Rising Anti-Israel Sentiments in Pai Following Tourists Misconduct

[Jingthing]

On 2/21/2025 at 8:27 AM, Sydebolle said:

Experience, simple as that! If it says Italian food it is very obvious, that this operator cannot offer kosher food.

Had a previous experience with another chosen gentleman who ordered a vegetable soup called "Minestrone". For taste this soup contains a little bit of minced pork. His dining partner mentioned that during eating the "excellent soup" (comment by the guest). Subsequently he spat out whatever he had in his mouth and refused to pay for the soup as he would have never ordered it, if he would have known that it contained minced pork. To avoid a lifelong argument I did not charge the guest and added in the menu the reference of "contains minced pork". 

If you have such tight religious diet then you either stay at home or dine only in "certified" restaurants which, in turn, charge a fortune as kosher is difficult if not almost impossible to get and also means extensive adjustments in the kitchen (different pans etc.). 

Your call! 

Leaving out pork doesn't make it Kosher. Not even close. Anyway, I find your use of "chosen" to be intentionally snarky, but in one sense I agree with you. If a customer has any kind of special dietary needs or allergies, it's up to them to make inquiries before ordering. In this example if he was told no pork and it did have pork then that would be fair grounds for complaint. To add, nobody is expecting actual Kosher food in general restaurants. People needing fully Kosher do their own research first to find the tiny number of places in Thailand that actually have that. Pretty much Chabad places and that's it. 

For Muslims on the other hand, I am no expert on all their rules (my impression is not as difficult as Kosher) but you often see restaurants posting signs that their meat is Halal. They wouldn't serve pork either. 

[Sydebolle]

19 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Leaving out pork doesn't make it Kosher. Not even close. Anyway, I find your use of "chosen" to be intentionally snarky, but in one sense I agree with you. If a customer has any kind of special dietary needs or allergies, it's up to them to make inquiries before ordering. In this example if he was told no pork and it did have pork then that would be fair grounds for complaint. To add, nobody is expecting actual Kosher food in general restaurants. People needing fully Kosher do their own research first to find the tiny number of places in Thailand that actually have that. Pretty much Chabad places and that's it. 

For Muslims on the other hand, I am no expert on all their rules (my impression is not as difficult as Kosher) but you often see restaurants posting signs that their meat is Halal. They wouldn't serve pork either. 

It is not the pork, the seafood (except fish), the entire "kosher" set-up of food preparation, cooking and the separate equipment needed for all this ....... it is an attitude problem by some very few of the clientele. Never had an issue with a Muslim as they simply don't order non-halal food nor drink alcohol, as there is plenty of acceptable alternatives for them. 

Nobody in his right mind would expect kosher food in an Italian restaurant like nobody would enter a kosher restaurant and ask for a pork chop with a creamy mushroom sauce. 

[Sydebolle]

19 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Calling Jews "chosen people" when criticizing them, what do you think? Banning them all after just one group upset you. All sounds a little more than just refusing to be a darling for everybody. - my point!

You may have your point in as much as I have my points. No other group, religious, ethnic, or by nationality, is of the firm belief, that they are special ....... except the "chosen" people. I - for one - never chose anyone in as much as I never ever did "promise land". It is an attitude problem which I never ever had with any other group of people whereas consistently and exclusively with a few Jews (not all of them luckily). 

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, Sydebolle said:

You may have your point in as much as I have my points. No other group, religious, ethnic, or by nationality, is of the firm belief, that they are special ....... except the "chosen" people. I - for one - never chose anyone in as much as I never ever did "promise land". It is an attitude problem which I never ever had with any other group of people whereas consistently and exclusively with a few Jews (not all of them luckily). 

 

   In the days of Paganism, before Religion was a thing thousands of years ago . 

 A group of people believed that they were chosen to follow Religion , follow Gods instructions and they called themselves Jews.

   God chose them to be religious .

A few thousand years later , Christians and Muslims both believed that it was THEM who was chosen to follow Gods instructions and not the Jews.

    

[Bkk Brian]

7 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

You may have your point in as much as I have my points. No other group, religious, ethnic, or by nationality, is of the firm belief, that they are special ....... except the "chosen" people. I - for one - never chose anyone in as much as I never ever did "promise land". It is an attitude problem which I never ever had with any other group of people whereas consistently and exclusively with a few Jews (not all of them luckily). 

Yes I believe you, the restaurant owner that banned Jews after an experience with one group.

[Nick Carter icp]

10 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

Nobody in his right mind would expect kosher food in an Italian restaurant like nobody would enter a kosher restaurant and ask for a pork chop with a creamy mushroom sauce. 

 

   Move on and forget about it , it was 15 years ago that some Israelis ordered Kosher food from your Italian restaurant 🙂

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Sydebolle said:

It is not the pork, the seafood (except fish), the entire "kosher" set-up of food preparation, cooking and the separate equipment needed for all this ....... it is an attitude problem by some very few of the clientele. Never had an issue with a Muslim as they simply don't order non-halal food nor drink alcohol, as there is plenty of acceptable alternatives for them. 

Nobody in his right mind would expect kosher food in an Italian restaurant like nobody would enter a kosher restaurant and ask for a pork chop with a creamy mushroom sauce. 

I don't believe you that even one customer demanded a strict Kosher kitchen from you!

If there was one, that person was basically insane.

It's obvious with your "chosen" schtick that you're another one with a bug up their arse about Jews in general. You're not fooling anyone, buddy.

Again to anyone who doesn't understand this, asking for no pork or no shellfish is NOT even close to demanding an actual Kosher kitchen. 

Even with Israeli food restaurants in Thailand, most are NOT full Kosher. Chabad ones are.

[off road pat]

On 2/10/2025 at 4:22 AM, RJRS1301 said:

Please understand that being anti- genocide is not anti- Semitism

Many Israelis are not Zionists

Most current Israelis are of European decent, not from Middle Eastern heritage and have no historical connection to the land

Most current Israelis have dual citizenship and can use (play) both passports at will !!

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, off road pat said:

Most current Israelis have dual citizenship 

 

   Could you provide a link to that claim ?

[Sydebolle]

22 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I don't believe you that even one customer demanded a strict Kosher kitchen from you!

If there was one, that person was basically insane.

It's obvious with your "chosen" schtick that you're another one with a bug up their arse about Jews in general. You're not fooling anyone, buddy.

Again to anyone who doesn't understand this, asking for no pork or no shellfish is NOT even close to demanding an actual Kosher kitchen. 

Even with Israeli food restaurants in Thailand, most are NOT full Kosher. Chabad ones are.

Lovely to hear from you again; I do not know the difference between kosher and chabad - both are not Italian kitchen expressions. I lived among lovely Jews who did NOT steam down my neck with "interesting" requests as I was a "Shabbat Goi" (look it up if you do know this expression) in my younger years. A Shabu Shabu shop does not sell sashimi, a Japanese not pizze and pasta and an Italian neither kosher, halal or any other non-Italian dishes. 

[Jingthing]

35 minutes ago, Sydebolle said:

Lovely to hear from you again; I do not know the difference between kosher and chabad - both are not Italian kitchen expressions. I lived among lovely Jews who did NOT steam down my neck with "interesting" requests as I was a "Shabbat Goi" (look it up if you do know this expression) in my younger years. A Shabu Shabu shop does not sell sashimi, a Japanese not pizze and pasta and an Italian neither kosher, halal or any other non-Italian dishes. 

Nothing interesting or complicated about asking for no pork. Chabad is a religious organization focused on providing community, Jewish rituals around the Sabbath holidays etc., and actual real Kosher foods internationally to observant Jews. So in a place with very few resident observant Jews such as Thailand Chabad is the primary source.

https://www.jewishthailand.com/templates/articlecco_cdo/aid/920640/jewish/About-Thailand.htm

[Evil Penevil]

19 hours ago, off road pat said:

Most current Israelis have dual citizenship and can use (play) both passports at will !!

 

On 2/9/2025 at 4:22 PM, RJRS1301 said:

Most current Israelis are of European decent, not from Middle Eastern heritage and have no historical connection to the land

 

  Both those statements are false.  When antisemitic tendencies cloud people's minds, they fall victim to all sorts of untrue claims.  The short answer is only a small minority of Israelis have dual citizenship and two passports, while the largest ethnic group in Israel (about 45%) consists of Mizrahi Jews whose ancestors came from the Middle East, i.e. North Africa and parts of Asia, including Israel itself. 

 

Only one-in-three Israeli Jews, or about 32%, are of Ashkenazi (European) background.  The ancestors of Ashkenazi Jews had been driven out of the Middle East in various waves, beginning with the Roman conquest of Judea.

 

One other fact needs to be mentioned.  Nearly 80% of Israeli Jews (four out of five)  are Sabra, i.e., were born in Israel.  If Israel ceased to exist and its citizens driven away, the Sabra would have no where to go,  That's why they fight so hard to preserve a homeland for the world's Jews.  Never again is today.

 

For those of you who get scared off by long posts,  I'll put the details  for the above, with links to sources, in a separate follow-up post.

 

 

[Evil Penevil]

Here's the long version of my post above. 

 

Official statistics don't exist on the number of Israelis with dual citizenship, but one expert group estimated in 2019 "about 10% of the country's population has dual citizenship."  https://www.dualcitizenshipreport.org/dual-citizenship/israel/  A 2018 paper in an academic journal stated roughly 344,000 Israelis held dual citizenship with an E.U. country.   https://journals.sagepub.com/doi/10.1111/imre.12017  

An article in The Times of Israel said about 200,000 Israelis also hold citizenship in the U.S.  https://www.timesofisrael.com/a-nightmare-us-passport-crunch-for-dual-citizens-in-israel-among-most-severe/   That figure includes U.S. Jews who emigrated to Israel and Israelis who acquired U.S. citizenship.  

 

Bottom line:   Only a small minority of Israel's 7.2 million Jewish citizens have dual citizenship and hold two passports.

 

A myth that habitually makes the rounds on social media claims all Jews automatically become Israeli citizens.  In fact,  Jews from any country have to meet the stipulations of the Israeli Law of Return and live in Israel for a certain period of time to acquire Israeli citizenship.  Children born outside Israel to an Israeli parent, however, are considered Israeli citizens from birth.

 

No official statistics are published on the ethnic background of Israeli Jews, but an academic study in 2015 indicated the following breakdown:    Mizrahi, 44.9%;  Ashkenazi, 31.8%; USSR, 12.4%; Mixed, 7.9%; Ethiopian, 3.0%.  The "U.S.S.R." category included citizens of the former Soviet Union who, due to their ancestry, qualified for immigration to Israel under the Law of Return  but had never practiced the Jewish religion or observed customs such as circumcision. These highly secular Jews often didn't a Jewish lifestyle after arrival in Israel and were considered "Jews without religion."

 

DNA studies have confirmed modern Jewish populations across the globe have a shared ancestry in the Middle East.  The population genetics of the Jewish people.  https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC3543766/

 Ultimately, Jews are descendants of the Hebrew and Israelite peoples who lived in Biblical times in the area which became the state of Israel.  

 

Bottom line:  Today's Jews are of are of Middle Eastern heritage and have strong historical ties to Israel.

 

On 2/9/2025 at 4:22 PM, RJRS1301 said:

Many Israelis are not Zionists

 

That depends on what definition is used for "many" and "Zionist."  How many is "many?"  What is a Zionist?  Until we have a clear definition of those two words, it's impossible to say whether many or few Israelis are not Zionist. There's  also a huge difference between not supporting Zionism and actively opposing Zionism.  Israeli Jews can  vehemently disagree with the  policies of the Netanyahu government but still support Israel as the homeland of the world's Jews.

 

Generally speaking, the Jewish religious and secular groups which self-identify as anti-Zionist are located outside Israel.

 

[Jingthing]

23 hours ago, off road pat said:

Most current Israelis have dual citizenship and can use (play) both passports at will !!

Garbage lie. 

[Jingthing]

On 2/10/2025 at 4:22 AM, RJRS1301 said:

Please understand that being anti- genocide is not anti- Semitism

Many Israelis are not Zionists

Most current Israelis are of European decent, not from Middle Eastern heritage and have no historical connection to the land

All Jews have a historical connection to Israel.

Of course Jew haters work overtime to deny that.

Also of course, most Israelis are NOT of European descent.

I get it that so many people believe the garbage you are spewing, but that's what it is -- garbage.