Trump’s Bold Proposal to End Gaza’s Cycle of Suffering

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, retayl said:

The Palestinians have been offered their own state on numerous occasions since 1948. They have always rejected one assumes because acceptance would require recognition of Israel’s right to exist.

The two most prominent nations opposing the two state solution are Israel and Iran.

 

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[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

The two most prominent nations opposing the two state solution are Israel and Iran.

 

 

Just gloss over Hamas refusing then........................

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

The two most prominent nations opposing the two state solution are Israel and Iran.

 

    Israel previously was willing for the two state solution , but the Palestinians never would accept a two state solution .

   So now Israel doesn't trust the Palestinians to have their own state .

They have shown time and time again that they will wage war against Israel at every opportunity they get 

[theblether]

9 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

That’s not the consensus.

 

 

 

This is the consensus, Stop commenting on things you clearly know nothing about. 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/21/why-arab-states-wont-support-palestinians-qa-00142277

[Nick Carter icp]

3 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

You got that wrong. Hamas killed about 1,000 people on that day.

Israel killed over 45,000 people after that day including over 17,000 children.

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   Really, how come that you haven't mentioned that before ?

The World needs to know all about that .

How come that its been kept a secret for so long ?

-S

 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

    Israel previously was willing for the two state solution , but the Palestinians never would accept a two state solution .

   So now Israel doesn't trust the Palestinians to have their own state .

They have shown time and time again that they will wage war against Israel at every opportunity they get 

How does that give Israel the right to deny Palestinians their inalienable right to self determination in their own state and moreover for Israel and the United States to evict Palestinians from their homeland?

 

 

 

 

 

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

How does that give Israel the right to deny Palestinians their inalienable right to self determination in their own state and moreover for Israel and the United States to evict Palestinians from their homeland?

 

   They are a security threat to Israel's very existence and they also destabilise the whole region and also give the Worlds anti-semites a unifying cause .

   Israel needs to act in its own interests and nullify the Palestinian threat to their very existence 

[Chomper Higgot]

5 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

This is the consensus, Stop commenting on things you clearly know nothing about. 

 

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2024/02/21/why-arab-states-wont-support-palestinians-qa-00142277

Righty-o:

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-recognize-palestine

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   They are a security threat to Israel's very existence and they also destabilise the whole region and also give the Worlds anti-semites a unifying cause .

   Israel needs to act in its own interests and nullify the Palestinian threat to their very existence 

And yet Palestinians exist, in their own land.

 

Getting rid of them isn’t an option.

 

Or maybe am I reading the news wrongly?

 

[Bkk Brian]

8 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How does that give Israel the right to deny Palestinians their inalienable right to self determination in their own state and moreover for Israel and the United States to evict Palestinians from their homeland?

 

More lies, nobody is evicting anyone. 

[theblether]

7 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Righty-o:

 

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/countries-that-recognize-palestine

 

Righty-o 

 

Worthless list paying lip service. Arabs detest the Palestinians and they prove that by their actions, offering them no refuge. In fact, they are banned from Egypt - who created Gaza to corral them as they knew they'd be a cancerous presence in Egypt. 

 

By the way, you just proved my point that you are clueless. 

[Nick Carter icp]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

And yet Palestinians exist, in their own land.

 

Getting rid of them isn’t an option.

 

Or maybe am I reading the news wrongly?

 

 

   Many of them came from Egypt , many have typical Egyptian surnames,

They can like move over the border  , its a stones thrown away 

[Jingthing]

1 minute ago, theblether said:

 

Righty-o 

 

Worthless list paying lip service. Arabs detest the Palestinians and they prove that by their actions, offering them no refuge. In fact, they are banned from Egypt - who create Gaza to corral them as they knew they'd be a cancerous presence in Egypt. 

 

By the way, you just proved my point that you are clueless. 

Weirdly, I agree. The Muslim world also likes to keep Palestinians as eternal refugees because then they can have a scapegoat of Israel to blame for that and deflect from the crap they are doing to their own nationals.

But don't ask me for a solution to this mess. I don't have a clue.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, theblether said:

 

Righty-o 

 

Worthless list paying lip service. Arabs detest the Palestinians and they prove that by their actions, offering them no refuge. In fact, they are banned from Egypt - who create Gaza to corral them as they knew they'd be a cancerous presence in Egypt. 

 

By the way, you just proved my point that you are clueless. 

You present me with an opinion piece alongside the comment;

 

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

This is the consensus, Stop commenting on things you clearly know nothing about. 

 

 

I respond with the FACTS that the majority of the worlds nations recognize Palestine (the consensus) and you call the data of what constitutes the consensus ‘worthless’.

 

I say again.

 

Righty-o.

[Chomper Higgot]

Just now, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Many of them came from Egypt , many have typical Egyptian surnames,

They can like move over the border  , its a stones thrown away 

I hope we are not going to start ‘getting rid of people’ from the region who didn’t originate there or who have names that didn’t originate there.

 

You so freely give away other people’s right to live in their homeland. 
 

 

[theblether]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

You present me with an opinion piece alongside the comment;

 

 

I respond with the FACTS that the majority of the worlds nations recognize Palestine (the consensus) and you call the data of what constitutes the consensus ‘worthless’.

 

I say again.

 

Righty-o.

 

Google Wasfi Tal. 

 

It takes a special type of Internet troll to deny that Egypt has banned Palestinians for decades. It take as special type of Internet troll to deny the evidence of everyone's eyes that the Muslim states will do anything to avoid taking in Palestinians. Read up on the Palestinian Exodus before you beclown yourself even more. 

 

https://badil.org/publications/al-majdal/issues/items/1355.html

[Chomper Higgot]

3 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Weirdly, I agree. The Muslim world also likes to keep Palestinians as eternal refugees because then they can have a scapegoat of Israel to blame for that and deflect from the crap they are doing to their own nationals.

But don't ask me for a solution to this mess. I don't have a clue.

It’s a conspiracy theory but I know some folk are attracted to such thinking.

Even if true, and I doubt it is, it kind of scuppers Trump’s plan to ‘clean out’ Gaza don’t you think,

 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

You present me with an opinion piece alongside the comment;

 

 

I respond with the FACTS that the majority of the worlds nations recognize Palestine (the consensus) and you call the data of what constitutes the consensus ‘worthless’.

 

I say again.

 

Righty-o.

This is not a fact...............

 

Its the exact opposite

17 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How does that give Israel the right to deny Palestinians their inalienable right to self determination in their own state and moreover for Israel and the United States to evict Palestinians from their homeland?

 

[theblether]

This is an acid test for anyone commenting on these threads. If you've never heard of the:

 

Palestinian Exodus 

 

Don't comment until you read up on what happened and why. 

[Jingthing]

3 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a conspiracy theory but I know some folk are attracted to such thinking.

Even if true, and I doubt it is, it kind of scuppers Trump’s plan to ‘clean out’ Gaza don’t you think,

 

I think it's verifiable fact that the Muslim world has treated Palestinians badly.

Look at Lebanon.

They could have been fully integrated decades ago, but no they are eternal refugees hanging on to their giant keys to houses that no longer exist. That is STUPID. 

Of course the Trump idea (it's just a distraction from the fascist internal coup within the US) supports ethnic cleansing which is of course a war crime, and now there is a hopeless attempt to impeach about that.

 

[theblether]

4 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

It’s a conspiracy theory but I know some folk are attracted to such thinking.

Even if true, and I doubt it is, it kind of scuppers Trump’s plan to ‘clean out’ Gaza don’t you think,

 

 

BS. The Muslim states don't want them as they created a cancerous autonomous bubble in South Lebanon, undermining the Lebanese government. You must be off your head if you think other Arab states want that to happen to them. 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I hope we are not going to start ‘getting rid of people’ from the region who didn’t originate there or who have names that didn’t originate there.

You so freely give away other people’s right to live in their homeland. 

 

   There's about 5000 groups of people who all want a homeland for themselves : Catalans, Basques , Shan , Marsh Arabs , Uighurs , Kurds , The Tooting Popular front , Tibetans 

   The Palestinians  will just have to accept that they cannot have their own Country, just like all the other groups have to do

[Social Media]

A number of posts making unsubstaniated claims of evictions have been removed along with responses. 

[Chomper Higgot]

6 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   There's about 5000 groups of people who all want a homeland for themselves : Catalans, Basques , Shan , Marsh Arabs , Uighurs , Kurds , The Tooting Popular front , Tibetans 

   The Palestinians  will just have to accept that they cannot have their own Country, just like all the other groups have to do

Oh the 5000 (?) other problems to hide behind to avoid dealing with the one being discussed.

[Bkk Brian]

16 hours ago, Social Media said:

The real scandal is not the suggestion that Palestinians should have the opportunity to leave Gaza voluntarily, but the fact that they have been forcibly kept there for generations. UNRWA, Egypt, and the broader international community have contributed to this imprisonment, ensuring that Palestinians remain shields for Hamas during conflicts and victims of the destruction that follows.

I think the OP needs to be read again by you Chomper

[retayl]

40 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

How does that give Israel the right to deny Palestinians their inalienable right to self determination in their own state and moreover for Israel and the United States to evict Palestinians from their homeland?

 

 

 

 

 

Which part of Palestinians consistently rejecting a 2 state solution do you not understand?

[Nick Carter icp]

6 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oh the 5000 (?) other problems to hide behind to avoid dealing with the one being discussed.

 

   Begs the question ,

Why do you just focus on one group of people and ignore all the rest ?

If the Palestinians weren't not fighting against Jews , they would get as much World public support as the Catalans do 

[candide]

13 minutes ago, theblether said:

 

BS. The Muslim states don't want them as they created a cancerous autonomous bubble in South Lebanon, undermining the Lebanese government. You must be off your head if you think other Arab states want that to happen to them. 

They don't want them in tneir country. They want them in Palestine.

 

The Arab Peace Initiative (Arabic: مبادرة السلام العربية; Hebrew: יוזמת השלום הערבית), also known as the Saudi Initiative (Arabic: مبادرة السعودية; Hebrew: היוזמה הסעודית), is a 10 sentence proposal for an end to the Arab–Israeli conflict that was endorsed by the Arab League in 2002 at the Beirut Summit and re-endorsed at the 2007 and at the 2017 Arab League summits.[1] The initiative offers normalisation of relations by the Arab world with Israel, in return for a full withdrawal by Israel from the occupied territories (including the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan Heights, and Lebanon), with the possibility of comparable and mutual agreed minor swaps of the land between Israel and Palestine, a "just settlement" of the Palestinian refugee problem based on UN Resolution 194, and the establishment of a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Begs the question ,

Why do you just focus on one group of people and ignore all the rest ?

If the Palestinians weren't not fighting against Jews , they would get as much World public support as the Catalans do 

It doesn’t beg any questions.

 

This is a thread discussing a single topic.

 

Your attempt at whataboutary is noted.

[theblether]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

They don't want them in tneir country. They want them in Palestine.

 

The Arab Peace Initiative (Arabic: مبادرة السلام العربية; Hebrew: יוזמת השלום הערבית), also known as the Saudi Initiative (Arabic: مبادرة السعودية; Hebrew: היוזמה הסעודית), is a 10 sentence proposal for an end to the Arab–Israeli conflict that was endorsed by the Arab League in 2002 at the Beirut Summit and re-endorsed at the 2007 and at the 2017 Arab League summits.[1] The initiative offers normalisation of relations by the Arab world with Israel, in return for a full withdrawal by Israel from the occupied territories (including the West Bank, Gaza, the Golan Heights, and Lebanon), with the possibility of comparable and mutual agreed minor swaps of the land between Israel and Palestine, a "just settlement" of the Palestinian refugee problem based on UN Resolution 194, and the establishment of a Palestinian state with East Jerusalem as its capital.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arab_Peace_Initiative

 

Comical answer proving you know nothing about Arab culture. 

 

If Arabs truly wanted that it would have happened already.