under the age of 30. Where is your sympathy for those women, or anger to those perpetrators? Why is your anger only at muslims?

 

You are aware this Rochdale grooming case, as awful as it was, was some 15 years ago? Most of those people were tried and sentenced. 

And guess who I blame?!

 

The individuals who committed these heinous crimes.

 

Guess who I don’t blame?!

 

The millions of innocent people within the communities those heinous criminals come from.

It’s that simple.

 

 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

And guess who I blame?!

 

The individuals who committed these heinous crimes.

 

Guess who I don’t blame?!

 

The millions of innocent people within the communities those heinous criminals come from.

It’s that simple.

That's a no then, you've not met any

All going according to plan then. God forbid should they implement natalist policies so the natives start having children again!

 

Population Division
Department of Economic and Social Affairs

United Nations Secretariat

 

Replacement Migration

 

https://www.un.org/development/desa/pd/sites/www.un.org.development.desa.pd/files/unpd-egm_200010_un_2001_replacementmigration.pdf

15 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

“The hate and venom from a certain section of the British people towards people of colour - with the classic media driven line  "they don't intergrate" is just an excuse. At heart it's just racism, and anything to put them down. ”

 

I’ll give you another personal observation.

 

I’ve never met anyone who is successful and happy with their own life who rants about Muslims, immigrants, homeless folk, the poor, the obese, women or transgender people.

Not a single one. Never.

 

Moreover, find anyone who rants against any one of these groups and you’ll find they rant against the others too.

 

 

 

I’m sticking with this.

 

I’ve yet to see any evidence to the contrary.

 

All that hatred, it comes from within.

 

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

I’m sticking with this.

 

I’ve yet to see any evidence to the contrary.

 

All that hatred, it comes from within.

 

Of course you are, your stuck to it with glue and blind to anything else

Up to one in 12 people living in London is an illegal migrant, according to report

 

https://www.standard.co.uk/news/london/illegal-migrants-uk-london-report-thames-water-b1206559.html

1;in 12 are illgal

I baiting troll post with personal attack has been removed @Neeranam along with a further off topic baiting post. Any more and expect some more time off to read the rules

 

Topic:

 

UK Population Set to Surge to 72.5 Million by 2032, Driven by Migration

9 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

1;in 12 are illgal

Rubbish. Out of context reporting from the muckspreading Telegraph, yet again. 

18 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Maybe you've never had a friend who was a relative or friend to one of the thousands of girls who was raped by the Muslim grooming gangs then, let alone know any of the victims eh. 

I am friends with a lady who was abused terribly by a white British citizen. I don't hate all white men. I do hate rapists and abusers.

2 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

I am friends with a lady who was abused terribly by a white British citizen. I don't hate all white men. I do hate rapists and abusers.

How is that relevant to Muslim grooming gangs targeting female white children as a clear example of their lack of integration into the UK?

Just now, Bkk Brian said:

How is that relevant to Muslim grooming gangs targeting female white children as a clear example of their lack of integration into the UK?

Your apparent hatred for Muslims based on the actions of said grooming gangs.

 

Yet you appear void of disdain for white rapists and abusers based on your reply to my comment.

 

 

3 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Your apparent hatred for Muslims based on the actions of said grooming gangs.

 

Yet you appear void of disdain for white rapists and abusers based on your reply to my comment.

 

 

Yes I hate the Muslims grooming gangs who carried out those thousands and thousands of rapes of white girls and are still doing it to this day.

 

This topic is not about white rapists. Why would I need to give an opinion on them just for you?

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

This topic is not about white rapists. Why would I need to give an opinion on them just for you?

You don't.

 

By the way, this topic is not about Muslim grooming gangs.

2 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

You don't.

 

By the way, this topic is not about Muslim grooming gangs.

Exactly I don't and you should read the off topic post I was responding to and address them first

39 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Exactly I don't and you should read the off topic post I was responding to and address them first

Not at all. I answered your off topic post. 

Just now, youreavinalaff said:

Not at all. I answered your off topic post. 

With another off topic post, well done, so it goes on......... 

22 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Maybe you've never had a friend who was a relative or friend to one of the thousands of girls who was raped by the Muslim grooming gangs then, let alone know any of the victims eh. 

Just like the existence of the mafia in the USA is proof that Italian Americans didn't integratek into American society.

Just now, placeholder said:

Just like the existence of the mafia in the USA is proof that Italian Americans didn't integratek into American society.

You could open a topic on that to discuss if you want

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

You could open a topic on that to discuss if you want

Let me put it in plain terms for you. How is the existence of grooming gangs proof that all or most Muslims haven't integrated into UK society? You've got some statistical evidence to offer?

Just now, placeholder said:

Let me put it in plain terms for you. How is the existence of grooming gangs proof that all or most Muslims haven't integrated into UK society? You've got some statistical evidence to offer?

I'll put it in even plainer terms for you, show me where I made that claim.