Trump’s Proposal for Gazan Relocation makes perfect sense

[Bkk Brian]

12 minutes ago, The Fugitive said:

You missed the point. The proven guilty who've been released are irrelevant. They're marked men anyway. Mossad are known for pursuing and assassinating people all over the world, even decades later.

I missed no point, you asked me a question about Palastinian prisoners who had not been convicted, I replied with facts about the terrorist's being released after being convicted in exchange for innocent hostages. Its far from irrelevant. 

 

Here's some more facts.

 

 

Some Palestinian prisoners freed in ceasefire arrive in Turkey

CAIRO/ANKARA, Feb 4 (Reuters) - Fifteen Palestinian prisoners freed by Israel under the Jan. 19 ceasefire agreement with Hamas arrived in Turkey on Tuesday after being deported first to Egypt, the Turkish foreign minister and the Hamas prisoners media office said.
Among dozens of such former prisoners, they are the first to be taken in by a third country other than Egypt under the terms of the ceasefire, which bar prisoners convicted by Israel of violent attacks from returning to the Palestinian Territories.

https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/some-palestinian-prisoners-freed-ceasefire-arrive-turkey-2025-02-04/

 

 

 

[Jim Blue]

Why does this remind me of the last MAGA ...MIGA or Make Iraq Great again .

Now how did that work out ?

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, Jim Blue said:

Why does this remind me of the last MAGA ...MIGA or Make Iraq Great again .

Now how did that work out ?

 

   This is a very different situation than to Iraq , no comparison at all 

[theblether]

12 minutes ago, Jim Blue said:

Why does this remind me of the last MAGA ...MIGA or Make Iraq Great again .

Now how did that work out ?

 

IMO the Arab nations will come to the table on this. Trump will "fold" in return for the Arab states taking responsibility for security in Gaza and signing the Abraham Accords recognising Israel. 

 

On paper, looks good. Could well just be a kick the can down the road exercise, but then again the Shia nations would love to undermine Iran. We'll see. 

 

I don't think we're going to see the evacuation of 2 million Palestinians though, no matter what. 

[connda]

3 hours ago, billd766 said:

Under Trump and Netanyahu it will NOT be voluntary.

 

What will happen if the Palestinians refuse to go?

 

Will they be forced to go? How do you force 2 million people to leave the country where they and their ancestors have lived all their lives?

 

Which countries will take them in and pay for them for generations? Neither the USA nor Israel could afford to do that.

 

 

It will set a precedent.  Let 'er rip!

So, if the US forces the Palestinians to leave Gaza (and Israel) and moves to them all to Egypt and Jordan and elsewhere in the ME/NA, then what's next? 
The Chinese forcing all the Uyghurs to move from Xinjiang back to their historical origins in Mongolia? 
Myanmar marches all the Rohingya back to Bangladesh?
India marches the "Untouchables" into the sea? 
I'm sure there are other countries who would like to rid themselves of those whom they don't see as part of their own societies and cultures.
Really, once you let the forced relocation genie out of the bottle there will be no stuffing him back in. You can't, from an international perspective, say that the forced relocation of one group of people on one hand is good, but the force relocation of other groups of people on the other hand is bad.  Considering this is a Trump/US idea, you'd think that the US would know better as it's done this before in the 19th century with our own indigenous populations in the United State.  Granted, they weren't forced into Canada and Mexico - I guess they could have been. With the way thing are going perhaps they plan to revisit that?  Why not - it seems the world is going stark raving mad. 

Really - speaking as a Buddhist - too many people on this globe are literally losing their innate humanity and are gleefully celebrating the loss. I believe in the long run there will be consequences.  I refuse to join the cavalcade of man's hatred towards his fellow man.
Best of luck.

[jts-khorat]

32 minutes ago, connda said:

It will set a precedent.  Let 'er rip!

So, if the US forces the Palestinians to leave Gaza (and Israel) and moves to them all to Egypt and Jordan and elsewhere in the ME/NA, then what's next? 
The Chinese forcing all the Uyghurs to move from Xinjiang back to their historical origins in Mongolia? 
Myanmar marches all the Rohingya back to Bangladesh?
India marches the "Untouchables" into the sea? 
I'm sure there are other countries who would like to rid themselves of those whom they don't see as part of their own societies and cultures.

 

It is indeed not a large step from forcibly relocating 2 million people to put them in little internment camps.

 

As indeed the USA is showing us with increasing space at Guantanamo Bay -- the name does not rhyme with Auschwitz quite yet, but the ideology of creating places outside of jurisdiction and protection of rights seems to align more day by day.

[spot]

2 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Rubbish, they can be eliminated enough so they can't ever be a major threat again for another Oct 7th. The rest of your post resorts to more unfounded claims about genocide and insinuating that Israel is deliberately killing civilians.

 

October 7th was an atrocity; there is no other word for it.

 

But to say that Israel has not laid waste to civilians is false; it's not insinuation. 

 

Also, to naively think that future threats can just be eliminated enough is, as you like to say, rubbish.

[still kicking]

Donald Trump’s plan for Gaza comes from a good place ... and makes no sense at all

Donald Trump’s plan for Gaza comes from a good place ... and makes no sense at all | news.com.au — Australia’s leading news site

[CG1 Blue]

2 hours ago, theblether said:

Inhumane savagery celebrated in the streets by hundreds of thousands who ripped corpses to pieces. That girl you saw, the one raped, lying face down with her legs broken on the pick up? They found a piece of her skull before her body 

 

Desecrated in life, desecrated in death. 

 

Just like the young Thai man beheaded by a garden hoe. 

It's no wonder the Arab nations don't want Palestinians living in their countries. Not sure which countries Trump thinks will accept them for relocation. 

Oh wait, the UK government will probably volunteer. Starmer and co are doing all they can to encourage migration from f d up countries. 

[spot]

1 hour ago, CG1 Blue said:

It's no wonder the Arab nations don't want Palestinians living in their countries. Not sure which countries Trump thinks will accept them for relocation. 

Oh wait, the UK government will probably volunteer. Starmer and co are doing all they can to encourage migration from f d up countries. 

Atrocities happened on both sides. That doesn't mean that all the people from those nations are as barbaric. 

 

I see you managed to get plenty of general - these people are all non human type racism, and a  Starmer insult in there. 

[NickyLouie]

Absolutely brilliant idea that will finally bring peace to this troubled region, the all powerful and most auspicious Allah will bless the other good Muslims for absorbing these perilous worshippers.

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, NickyLouie said:

Absolutely brilliant idea that will finally bring peace to this troubled region, the all powerful and most auspicious Allah will bless the other good Muslims for absorbing these perilous worshippers.

 

 

 

   I would have thought that the people who support the Palestinians would be over joyed that their guys are escaping the "open air prison" and being safe from "genocide"

[Centigrade32]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I would have thought that the people who support the Palestinians would be over joyed that their guys are escaping the "open air prison" and being safe from "genocide"

 

 

I guess that's your way of saying that you are Jewish, without actually admitting that you are Jewish.

[GypsyT]

Finally ONE item Trump is expert!

He and his father Fred were well know "slum lords" of New York.

 

They make millions by buying run  down buildings and the renting to poor. City of New York was the sucker...

 

"Fred Trump was still the biggest builder in Brooklyn, but the past three years had taken a toll. During the summer of 1954 one newspaper article after another had broadcast to the world a Senate committee’s claims that Trump had profiteered on postwar housing. The headlines were devastating. According to a classmate of Maryanne Trump, the accusations seemed to hang like a dark cloud over the family. Worse yet, the scandal also cast a long shadow over Trump’s business interests. Beach Haven tenants were suing for rent rollbacks, the FHA was threatening to take over Shore Haven, and the agency put Trump on its blacklist for future work. As a result, he could not obtain federal financing for his next major project, an apartment complex on the site of Luna Park, a celebrated Coney Island amusement center that had burned down ten years earlier."

 

[Hanaguma]

1 hour ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   I would have thought that the people who support the Palestinians would be over joyed that their guys are escaping the "open air prison" and being safe from "genocide"

True.

I also thought that the people in Gaza were refugees, hence why they still live in "refugee camps". They are not native to Gaza. So why can't they be refugees somewhere else? There are 22 countries in the Arab League, with a total population approaching 500 million. Should be easy for them to absorb a couple million from Gaza.

[Jeff the Chef]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

True.

I also thought that the people in Gaza were refugees, hence why they still live in "refugee camps". They are not native to Gaza. So why can't they be refugees somewhere else? There are 22 countries in the Arab League, with a total population approaching 500 million. Should be easy for them to absorb a couple million from Gaza.

 

Maybe those 500 million need to march on Israel and convince them that they don't need to be where they are as they are descended from European/Western Jews.

[Nick Carter icp]

22 minutes ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Maybe those 500 million need to march on Israel and convince them that they don't need to be where they are as they are descended from European/Western Jews.

 

   About half of Israelis are descendants from Arabia . Iran, Morocco and numerous other Middle Eastern Countries 

[Jeff the Chef]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   About half of Israelis are descendants from Arabia . Iran, Morocco and numerous other Middle Eastern Countries 

and your point is?

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

and your point is?

 

   Isn't it rather obvious ?

Do I really need to explain it to you ?

Read your post and then read my reply 

[Bkk Brian]

7 hours ago, spot said:

 

October 7th was an atrocity; there is no other word for it.

 

But to say that Israel has not laid waste to civilians is false; it's not insinuation. 

 

Also, to naively think that future threats can just be eliminated enough is, as you like to say, rubbish.

Also, to naively think that future threats can just be eliminated enough is, as you like to say, rubbish.

 

Your being dishonest and changing what I said though, of course threats will always remain. 

 

This is what I actually said:

"they can be eliminated enough so they can't ever be a major threat again for another Oct 7th."

 

Nothing naïve about that. Their tunnels are mostly destroyed already, those that aren't will be. Hardly any rockets left. Its actually there now. 

 

The Israeli campaign succeeded in destroying Hamas’ military and securing a ceasefire that would release the hostages. The campaign has also isolated Hamas in the Gaza Strip, though Israel and its partners will need to ensure that Hamas remains contained.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/israels-operational-success-and-strategic-shortcomings-gaza-strip

 

Feel free to provide a credible link to dispute these facts.

[Cryingdick]

On 2/3/2025 at 6:31 AM, Will B Good said:

So let me get this straight....he is proposing mass immigration to neighbouring countries..........you couldn't write this stuff.

Otherwise it is going to be mass immigration to heaven.

[Yagoda]

You saw it from me first. Make the Saudis pay.

 

 

[connda]

15 hours ago, spot said:

October 7th was an atrocity; there is no other word for it.

October 7th was a prison break, in my own opinion; there is not other words for it. (You fail to account for 85 years of Palestinian subjugation and multiple forced relocations). Study history.  Yeah, it is inconvenient.

[GypsyT]

Why don't Jews go where they belong rather than stealing land from poor sheep farmers?

 

"Starting from the beginning, a Jewish community had been established in Ethiopia sometime after the destruction of the first temple in around 587 BCE. The origin of the Ethiopian Jews is unclear though most believe that they are the descendants of King Solomon and Queen Sheba"

[Yagoda]

11 minutes ago, GypsyT said:

Why don't Jews go where they belong rather than stealing land from poor sheep farmers?

 

"Starting from the beginning, a Jewish community had been established in Ethiopia sometime after the destruction of the first temple in around 587 BCE. The origin of the Ethiopian Jews is unclear though most believe that they are the descendants of King Solomon and Queen Sheba"

Im sure they dont care what you think.

[Watawattana]

[still kicking]

4 hours ago, Yagoda said:

Im sure they dont care what you think.

Or you 

[spot]

19 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Also, to naively think that future threats can just be eliminated enough is, as you like to say, rubbish.

 

Your being dishonest and changing what I said though, of course threats will always remain. 

 

This is what I actually said:

"they can be eliminated enough so they can't ever be a major threat again for another Oct 7th."

 

Nothing naïve about that. Their tunnels are mostly destroyed already, those that aren't will be. Hardly any rockets left. Its actually there now. 

 

The Israeli campaign succeeded in destroying Hamas’ military and securing a ceasefire that would release the hostages. The campaign has also isolated Hamas in the Gaza Strip, though Israel and its partners will need to ensure that Hamas remains contained.

https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/israels-operational-success-and-strategic-shortcomings-gaza-strip

 

Feel free to provide a credible link to dispute these facts.

 

There you go again, insinuating my dishonesty. I didn't change anything you said.

You know full well that I wasn't being specific about tunnels and the number of rockets they have at this particular time.

It's clear I was talking about the threat remaining, if peace isn't worked out.

 

Thank you for adding the new part about conceding that 'threats will remain.'

 

 

 

[spot]

11 hours ago, connda said:

October 7th was a prison break, in my own opinion; there is not other words for it. (You fail to account for 85 years of Palestinian subjugation and multiple forced relocations). Study history.  Yeah, it is inconvenient.

Er, yes, I do understand the 85 years of build up to this. I did say that October 7th was atrocious, but the retaliation by Israel was a far worse atrocity.

[Yagoda]

1 hour ago, spot said:

Er, yes, I do understand the 85 years of build up to this. I did say that October 7th was atrocious, but the retaliation by Israel was a far worse atrocity.

The only atrocity was Joe Biden leaving our American hostages over there. We should be bombing Tehran until the hostages are released.

 

Great job by the way Benny in smashing hamas and Hezbollah. I'm glad that we have Israel on our side, they can take care of our light work. They just need to be a bit tougher and not pay attention to all the screechy little whiners who hate Jews because Jews are smarter richer and more powerful than they are, just keep dropping those bombs until the scumbags wave the white flag.