BREAKING NEWS Trump Signals Potential Meeting with Putin in Saudi Arabia Amid Ukraine War Talks

[scottiejohn]

4 minutes ago, mogandave said:

 By Putin or Musk? 

 

Would Musk not stand to make more money if  the Russia-Ukraine war went on indefinitely?

Putin even overrides Musk in this triumvirate!

[scottiejohn]

22 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Did Putin illegally invade Ukraine?

There is only one logical and truthful answer to that question;

 

YES

[zmisha]

The meeting place may change several times. Z guys are hoping that the meeting will be in the Kremlin. In that case, tovarisch Trump will have to wait for Vladimir on a very small, uncomfortable chair near the door.

[Simon1287]

As someone who has, obviously been aware of the situation since the beginning, as we all are, but never looked at it very carefully it would be interesting to hear from the chaps that actually do know far more about what’s going on out there.

 

My view (the view of someone who knows nothing more than what casual readings on the internet have shown him): Ukraine is never, ever and ever going to get the Russians out of what the Russians now consider to be theirs. I see that as a fact which obv Trump does too so whatever happens next has to have that fact taken into account. Anything that does not take that into account may as well not even start. 

 

Any other way of thinking is condemning untold more 1000’s upon 1000’s to misery and death for nothing more than the profits of the munitions and medical supplies manufacturers and the multi nationals just waiting in the wings for the huge contracts that will be available for the eventual rebuilding. 

 

If there is a way to end it now with any certainty so millions of people can get back to something less horrific then it has to be considered. 

 

Putin will never give up what he's taken so far. He would sooner die. To do so would be to admit defeat and that the whole god awful thing was a total waste of everything. He will simply continue fighting until all he has left to use are weapons that must never be used.

 

The Ukrainians have been astounding in their bravery and tenacity but it’s everyone else that is paying to continue the war so everyone else has just as much right to decide what happens next as they do. Probably more so. As with everything else in life, you pay, you choose. 

 

No need to jump down my throat over this I am just saying what casual observations lead me to think and I am very curious see what people who have taken far more interest in this subject than I have say is the actual situation so I can be enlightened.

 

I wait with true and genuine interest.

 

Simon

[Hanaguma]

37 minutes ago, Simon1287 said:

As someone who has, obviously been aware of the situation since the beginning, as we all are, but never looked at it very carefully it would be interesting to hear from the chaps that actually do know far more about what’s going on out there.

 

My view (the view of someone who knows nothing more than what casual readings on the internet have shown him): Ukraine is never, ever and ever going to get the Russians out of what the Russians now consider to be theirs. I see that as a fact which obv Trump does too so whatever happens next has to have that fact taken into account. Anything that does not take that into account may as well not even start. 

 

Any other way of thinking is condemning untold more 1000’s upon 1000’s to misery and death for nothing more than the profits of the munitions and medical supplies manufacturers and the multi nationals just waiting in the wings for the huge contracts that will be available for the eventual rebuilding. 

 

If there is a way to end it now with any certainty so millions of people can get back to something less horrific then it has to be considered. 

 

Putin will never give up what he's taken so far. He would sooner die. To do so would be to admit defeat and that the whole god awful thing was a total waste of everything. He will simply continue fighting until all he has left to use are weapons that must never be used.

 

The Ukrainians have been astounding in their bravery and tenacity but it’s everyone else that is paying to continue the war so everyone else has just as much right to decide what happens next as they do. Probably more so. As with everything else in life, you pay, you choose. 

 

No need to jump down my throat over this I am just saying what casual observations lead me to think and I am very curious see what people who have taken far more interest in this subject than I have say is the actual situation so I can be enlightened.

 

I wait with true and genuine interest.

 

Simon

Simon makes sense. Of course nobody wants to see a bully profit from their aggression. But the cost of returning to status quo ante is more than the game is worth. 

 

Is Ukraine worth a potential World War 3 between NATO and Russia? That is the bottom line. Because the Ukranians won't be able to expell the Russians from their territory otherwise. They will only gradually lose more and more territory and more and more lives. 

 

Ukraine isnt a NATO member, or EU member, was never actually a free and democratic country. I don't think it is worth the expenditure of blood and treasure to make them whole. So they lose some land, gain some security guarantees, and move forward. 

[Patong2021]

8 hours ago, John Drake said:

And this is one of the reasons I don't trust Trump, despite the things I've seen DOGE undertake that I like. Trump folds too easily internationally. He did so with China in his first term. And now he's looking incredibly soft by taking up Russian positions on the war in Ukraine. I don't mind reducing US military aid to Ukraine. In fact, the US needs for the Europeans to make Ukraine their project, not America's. But the US needs to stand firm against Putin for no other reason than he is China's foremost ally. In reality, the US needs to focus on East Asia and China and redeploy as much as possible to the Philippines and Japan. The Euros have made clear that they'll not help us in the Pacific, with the Germans, French, and British already moving to accommodate China. So maintain sanctions on Russia and provide some minor material support to Ukraine until Russia loses. But the Europeans need to step up themselves.

 

The G7 member economies  that the USA has declared financial  hostilities with, will indeed step up to look after themselves  and that will come with a pivot to China as you mention. Canada will be forced into selling more oil to  China, and perhaps an eventual switch away from the USA. It will move to normalize relations with China and build stronger economic ties to latin america.  The EU will normalize with China as well and look to  replace  USA trade with Chinese and Asian trade growth. The end result is that China's influence will grow, while the USA's shrinks. The USA is alienating both Canada and the EU. The impact will be seen in the decades to come as the USA's largest trading partners turn away from the USA. It won't matter to most Trump voters, because a large number will be dead by then. The influence of the USA will be  like a fireworks that launches, explodes with great force and then comes crashing down in  a puff of smoke.

[mogandave]

9 hours ago, scottiejohn said:

Why?

 

If Ukrainians want to fight for their liberty why are you, Trump and his supporters so keen to hand it to Putin?

[spidermike007]

It appears that this man who is one of the worst negotiators on the planet, is prepared to give away the store yet again. Entering into negotiations on Ukraine without Ukraine, and offering his dear friend Putin all the territory that they've gained so far in this ridiculous war, and denying Ukraine NATO membership, with virtually nothing in the way of concessions.

 

Is that the sign of a great negotiator? 

 

My question is why aren't people more angry about the way this fool has conducted his first month in office. He seems to be attempting to dismantle the world order at his own whim, and very few people seem to be fighting back. He is threatening both National Security and World security at this point and needs to be stopped. 

[mogandave]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It appears that this man who is one of the worst negotiators on the planet, is prepared to give away the store yet again. Entering into negotiations on Ukraine without Ukraine, and offering his dear friend Putin all the territory that they've gained so far in this ridiculous war, and denying Ukraine NATO membership, with virtually nothing in the way of concessions.

 

Is that the sign of a great negotiator? 

 

My question is why aren't people more angry about the way this fool has conducted his first month in office. He seems to be attempting to dismantle the world order at his own whim, and very few people seem to be fighting back. He is threatening both National Security and World security at this point and needs to be stopped. 

He is doing what he told the people that voted for him what he was going to do. 

 

You seem more obsessed and buffoonish each day.

 

 

[riclag]

4 hours ago, mogandave said:

If Ukrainians want to fight for their liberty why are you, Trump and his supporters so keen to hand it to Putin?

I admire the bald headed Smurfs ability to keep out the barbarians .

 

“The state treats Muslim migrants from Central Asia as potential security threats, in contrast to Russian Muslims and non-Muslim migrant groups. But the nation's need for cheap labor permits them to migrate to Russia on condition that they assimilate into Russian society and culture”.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=4421692#:~:text=The state treats Muslim migrants,into Russian society and culture.

 

 

[Yellowtail]

How much "territory" has Russia gained since Obama left office? 

[Hanaguma]

3 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It appears that this man who is one of the worst negotiators on the planet, is prepared to give away the store yet again. Entering into negotiations on Ukraine without Ukraine, and offering his dear friend Putin all the territory that they've gained so far in this ridiculous war, and denying Ukraine NATO membership, with virtually nothing in the way of concessions.

 

Is that the sign of a great negotiator? 

 

My question is why aren't people more angry about the way this fool has conducted his first month in office. He seems to be attempting to dismantle the world order at his own whim, and very few people seem to be fighting back. He is threatening both National Security and World security at this point and needs to be stopped. 

So, as many have asked, what is YOUR alternative? Ukraine cannot win back their territory without direct military intervention (troops and air power) from NATO.  Do you support this?

 

In war, sometimes the bad guy wins. The best WE can do is minimize the effect.

[Dirk Z]

So we have two criminals, self-declared world leaders, doing business over countries that don't belong to them? I have always seen the US as a reliable ally with checks and balances. In no time it has changed to a traitor. Disappointed hardly covers the feeling. It's disgust over this orange kcuf face with his smug grin, thinking he can "do it all".

[kimothai]

On 2/13/2025 at 2:33 PM, Emdog said:

Trump spokespeople have already said that Putin will get land and Ukraine will not join Nato. Giving away all the bargaining chips before even sitting down to negotiate is not wise.

Is Ukraine going to be key player in this?

Trump had that absurd mid east peace plan that Jared cobbled together that did not include Palestinians. Gee, that sure did the trick, didn't it?

This new song and dance cut from the same whole cloth

OK, since you declared Trump's plan absurd, what is your plan?  Just curious.

[mogandave]

2 hours ago, Yellowtail said:

How much "territory" has Russia gained since Obama left office? 

None. It’s just the left did not care when Obama let Putin take it.

[RocketDog]

I'm so tired of articles that start out with headlines like this.

Look, the man gets up in the morning and opens his mouth and a bunch of crap falls out.

 

It happens every day and it will continue happening for quite a while.But there's no reason to take any of it very seriously.

 

Of course he does do a lot of bad things but there's no reason to believe that these were plans that he had.

 

He just likes to make commotion and gain attention.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Hanaguma said:

So, as many have asked, what is YOUR alternative? Ukraine cannot win back their territory without direct military intervention (troops and air power) from NATO.  Do you support this?

 

In war, sometimes the bad guy wins. The best WE can do is minimize the effect.

 

Imo the EU, NATO and the majority of the individual member states have mishandled the relationship with Russia. Putin's intentions were clear from, at least, 2014 and a strong response was required then. Unfortunately, it did not happen.

 

You state, quite correctly imo, that Ukraine cannot now win without direct NATO military intervention. Imo the possibility of this happening should be an option.

 

Therefore, rather than Trump's opening gambit being effectively appeasement, I would have preferred the telephone call to have progressed along the following lines: I (Trump) recognise 1) that you (Putin) have a genuine concern regarding the treatment of Russian speakers in the Donbass and that there should be measures taken to safeguard their safety and to ensure that they are represented fully in the decision-making process in the region 2) you have a genuine concern regarding the strategic importance of Crimea and measures should be enacted to ensure that Russia does not feel threatened in this region 3) you have concerns about the possibility of Ukraine becoming a member of NATO. While I strongly believe in the right of self-determination (both for Ukraine and NATO), I again accept that you have a genuine concern. Again, discussions can be held to attempt to alleviate your fears.

 

In order for any discussions to take place there has to be an immediate cessation of hostilities. During the ceasefire, existing terrorital positions will be maintained. However, it should not be assumed that the initial positions will be the starting point for negotiations. Indeed, my view is that the pre-war borders should be re-established. If you do not accept these conditions then we will have no alternative but to deploy NATO resources directly in order to support Ukraine.

 

Do I think that this will happen? No. Do I think that it should happen? A guarded 'Yes' but I recognise that it is a strategy fraught with danger (of uncontrollable) escalation. Moreover - and you are more knowledgeable about this aspect than me - the US political establishment (and public?) may well not support it. 

 

However, you did ask for alternatives.

[zmisha]

7 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

It appears that this man who is one of the worst negotiators on the planet, is prepared to give away the store yet again. Entering into negotiations on Ukraine without Ukraine, and offering his dear friend Putin all the territory that they've gained so far in this ridiculous war, and denying Ukraine NATO membership, with virtually nothing in the way of concessions.

It is very good that the enemy also thinks so. The problem is that Trump cannot fool the Russians and tell you the truth at the same time without the risk of being exposed. The info space is united - remember this.

[spidermike007]

2 hours ago, kimothai said:

OK, since you declared Trump's plan absurd, what is your plan?  Just curious.

Make sure a good negotiator is in charge, and keep Trump as far away from the negotiating table as possible. As many of us know he is one of the worst negotiators on the planet, and he tends to cave in to dictators and despots. He's shown a history of that in his first Administration. 

[Phulublub]

5 hours ago, mogandave said:

He is doing what he told the people that voted for him what he was going to do. 

 

You seem more obsessed and buffoonish each day.

 

 

No he hasn't.  He said he would end the war the day he was elected...

 

PH

[mogandave]

Just now, Phulublub said:

No he hasn't.  He said he would end the war the day he was elected...

 

PH

And he is trying to end the war. 

 

Where did he say “I promise the war will be over on day one”? 

 

He didn’t. 

 

In any event, he’s batting 900 as far as I’m concerned.

[mogandave]

18 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Make sure a good negotiator is in charge, and keep Trump as far away from the negotiating table as possible. As many of us know he is one of the worst negotiators on the planet, and he tends to cave in to dictators and despots. He's shown a history of that in his first Administration. 

So you have no plan, 

 

Maybe send Tim Walz…

[Phulublub]

The trouble with giving Putin what it wants is that next time he does the same (more of Ukraine? Moldova?  Latvia? A bit of Poland?) does everyone look the other way....and the time after that.

 

And for those who say "Poland, Latvia are in NATO"- do we all think it a certainty that a USA under Trump would uphold Article 5 (which, let us not forget, has been invoked exactly ONCE snce NATO was formed and for who?  Yes - the rest of NATO stood with USA after 9/11)

 

PH

[Phulublub]

6 minutes ago, mogandave said:

And he is trying to end the war. 

 

Where did he say “I promise the war will be over on day one”? 

 

He didn’t. 

 

In any event, he’s batting 900 as far as I’m concerned.

From his own mouth:

 

[scottiejohn]

11 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Where did he say “I promise the war will be over on day one”? 

Russia-Ukraine war can't be settled in one day, Russia's UN official says | AP News

[spidermike007]

9 minutes ago, mogandave said:

So you have no plan, 

 

Maybe send Tim Walz…

Giving away all the territory that Russia has gained, asking Ukraine to not join NATO and getting absolutely nothing in return is not a plan.

 

If you think it's a plan then your fealty is unlimited. 

[mogandave]

10 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

From his own mouth:

 

 

 

 

He does not use the word “promise”, 

 

And again, he’s trying. 

 

And again, as far as I’m concerned, he’s batting 900.

[mogandave]

7 minutes ago, spidermike007 said:

Giving away all the territory that Russia has gained, asking Ukraine to not join NATO and getting absolutely nothing in return is not a plan.

 

If you think it's a plan then your fealty is unlimited. 

What territory has Russia gained since Obama left office? 

 

Why did the left not care that Obama let him take it back then?

 

You have no idea what his plan is. 

[Lacessit]

6 minutes ago, mogandave said:

What territory has Russia gained since Obama left office? 

 

Why did the left not care that Obama let him take it back then?

 

You have no idea what his plan is. 

Neither do you, and neither does Trump. Bloviator in chief.

 

Remind me - what happened to the plan he had 9 years ago to fix America's health system?

[mogandave]

2 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

Neither do you, and neither does Trump. Bloviator in chief.

 

Remind me - what happened to the plan he had 9 years ago to fix America's health system?

Poor, poor lefty.