The Phantom Time Hypothesis – Are We Really in the Year 2025?

CharlieH · February 7

This theory, proposed by historian Heribert Illig, suggests that around 300 years of history (between 614 and 911 AD) were fabricated, meaning we might actually be living in the 18th century rather than the 21st.

According to this idea, the Holy Roman Emperor Otto III, Pope Sylvester II, and the Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII conspired to rewrite history to legitimise Otto’s rule. Supporters claim that historical inconsistencies, missing archaeological evidence, and anomalies in the Gregorian calendar support this idea.

Could it be true, or is it just a misunderstanding of mediaeval records?

Stiddle Mump · February 7

7 minutes ago, CharlieH said:

This theory, proposed by historian Heribert Illig, suggests that around 300 years of history (between 614 and 911 AD) were fabricated, meaning we might actually be living in the 18th century rather than the 21st.

According to this idea, the Holy Roman Emperor Otto III, Pope Sylvester II, and the Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII conspired to rewrite history to legitimise Otto’s rule. Supporters claim that historical inconsistencies, missing archaeological evidence, and anomalies in the Gregorian calendar support this idea.

Could it be true, or is it just a misunderstanding of mediaeval records?

The historian John Hamer explains this in his book too; 'The falsification of history.'

So much of what we are told happened, did not in fact happen at all.

Great topic for debate.

kwonitoy · February 7

What does it matter though.

Muslims, Hindus, Buddhists, Christians all have different numerology of their calendars.

We all live in the here and now despite our different numbering systems

save the frogs · February 7

what if we're living in a simulation?

Confuscious · Sunday at 08:32 AM

No way Jose.
If you are in Thailand, you live in 2568.
The 25th century.

If you live in a Muslim country, you live in the year 1447.

The middle ages.

If you have Alzheimer, you don't know in what year you live.

newbee2022 · Tuesday at 04:45 AM

On 2/7/2025 at 1:28 PM, CharlieH said:

This theory, proposed by historian Heribert Illig, suggests that around 300 years of history (between 614 and 911 AD) were fabricated, meaning we might actually be living in the 18th century rather than the 21st.

According to this idea, the Holy Roman Emperor Otto III, Pope Sylvester II, and the Byzantine Emperor Constantine VII conspired to rewrite history to legitimise Otto’s rule. Supporters claim that historical inconsistencies, missing archaeological evidence, and anomalies in the Gregorian calendar support this idea.

Could it be true, or is it just a misunderstanding of mediaeval records?

Would it change anything to write a new figure onto the calendar?

wwest5829 · Tuesday at 06:15 AM

Wait, what? Does that apply to those of us who recognize the year as 2568?

Dionigi · Tuesday at 06:32 AM

Pseudoscientific garbage

BusyB · Tuesday at 08:22 AM

Doesn't really matter if you're in the here and now.

wombat · Tuesday at 08:23 AM

1 hour ago, Dionigi said:

Pseudoscientific garbage

Bingo.

Acharn · Tuesday at 11:51 AM

On 2/9/2025 at 3:32 PM, Confuscious said:

No way Jose.
If you are in Thailand, you live in 2568.
The 25th century.

If you live in a Muslim country, you live in the year 1447.

The middle ages.

If you have Alzheimer, you don't know in what year you live.

Sorry, 26th Century. The years from 0 -100 count as the first century, the years fron 101-200 are the second, etc.