Updates and events in the War in Ukraine 2025

[Mavideol]

the master of the lies and BS got played, to salvage his loss of face he will claim that he was being sarcastic when he said he would end the war, what a puppet on Putin's hand, the ruskoff  pays Trump as he wants and (in case orange man didn't notice yet) he doesn't want peace

 

Putin Suddenly Gives Trump the Middle Finger on Ukraine Peace Talks

https://www.yahoo.com/news/putin-suddenly-gives-trump-middle-180815175.html

 

[Mavideol]

17 hours ago, stevenl said:

He will not sign because he can't afford peace.

agree and looking back a couple weeks ago when Zelensky visited the Trump at the WH, he reminded/told the truth  to the "jokers" Vance and Trump that Putin was/is not interested  in peace, I guess is not good to tell the truth to these 2 morons as they kick him out of the WH

[black tabby12345]

On 1/31/2025 at 10:18 AM, stevenl said:

money return would be in fast depreciating rubles.

 

to the benefit of the world(other than China, N/Korea).

[sharot724]

14 hours ago, zmisha said:

If they also give you the article number that would be very interesting reading for the Z guys.

There are many times more special police units to keep Russian citizens under control than there ever were soldiers fighting Ukraine. It's how dictators work.

[johng]

NYT  article admits  it was all a proxy war after all and Ukraine lost because they didn't follow orders.

 

The Partnership: The Secret History of the War in Ukraine

This is the untold story of America’s hidden role in Ukrainian military operations against Russia’s invading armies.

 

A non paywall copy

https://web.archive.org/web/20250331072002/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/29/world/europe/us-ukraine-military-war-wiesbaden.html

[sharot724]

20 minutes ago, johng said:

NYT  article admits  it was all a proxy war after all and Ukraine lost because they didn't follow orders.

 

The Partnership: The Secret History of the War in Ukraine

This is the untold story of America’s hidden role in Ukrainian military operations against Russia’s invading armies.

 

A non paywall copy

https://web.archive.org/web/20250331072002/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/29/world/europe/us-ukraine-military-war-wiesbaden.html

lost is what i would reply to you as it fits after reading the artical

[rabas]

5 hours ago, johng said:

NYT  article admits  it was all a proxy war after all and Ukraine lost because they didn't follow orders.

 

The Partnership: The Secret History of the War in Ukraine

This is the untold story of America’s hidden role in Ukrainian military operations against Russia’s invading armies.

 

A non paywall copy

https://web.archive.org/web/20250331072002/https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2025/03/29/world/europe/us-ukraine-military-war-wiesbaden.html

 

First, the NYT can't 'admit' anything. This is a reporter weaving a tale worthy of a soap opera, ' Mr. Austin is a solid and stoic block of a man, but as he returned the compliments, his voice caught. “Instead of saying farewell, let me say thank you,” he said, blinking back tears. '   Allegedly 'behind closed doors'.

 

So it's hard to see your claims.  Maybe substantiate them with some analysis? 

 

BTW, Ukraine has not lost yet. On the world stage, Putin is probably the real champion loser.

[stevenl]

28 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

First, the NYT can't 'admit' anything. This is a reporter weaving a tale worthy of a soap opera, ' Mr. Austin is a solid and stoic block of a man, but as he returned the compliments, his voice caught. “Instead of saying farewell, let me say thank you,” he said, blinking back tears. '   Allegedly 'behind closed doors'.

 

So it's hard to see your claims.  Maybe substantiate them with some analysis? 

 

BTW, Ukraine has not lost yet. On the world stage, Putin is probably the real champion loser.

To some it's all a bit deep state global conspiracy with the media covering.

[Mavideol]

finally Putin told it as it is, not interested in any type of peace, the master of the deal become the master of the lost deals. Zelensky told him and his cronies that Russians can't be trusted, previous signed agreements by them were never respected, the nuclear deal just come to me, the Minsk deal and so many other never went to completion because Russia broke/didn't respect them, the only way this guy Putin can be controlled it's by kicking his axxxx, send Ukraine more weapons, preferable the right ones, long range missiles, planes and Ukrainians will take care of the jerk dictator, don't find excuses to create unnecessary delays, send the stuff ASAP

Russia rejects Trump's peace plan

https://www.msn.com/en-xl/news/other/russia-rejects-trump-s-peace-plan/ar-AA1C8ZlY?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=LCTS&cvid=03aa0cca090945d3fde78ddc5e4a95cd&ei=77

[Mavideol]

but the orange man still wants to receive them and didn't include them on the new tariffs list, WHY  did KRasnov did that ??

Ukraine-Russia war latest: Trump exempts Russia from tariffs amid visit by Putin’s top negotiator

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/ukraine-russia-war-map-live-putin-trump-exemption-peace-talks-b2726495.html

[Mavideol]

the funny thing is that the orange man has been blowing up hot air pretending that Putin was willing to negotiate, however he and his cronies knew more than a month ago (look at the date) that Putin had no interest whatsoever in stopping the atrocities in Ukraine, why orange man keeps lying ??  I know, I know it's on his DNA

As U.S. and Putin negotiate, intel shows he's not interested 'in a real peace deal,' sources say

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-putin-negotiate-intel-shows-s-not-interested-real-peace-deal-source-rcna192524

Putin says ‘yes’ to ceasefire – but lays down impossible terms for Ukraine

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-ceasefire-ukraine-russia-war-b2714691.html

 

[zmisha]

7 hours ago, Mavideol said:

the funny thing is that the orange man has been blowing up hot air pretending that Putin was willing to negotiate, however he and his cronies knew more than a month ago (look at the date) that Putin had no interest whatsoever in stopping the atrocities in Ukraine, why orange man keeps lying ??  I know, I know it's on his DNA

As U.S. and Putin negotiate, intel shows he's not interested 'in a real peace deal,' sources say

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-putin-negotiate-intel-shows-s-not-interested-real-peace-deal-source-rcna192524

Putin says ‘yes’ to ceasefire – but lays down impossible terms for Ukraine

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-ceasefire-ukraine-russia-war-b2714691.html

 

From Russia it looks a little different. Previously, America simply ignored what Russia thought. Then Putin showed off his impressive nuclear balls last September by changing the nuclear doctrine and the Americans suddenly pulled Trump out of a box with his desire to negotiate.
So now when Russia doesn't like Trump's proposals, Putin just goes to scratch his nuclear balls demonstratively. That's why Vladimir recently went to inspect his nuclear submarines.

[rabas]

3 hours ago, zmisha said:

From Russia it looks a little different. Previously, America simply ignored what Russia thought. Then Putin showed off his impressive nuclear balls last September by changing the nuclear doctrine and the Americans suddenly pulled Trump out of a box with his desire to negotiate.
So now when Russia doesn't like Trump's proposals, Putin just goes to scratch his nuclear balls demonstratively. That's why Vladimir recently went to inspect his nuclear submarines.

 

Z guys may want to cool Z-Putin nukem propaganda. Putin's aging groin is lacking. Here's the max submarine missile balance, the ones you can't see coming (not that S300-S400s would work.)

 

• U.S. Alone: 4,648 warheads (4,032 SSBN + 616 SSGN).
• NATO Total: 6,056 warheads (U.S. + UK + France).
• Russia (Z): 2,240 warheads

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/3/2025 at 1:09 AM, rabas said:

BTW, Ukraine has not lost yet. On the world stage, Putin is probably the real champion loser.

Keep dreaming as that is all Zelensky has left.

 

Do you really believe Putin cares what people in enemy countries think? LOL.

[thaibeachlovers]

5 hours ago, rabas said:

 

Z guys may want to cool Z-Putin nukem propaganda. Putin's aging groin is lacking. Here's the max submarine missile balance, the ones you can't see coming (not that S300-S400s would work.)

 

 

• U.S. Alone: 4,648 warheads (4,032 SSBN + 616 SSGN).
• NATO Total: 6,056 warheads (U.S. + UK + France).
• Russia (Z): 2,240 warheads

 

All that means is that the US can destroy Russia more times over than Russia can kill the US. Enough to kill everyone you know and love.

 

BTW, in a real nuclear war, it's not just Russian nukes contaminating the planet as you have to add all the opposition's nukes as well.

 

Your sarcasm isn't going to save you.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/3/2025 at 1:39 AM, stevenl said:

To some it's all a bit deep state global conspiracy with the media covering.

More like a bunch of incompetent numpties in charge. I'm constantly boggled at how stupid so many world leaders are in public.

Just one reason I've given up on the human race surviving till the next century.

[sharot724]

U.S. sends military signal to Russia with discreet jet landings in Poland

https://essanews.com/u-s-sends-military-signal-to-russia-with-discreet-jet-landings-in-poland,7142097011701889a

 

President has found them balls?

[problemfarang]

going back to fight on wednesday

this time im feeling little bit.. tired.. and dont want to leave my cats anymore.. but.. have a country to save.. 

[MicroB]

20 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Keep dreaming as that is all Zelensky has left.

 

Do you really believe Putin cares what people in enemy countries think? LOL.

 

Judging from his woe-is-me speeches, apparently he does. He believes Russia still wields a global big stick, but in reality, his crumbling feudal empire is increasingly in hock to China who has already seized Russian territory without a murmur from Moscow (Bolshoi Ussuriysky Island).

 

In December 1944, for the Western Allies, things didn't look all that rosey. In September 1944, the British suffered a significant defeat and loss of elite troops ar Arnhem. In Belgium, the American Army was on the verge of collapse, with the German army, apparently with superior equipment, powering towards Antwerp. If Antwerp fell, if all likelihood, the Western campaigh would have been over, with US forces stuggling to resupply. The Blitz on London had restarted, with the RAF having little power to do anything against V1 and V2 weapons. Worrying intelligence would have been reaching the Allies about Heisenberg's A-bomb work. Defeat is hard to gauge until it actually happens. Stalin at one point was on the verge of losing Moscow and being strung up from the nearest lamp post.  In the Pacific, by summer 1945, the US was utterly exhausted, and suffering unsustainable losses of carriers to Kamikaze attacks (hence relived by the British armoured carriers). History tells us the tide of the war turned, but at the time, to those involved, on both sides, things were less certain. 

 

Russia doesn't have much left in the reserve. China is focussed on its own territorial disputes and destiny. Chechenya is now threatening a 3rd Chechen War, with Kaydriv reaching out to the Saudis for a possible bolt hole, and putting his 17 year old son, Adam, in charge of internal security. We don't hear much about Iran's IRGC anymore, following the collapse of Hezbollah. US Generals have reported that Ukraine has fixed its manning issues. Over half of Ukraine's ammunition comes from the EU/Putin's , and Czechia has received fresh funding for more shells. The US is not running out of weapons, and arguably, has hardly started.

 

Putin's stated objectives were:

 

1. Protect the Russian people. Even a limited incursion into the Russian hinterland demonstrates he has not protected the Russian people. Its worsened.

2. "Denazify Ukraine"; most assume he means change the government in Kyiv. he has not achieved that, and Zelensky's position looks reasonably secure, with little evidence of dissent among the Ukrainian general staff.

3. Demililiterize Ukraine, ie reduce Ukraine's offensive capacity. The Ukrainian miitary is now the biggest in Europe. It is substantially better equipped than it was from just a few years ago, and it well on its way to transitioning to Western combined arms.

4. Putin has also not achieved territorial objectives, having lost most of Kherson, and failing to take Odessa and Kharkiv. Russias control of the Donbass is tenuous, and only possible through massive military reinforcement, to the extent the Russian military has had to denude other frontiers, including those with disputed borders (Russian-Finland). The War has lead to Russia being unable to defend its overseas strategic assets, such as losing its vital Mediterranean Naval base in Syria. Damascus was winning the civil war until suddenly, it wasn't.

 

Russia is certainly not winning. But wars aren't like a football game

[thaibeachlovers]

5 minutes ago, MicroB said:

In December 1944, for the Western Allies, things didn't look all that rosey. In September 1944, the British suffered a significant defeat and loss of elite troops ar Arnhem. In Belgium, the American Army was on the verge of collapse, with the German army, apparently with superior equipment, powering towards Antwerp. If Antwerp fell, if all likelihood, the Western campaigh would have been over, with US forces stuggling to resupply. The Blitz on London had restarted, with the RAF having little power to do anything against V1 and V2 weapons. Worrying intelligence would have been reaching the Allies about Heisenberg's A-bomb work. Defeat is hard to gauge until it actually happens. Stalin at one point was on the verge of losing Moscow and being strung up from the nearest lamp post.  In the Pacific, by summer 1945, the US was utterly exhausted, and suffering unsustainable losses of carriers to Kamikaze attacks (hence relived by the British armoured carriers). History tells us the tide of the war turned, but at the time, to those involved, on both sides, things were less certain. 

No disagreement that wars are won and lost by sheer luck, and the determined will usually win if prepared to sacrifice enough citizens.

However, if it comes down to sheer slaughter Putin is the man for that.

 

 

US Generals have reported that Ukraine has fixed its manning issues.

Are they saying that the Ukrainians are now volunteering by the thousands and that Phuket will shortly have no Unkrainians left? I suspect they mean the press gangs are doing a better job at forcing the unwilling into the front lines.

Fighting to the last man is a habit of US generals. Patton won his battles but reportedly his cannon fodder were not fans. Look at the death toll of marines against Japan.

 

suffering unsustainable losses of carriers to Kamikaze attacks (hence relived by the British armoured carriers).

Do tell!

In my history book the tide was turned against the Kamikaze by a change of tactics, though it is true that the US had a strange habit of sending wooden decked carriers into battle, which was not a wise decision. Not the only wrong decision made either.

[Rimmer]

Troll post from the usual suspect has been removed also replies

[MicroB]

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No disagreement that wars are won and lost by sheer luck, and the determined will usually win if prepared to sacrifice enough citizens.

However, if it comes down to sheer slaughter Putin is the man for that.

 

 

US Generals have reported that Ukraine has fixed its manning issues.

Are they saying that the Ukrainians are now volunteering by the thousands and that Phuket will shortly have no Unkrainians left? I suspect they mean the press gangs are doing a better job at forcing the unwilling into the front lines.

Fighting to the last man is a habit of US generals. Patton won his battles but reportedly his cannon fodder were not fans. Look at the death toll of marines against Japan.

 

suffering unsustainable losses of carriers to Kamikaze attacks (hence relived by the British armoured carriers).

Do tell!

In my history book the tide was turned against the Kamikaze by a change of tactics, though it is true that the US had a strange habit of sending wooden decked carriers into battle, which was not a wise decision. Not the only wrong decision made either.

 

 

 

1. Putin is drawing a line at slaughtering his own citizens; he hasn't the guts to send Muscovites into battle, preferring to take a chance with mutinous convicts, press-ganged Somali students and suspect DPRK troops.

 

2. Read statements put out by General Chris Cavoli regarding Kyiv's recruitment policies.

 

3. US carrier from before WW2 were wooden deck carriers for speed of manouevre. Your history books are defective. The single thing that turned the war was the A-Bomb. Until the 6 and 9th August, to the average marine, they didn't feel like they were winning. Operation Olympic was the planned invasion of the Japanese Home Islands, for November 1945. This involved the UK supplying 18 carriers (25% of strength) following release from Atlantic duties. The planning was tossed when it was determined that the Japanese had 4 times as many combat aircraft as originally envisaged, thanks to kamikaze tactics, and possessed a much larger standing army than envisaged. There were considerable untouched reserves in Malaya, Indonesia, Indo-China, Formosa and the Phillippines. Planning had assumed the Japanese could put up a resistance until 1947, with the Allies prepared for losses of over 800,000 men. Hoover went so far as to suggest 1 million dead Americans were needed to finish Japan. I wouldn't suggest without the A-Bomb, the end of the war would have been very different, with the US losing its stomach for a fight (memoranda suggested the US was facing domestic difficulties in sustaining the draft, and might not have been able to make the additional necessay mobilisations).

 

Obviously history makes it obvious to us when a war was lost, or won. Britain had won WW2 by surviving the Battle of Britain (without that, there would have been no US support). Japan had lost WW2 by losing at Midway etc. When my grandfather raised his hands at Singapore, he probably wasn't thinking that the Japanese had bitten off more than they could chew.

 

For all of Russia's powers that you are a fanboi of, they aren't doing all that well against an opposition that started off numerically inferior, ill equipped. The RuAF is nowhere to be seen (thats the biggest mystery; a Western operation would have ensured complete control of the airspace). The UkrAF now appears to be conducting high altitude bombing runs against Russian forward positions with near impunity (either they have run out of SAMs because they used them all up blowing up supermarkets, or the addition of new systems, such as the F16s from European allies, have contributed towards their neutralisation (the use of AARGM such as AGM-88s retrofitted to Soviet era aircraft, means SAM crews are now afraid to switch on their radars. Or the systems that are now jamming Russia's ace, the glide bomb). Or, that might not be the case.

[kwonitoy]

[kwonitoy]

 

wonder if vlad is angry at Krasnov?

[rabas]

On 4/4/2025 at 12:09 AM, rabas said:

Z guys may want to cool Z-Putin nukem propaganda. Putin's aging groin is lacking. Here's the max submarine missile balance, the ones you can't see coming (not that S300-S400s would work.)

 

Since S300 - S400 systems are no longer useful even against Ukraine tech¹⁾, Putin is firing these billion $ systems on masse at Ukraine civilians and children on the ground.  Desperate sick dude.

 

1) https://breakingdefense.com/2023/09/what-an-s-400-kill-and-a-spec-ops-raid-reveal-about-ukraines-ability-to-hit-russia/

 

[frank83628]

On 4/3/2025 at 1:01 PM, Mavideol said:

the funny thing is that the orange man has been blowing up hot air pretending that Putin was willing to negotiate, however he and his cronies knew more than a month ago (look at the date) that Putin had no interest whatsoever in stopping the atrocities in Ukraine, why orange man keeps lying ??  I know, I know it's on his DNA

As U.S. and Putin negotiate, intel shows he's not interested 'in a real peace deal,' sources say

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/national-security/us-putin-negotiate-intel-shows-s-not-interested-real-peace-deal-source-rcna192524

Putin says ‘yes’ to ceasefire – but lays down impossible terms for Ukraine

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/putin-ceasefire-ukraine-russia-war-b2714691.html

 

The  usual 'anonymous sources' again, so NOTHING an be verified, but NBC news and a host of legacy media can write a articles making claims that go against the negotiations taking place.

Why can these sources not put their names to their claims, so they can be verified by others and proven.

 

[MicroB]

8 hours ago, frank83628 said:

The  usual 'anonymous sources' again, so NOTHING an be verified, but NBC news and a host of legacy media can write a articles making claims that go against the negotiations taking place.

Why can these sources not put their names to their claims, so they can be verified by others and proven.

 

 

If they name their sources, your lot will murder them. Your side has form in that regard.

[sharot724]

heading vlad's way soon 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 4/5/2025 at 9:41 PM, MicroB said:

For all of Russia's powers that you are a fanboi of,

You have zero proof that I am a Putin supporter, but never mind the truth when you think you can score some sort of silly win over me. You come across as just another moaning ninny with nonsense insults.

 

I'd love to get into an historical debate with you, but it'll just get deleted for being off topic.

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, rabas said:

 

Since S300 - S400 systems are no longer useful even against Ukraine tech¹⁾, Putin is firing these billion $ systems on masse at Ukraine civilians and children on the ground.  Desperate sick dude.

 

1) https://breakingdefense.com/2023/09/what-an-s-400-kill-and-a-spec-ops-raid-reveal-about-ukraines-ability-to-hit-russia/

 

I have been saying that if Zelensky sends drones to destroy infrastructure in Russia they will not like the reply.

So whine away, by all means but as long as Zelensky keeps making futile attacks on Russia Putin will keep sending an unpleasant reply.