Popular Post Social Media Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 President Donald Trump recently suggested that Arab nations should accept large numbers of Gazans as refugees, a move he argued "could be temporary or long-term." His proposal, if implemented, would allow Israel to fully dismantle Hamas while enabling the international community to focus on rebuilding Gaza. This idea not only holds the potential to foster peace but is also fundamentally humane. While no Gazan should be forced to leave their home, they should have the opportunity to escape the cycle of suffering imposed upon them by regional politics and their own leadership. Furthermore, Israel could offer financial incentives to encourage relocation to safer areas. One of the prevailing narratives in the Israel-Palestine conflict is that Palestinians have an unbroken historical connection to the land. However, evidence suggests that many Arabs immigrated to British-controlled Palestine from Egypt, Syria, and Saudi Arabia in the late 19th and early 20th centuries, drawn by economic opportunities created by Jewish settlement. Gaza itself had a population of around 50,000 in 1947, before Arab nations rejected the UN partition plan. Following that rejection, Gaza fell under Egyptian control, and the territory was used as a base for militant incursions into Israel—a pattern that culminated in the October 7 attacks. Even today, many Gazans openly express their desire to return to Jaffa and other cities within Israel. Meanwhile, the United Nations continues to classify them as refugees, sustaining a system in which displacement is prolonged indefinitely. The UN’s approach raises important questions: If Gazans are considered refugees, why can’t they settle in other Arab nations? The UN maintains permanent refugee camps—many of which have evolved into bustling urban centers—while offering no permanent solutions. By contrast, more than two million Arab citizens live in Israel, fully integrated into the country’s political and economic life. However, Arab nations remain steadfast in their refusal to absorb Palestinian refugees. In response to Trump’s suggestion, Jordan’s foreign minister declared, "Our rejection of the displacement of Palestinians is firm and will not change. Jordan is for Jordanians, and Palestine is for Palestinians." But this statement also highlights an often-overlooked reality: Jordan itself is largely Palestinian. With a population that is more than 70% Palestinian, Jordan sits on land that was originally designated for an Arab state during the British Mandate—essentially fulfilling the vision of a two-state solution. Yet the world continues to ignore this fact, perpetuating the idea that an additional Palestinian state is an inevitability. The question remains: Why should only Western nations be expected to absorb people fleeing conflicts in the Middle East? When Muslim refugees arrive in Europe or the United States, it is often framed as a moral duty. Israel itself has long provided refuge for Jewish communities displaced from Asia, Africa, and Europe. Arab nations, too, should play a role in welcoming their own people, and Western powers should encourage them to do so. Henry Kissinger once observed that Donald Trump, whether intentionally or not, had a way of upending long-held political assumptions and forcing change. His statements on Gaza, though unconventional, challenge the idea that a Palestinian state is the only viable resolution to the conflict. The reality is that many stateless minorities around the world have equally strong or even stronger claims to nationhood. Reconsidering where Gazans might be best served in the long term—perhaps in regions with cultural and historical ties to their ancestors—could provide a more pragmatic solution. In that sense, Trump’s proposal deserves serious discussion rather than immediate dismissal. Based on a report by NYP 2025-02-04 2 6 1 2 7
Popular Post billd766 Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 Gaza does NOT belong to Trump or to the USA, nor even, though they don't believe it, does it belong to Israel. It belongs to the Palestinian people ONLY. They are the ones who should decide its fate, and no other country. Imagine if the native Americans decided that the USA belonged to them and to them only, and all the later immigrants must go back to their own countries. Do you think that Trump would give in to that? 3 12 1 2
Popular Post Will B Good Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 So let me get this straight....he is proposing mass immigration to neighbouring countries..........you couldn't write this stuff. 2 5 5 1 2
Popular Post bunnydrops Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 So, who would get the land? Trump or Israel. 1 2 1
Popular Post Will B Good Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 4 minutes ago, bunnydrops said: So, who would get the land? Trump or Israel. Maybe Musk could buy it? Might come in useful for storage of unwanted Tesslas. 1 7
Social Media Posted February 3 Author Posted February 3 A post making false claims and equivalence with an outdated link has been removed. 1
Popular Post LosLobo Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 Murdoch of the New York Post is once again offering Trump unwavering, unquestioning moral oral support. Trump’s latest proposal to deport Gazans is classic historical revisionism, repackaging ethnic cleansing as a “humane” solution. It twists forced displacement into voluntary relocation while distorting Palestinian ties to the land. The claim that Jordan should absorb them ignores their right to self-determination, just as the argument that many Palestinians “immigrated” there warps history. Equating Western refugee policies with Israel’s mass expulsion is pure misdirection. Trump’s record speaks for itself. His reckless U.S. embassy move to Jerusalem—most sacred to Arabs, Christians, and Jews—stoked tensions and likely fueled today’s war. His original Deal of the Century Middle East peace plan, favoring Israeli annexation over Palestinian rights, collapsed on arrival. Then his is Abraham Accords, which boasted of “peace” between nations never at war, further sidelined the Palestinian issue. Now, his call to deport Gazans follows the same pattern: prioritizing Israeli expansion over Palestinian rights to existence. Ethnic cleansing, no matter the spin, is indefensible. 2 6 1 2 2 1
Popular Post Jim Blue Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 Trump casino Gaza doesn't sound quite right to me ! 1 1 3
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 That's a reasonable punishment for the Palestinians for their crimes on Oct 7 th . For thr atrocities and crimes on Oct 7 th and for the previous numerous attacks going back 70 odd years , Their punishment would be to forfeit the land of Gaza and give it to the Israel, as punishment and compensation 1 2 3 1 2
Popular Post Will B Good Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 10 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: That's a reasonable punishment for the Palestinians for their crimes on Oct 7 th . For thr atrocities and crimes on Oct 7 th and for the previous numerous attacks going back 70 odd years , Their punishment would be to forfeit the land of Gaza and give it to the Israel, as punishment and compensation You see no distinction between Hamas and Palestinians.........? Were all Germans Nazis and should have been punished for the crimes of the Nazis? Are all Americans currently misogynistic, racists and should be treated as such? 5 1 5 3
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 2 minutes ago, Will B Good said: You see no distinction between Hamas and Palestinians.........? Were all Germans Nazis and should have been punished for the crimes of Nazis? Are Americans currently misogynistic, racists and should be treated as such? Is there a Palestinian resistance in Gaza , a group that oppose's Hamas ? Are their groups of Palestinians in the USA and Europe all marching and demonstrating against Hamas ? Nope and Nope again . Hamas has mass support from the Palestinian people 3 1 2
Popular Post Will B Good Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 12 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Is there a Palestinian resistance in Gaza , a group that oppose's Hamas ? Are their groups of Palestinians in the USA and Europe all marching and demonstrating against Hamas ? Nope and Nope again . Hamas has mass support from the Palestinian people Is there a Palestinian resistance in Gaza , a group that oppose's Hamas ?.....yes. Are their groups of Palestinians in the USA and Europe all marching and demonstrating against Hamas ?.........yes Hamas has mass support from the Palestinian people ...does it? 1 1 1 2 1
Nick Carter icp Posted February 3 Posted February 3 2 minutes ago, Will B Good said: Is there a Palestinian resistance in Gaza , a group that oppose's Hamas ?.....yes. Are their groups of Palestinians in the USA and Europe all marching and demonstrating against Hamas ?.........yes Hamas has mass support from the Palestinian people ...does it? Really. Where have their been marches in Europe and the USA where Palestinians have voiced their disapproval of Hamas ? 2
Popular Post Will B Good Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said: Really. Where have their been marches in Europe and the USA where Palestinians have voiced their disapproval of Hamas ? I'm not allowed to do that research and tell you as it doesn't involve me simply thinking about it......I would have to do research from valid sources to which many on here find quite objectionable. 1 1 2 1
Nick Carter icp Posted February 3 Posted February 3 Just now, Will B Good said: I'm not allowed to do that research and tell you as it doesn't involve me simply thinking about it......I would have to do research from valid sources to which many on here find quite objectionable. So you dont know of any marches in the USA or Europe of Palestinians protesting AGAINST Hamas . You claimed that there was, but there actual wasn't any . Aren't you supposed to be clever ? 1
Popular Post Will B Good Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 Just now, Nick Carter icp said: So you dont know of any marches in the USA or Europe of Palestinians protesting AGAINST Hamas . You claimed that there was, but there actual wasn't any . Aren't you supposed to be clever ? A am a janeius 3
Popular Post BangkokReady Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 If they dismantle Hamas and the international community rebuilds Gaza, how are the Israelis going to justify the apartheid moving forward? I don't think that Israel is going to allow any kind of permanent fix, unless it means the Palestinians are not allowed back. 3 1 1
Popular Post Nick Carter icp Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said: If they dismantle Hamas and the international community rebuilds Gaza, how are the Israelis going to justify the apartheid moving forward? I don't think that Israel is going to allow any kind of permanent fix, unless it means the Palestinians are not allowed back. Israel doesn't want to be in Gaza, they want an International force there to govern the land, so no apartheid there because Israel wont be there 1 3
Popular Post BangkokReady Posted February 3 Popular Post Posted February 3 4 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said: Israel doesn't want to be in Gaza, they want an International force there to govern the land, so no apartheid there because Israel wont be there Of course they do. They want the whole area. Why do you think they let the attack happen in October 23 then immediately began spinning things with "Hamas is ISIS" and various lies, before going in to flatten the place? 1 1 3 1 3
Nick Carter icp Posted February 3 Posted February 3 3 minutes ago, BangkokReady said: Of course they do. They want the whole area. Why do you think they let the attack happen in October 23 then immediately began spinning things with "Hamas is ISIS" and various lies, before going in to flatten the place? Need to move on with what will happen in the future , rather than constantly repeating nonsense conspiracy theories (Which have all been discussed before numerous times) 1 1
Popular Post Callmeishmael Posted February 4 Popular Post Posted February 4 There are 2 reasons why this relocation plan will never fly: 1. The Palestinians believe, with some justification, that if they leave they will never be allowed to return. 2. Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait and other Arab nations have accepted Palestinian refugees in the past and soon came to regret it. Palestinian extremists assassinated the Jordanian King and tried to overthrow the government. Palestinian refugees openly welcome the Iraqi invaders when they took over Kuwait. Palestinian refugees contributed to the unrest that led to Lebanon's decades long civil war. Palestinian groups have ties to the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. A sizable percent of Palestinians have been radicalized by generations of grievances, so they often do not live peaceably with their neighbors. Arabs don't like to admit it publicly, but they don't want the Palestinians to settle in their country. 2 4 4
thaibeachlovers Posted February 4 Posted February 4 1 hour ago, Callmeishmael said: There are 2 reasons why this relocation plan will never fly: 1. The Palestinians believe, with some justification, that if they leave they will never be allowed to return. 2. Jordan, Lebanon, Kuwait and other Arab nations have accepted Palestinian refugees in the past and soon came to regret it. Palestinian extremists assassinated the Jordanian King and tried to overthrow the government. Palestinian refugees openly welcome the Iraqi invaders when they took over Kuwait. Palestinian refugees contributed to the unrest that led to Lebanon's decades long civil war. Palestinian groups have ties to the outlawed Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt. A sizable percent of Palestinians have been radicalized by generations of grievances, so they often do not live peaceably with their neighbors. Arabs don't like to admit it publicly, but they don't want the Palestinians to settle in their country. 1 is correct. Israel has never allowed refugees to return to their own land before. Palestinian refugees contributed to the unrest that led to Lebanon's decades long civil war. I disagree. IMO it was the israeli invasion and their use of the Christians against non Christian Lebanese and Palestinians that led to the civil war, which started after the israelis were driven out. 2
thaibeachlovers Posted February 4 Posted February 4 Trump and israel trying to force Palestinians out of Gaza will never work as long as the Palestinians are ignored. Peace will only come from a political settlement involving the Palestinians and not from military force. I know of no such being successful anywhere. 2
thaibeachlovers Posted February 4 Posted February 4 16 hours ago, BangkokReady said: If they dismantle Hamas and the international community rebuilds Gaza, how are the Israelis going to justify the apartheid moving forward? I don't think that Israel is going to allow any kind of permanent fix, unless it means the Palestinians are not allowed back. With Trump's cover, I doubt they will care. The world other than the US may have a different idea. One hopes so.
thaibeachlovers Posted February 4 Posted February 4 22 hours ago, Social Media said: The question remains: Why should only Western nations be expected to absorb people fleeing conflicts in the Middle East? That's a very good question that I would like an answer to as well. I have no idea why western nations are so keen to take people from an alien culture and let them stay indefinitely. I can agree with temporarily, but not to become citizens, and have to leave when hostilities cease wherever they come from. How many Muslim refugees does Saudi take? 1 1
thaibeachlovers Posted February 4 Posted February 4 20 hours ago, billd766 said: Gaza does NOT belong to Trump or to the USA, nor even, though they don't believe it, does it belong to Israel. It belongs to the Palestinian people ONLY. They are the ones who should decide its fate, and no other country. Imagine if the native Americans decided that the USA belonged to them and to them only, and all the later immigrants must go back to their own countries. Do you think that Trump would give in to that? Seems we do agree on some things. 2
Popular Post billd766 Posted February 4 Popular Post Posted February 4 45 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said: Seems we do agree on some things. There is little we agree on. I make my posts on what I feel and I try not to change my opinions. My opinion on Trump and his policies has not changed over the years. I disliked him from the start many years ago and did not trust him then. However since the last election, when he was voted in by more electors that the Democrats I have accepted that. However IMHO, the US electorate perhaps did not realise what they will be getting, and they along with the rest of the world, may sadly regret that decision over the next 4 years. 1 2 1
thaibeachlovers Posted February 4 Posted February 4 9 minutes ago, billd766 said: There is little we agree on. I make my posts on what I feel and I try not to change my opinions. My opinion on Trump and his policies has not changed over the years. I disliked him from the start many years ago and did not trust him then. However since the last election, when he was voted in by more electors that the Democrats I have accepted that. However IMHO, the US electorate perhaps did not realise what they will be getting, and they along with the rest of the world, may sadly regret that decision over the next 4 years. I posted that we agree on Gaza and you come back with a deflection post ranting about Trump. You apparently need one of these and a long lie down. 1
BangkokReady Posted February 4 Posted February 4 19 hours ago, Nick Carter icp said: Need to move on with what will happen in the future , rather than constantly repeating nonsense conspiracy theories (Which have all been discussed before numerous times) "Please don't talk about what actually happened because I don't like it." While I understand why you would say this, I'm afraid it's not something people are going to go along with. 🤷♂️ 1
Nick Carter icp Posted February 4 Posted February 4 1 minute ago, BangkokReady said: "Please don't talk about what actually happened because I don't like it." While I understand why you would say this, I'm afraid it's not something people are going to go along with. 🤷♂️ It has been spoken about in previous threads numerous times . We cannot keep just having the same discussion over and over again , it just ends up with the same few people saying the same thing back and forth to each other on a regular basis in different threads .
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