1st Mexico now Canada. Tariffs on hold.

[impulse]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Higher prices for generic drugs due to China tariffs will improve quality of live 

 

Do you really think the wholesale cost of the precursors (or even the generic compounds) is a significant component of the retail price?

[Purdey]

As with the Russia-Ukraine conflict, countries have been identifying other countries to do business with. If the situation with the US becomes a trade war, countries will look for other markets to sell and buy products. Even China.

[oxo1947]

1 hour ago, CallumWK said:

Word on the street is that nobody folded, but that Trump is nothing more than a windbag,

 

Over to CallumWK about what the "Word on the street"  is after that announcement

 

 

[Eric Loh]

1 minute ago, impulse said:

 

Do you really think the wholesale cost of the precursors (or even the generic compounds) is a significant component of the retail price?

Not even talking about component as most US generic drug manufacturers have moved overseas primarily China and India due to high costs. 90% of America's drug supply is composed of generics and will be impossible without them unless you pay for higher prices for branded. 

[Yellowtail]

[Lacessit]

1 hour ago, impulse said:

 

The important thing was to get Mexico to concede that they need to take action on the border.  All those migrants traipsing from south to north across Mexico are not just America's problem. 

 

How they eventually handle it is anyone's guess.  It's still early days.

 

Edit:  Trump doesn't want a trade war.  But he's signaled that he's not afraid of one. 

 

Trump wanted a trade war with China in his last term. He lost - badly.

 

Countries like Canada and Mexico are just giving lip service to Trump's obsessions. They know his threats are empty, Americans will be hurt worse than Canadians or Mexicans if he actually implements them.

 

Picture what would happen if Canada shut down its exports of oil to the US. There would be rationing at gas stations across the country.

 

As for China, people do not realise how independent of America it has become.

 

China is leading in AI with DeepSeek. It is also ahead of anyone else in achieving sustained energy with nuclear fusion.

 

Chinese EV's are outselling Tesla in Europe and the rest of Asia. Legacy carmakers in the US are being left in the dust.

 

China has thousands of kilometres of high speed rail criss-crossing the country. The USA has just 80 km.

 

Trump should be afraid of a trade war with China, American farmers would be put to the sword all over again.

[Oliver Holzerfilled]

1 hour ago, stevenl said:

Not at all. He caved.

 

 

"Barely any."  You're right.  No need for any focus on Canada.

 

Fentanyl is an extremely potent synthetic opioid, estimated to be 50 to 100 times more potent than morphine. A lethal dose of fentanyl for an average adult is approximately **2 milligrams (mg)**, though this can vary depending on factors like body weight, tolerance, and individual sensitivity.

To calculate how many lethal doses are in "barely any" 43 pounds of fentanyl:

1. **Convert pounds to grams**:
   - 1 pound = 453.592 grams
   - 43 pounds = 43 × 453.592 = **19,504.456 grams**

2. **Convert grams to milligrams**:
   - 1 gram = 1,000 milligrams
   - 19,504.456 grams = 19,504,456 milligrams

3. **Calculate the number of lethal doses**:
   - Lethal dose = 2 mg
   - Number of lethal doses = 19,504,456 mg ÷ 2 mg = **9,752,228 lethal doses**

Therefore, barely any **43 pounds of fentanyl could theoretically kill approximately barely any 9.75 million people**, assuming no tolerance and an average lethal dose of 2 mg per person. This highlights the extreme danger of fentanyl and its potential for barely any mass harm.

[impulse]

6 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Not even talking about component as most US generic drug manufacturers have moved overseas primarily China and India due to high costs. 90% of America's drug supply is composed of generics and will be impossible without them unless you pay for higher prices for branded. 

 

Once again, if you knew what the markup is between the ex-works price and the retail price, you'd realize that, in general, increasing the tariffs will have a tiny effect on the retail price.  They buy the stuff for pennies and sell them for dollars.  The tariff is calculated on the pennies.

 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Oliver Holzerfilled said:

"Barely any."  You're right.  No need for any focus on Canada.

 

Fentanyl is an extremely potent synthetic opioid, estimated to be 50 to 100 times more potent than morphine. A lethal dose of fentanyl for an average adult is approximately **2 milligrams (mg)**, though this can vary depending on factors like body weight, tolerance, and individual sensitivity.

To calculate how many lethal doses are in "barely any" 43 pounds of fentanyl:

1. **Convert pounds to grams**:
   - 1 pound = 453.592 grams
   - 43 pounds = 43 × 453.592 = **19,504.456 grams**

2. **Convert grams to milligrams**:
   - 1 gram = 1,000 milligrams
   - 19,504.456 grams = 19,504,456 milligrams

3. **Calculate the number of lethal doses**:
   - Lethal dose = 2 mg
   - Number of lethal doses = 19,504,456 mg ÷ 2 mg = **9,752,228 lethal doses**

Therefore, barely any **43 pounds of fentanyl could theoretically kill approximately barely any 9.75 million people**, assuming no tolerance and an average lethal dose of 2 mg per person. This highlights the extreme danger of fentanyl and its potential for barely any mass harm.

And if one percent of the Fentanyl comes from Canada, that's a thousand dead Americans every year. 

[CallumWK]

10 minutes ago, oxo1947 said:

 

Over to CallumWK about what the "Word on the street"  is after that announcement

 

 

 

Maybe you should keep yourself to the worst jokes section, many of your posts there are funny, instead of posting a one-sided maga post, without a link to the source

[Yellowtail]

5 minutes ago, CallumWK said:

 

Maybe you should keep yourself to the worst jokes section, many of your posts there are funny, instead of posting a one-sided maga post, without a link to the source

Poor, poor lefty. 

 

"Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau announced Monday that he had agreed to string of Donald Trump's border demands and won a 30-day reprieve from a raft of hefty tariffs in exchange"

 

Canada folds to Trump's demands and strikes $3 billion border deal

[Yellowtail]

 

Canada folds to Trump's demands and strikes $3 billion border deal

 

 

[Eric Loh]

40 minutes ago, impulse said:

 

Once again, if you knew what the markup is between the ex-works price and the retail price, you'd realize that, in general, increasing the tariffs will have a tiny effect on the retail price.  They buy the stuff for pennies and sell them for dollars.  The tariff is calculated on the pennies.

 

So you agree that tariffs will rise drug prices. A small step to understand the downside of tariffs on the general public. 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

So you agree that tariffs will rise drug prices. A small step to understand the downside of tariffs on the general public. 

Everyone knows that tariffs increase prices, at least in the short term.

[Eric Loh]

8 hours ago, dinsdale said:

The "stick" part of "carrot and stick" seems to be working.

Biden got Mexico to send 10,000 guards to the border in 2021 without the need for tariff threats or stick as you call it. Just need good diplomacy. 

[Eric Loh]

33 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

Everyone knows that tariffs increase prices, at least in the short term.

Probably only you. Talk to any economists and they will tell you price increases are long term. Especially in Trump’s presidency of uncertainties to just about everything. 

[Yellowtail]

1 minute ago, Eric Loh said:

Biden got Mexico to send 10,000 guards to the border in 2021 without the need for tariff threats or stick as you call it. Just need good diplomacy. 

As long as Biden kept the border open, Mexico would do whatever Biden wanted. 

 

Now there are 10,000 guards at the border, and 10,000 more on the way, so that will be 20,000.

 

And now instead of helping illegal aliens enter the United States like Biden and the left wanted, the Mexican guards will be tasked with stopping illegal aliens from entering the United States, like Trump and the American people want. 

[Yellowtail]

3 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Probably only you. Talk to any economists and they will tell you price increases are long term. Especially in Trump’s presidency of uncertainties to just about everything. 

I said at least in the short term, please try to follow along. 

 

 

[Eric Loh]

1 minute ago, Yellowtail said:

As long as Biden kept the border open, Mexico would do whatever Biden wanted. 

 

Now there are 10,000 guards at the border, and 10,000 more on the way, so that will be 20,000.

 

And now instead of helping illegal aliens enter the United States like Biden and the left wanted, the Mexican guards will be tasked with stopping illegal aliens from entering the United States, like Trump and the American people want. 

Try catching up & rely less on Fox. 
CBS

Illegal crossings at U.S. southern border reach lowest point of Biden presidency

[Eric Loh]

4 minutes ago, Yellowtail said:

I said at least in the short term, please try to follow along. 

 

 

Gibberish 

[Yellowtail]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Try catching up & rely less on Fox. 
CBS

Illegal crossings at U.S. southern border reach lowest point of Biden presidency

On the runup to the election, sure. The last thing Mexico wanted was Trump in the White House. 

 

Do you support stopping illegal immigration and deporting illegal immigrants or not?

[Baht Simpson]

So what's to stop Trump in 30 days saying, right,  now we've got this we want this and we're re-instating tariffs until we get it. 

 

You can't bow down to bullies. They'll just get worse. 

[Baht Simpson]

A reminder if needed.

[scottiejohn]

3 hours ago, Yagoda said:

There is no better option. Expect your war profiteering country to bow in  submission soon. 

There is a very simple and very much better option!

Get rid of the idiot Trump and put an intelligent mainstream non MAGA  Republican Politician in charge!

[Yagoda]

16 minutes ago, scottiejohn said:

There is a very simple and very much better option!

Get rid of the idiot Trump and put an intelligent mainstream non MAGA  Republican Politician in charge!

Your lot will be bowing too. We decide who runs the place, not you.

[scottiejohn]

5 minutes ago, Yagoda said:

Your lot will be bowing too. We decide who runs the place, not you.

Who are "my lot"?

[candide]

3 hours ago, Purdey said:

As with the Russia-Ukraine conflict, countries have been identifying other countries to do business with. If the situation with the US becomes a trade war, countries will look for other markets to sell and buy products. Even China.

Actually, China already started that.

[simple1]

9 hours ago, dinsdale said:

The "stick" part of "carrot and stick" seems to be working.

 

The flow of illegals and fentanyl across the Canadian border was already minimal. The same outcome could have been achieved without all the noise show for MAGA and truly annoying a close ally. Let's see what difference the actions by Mexico make, one would have though the migrant policy changes by trump would already had sufficient impact on illegals flow. What additional resources has trump committed to interdict fentanyl, opioid abuse within USA and weapons shipments to Mexico?

 

PRC has already announced additional tariffs on the US.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2025/feb/04/donald-trump-tariffs-live-blog-news-updates-canada-trudeau-mexico-china