Musk targets Social Security with blatant misinformation

[candide]

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

So three years and how much in blood and treasure for what?

Try to keep up!

Trump said Ukraine started the war 3 years ago.

[mogandave]

4 minutes ago, candide said:

Try to keep up!

Trump said Ukraine started the war 3 years ago.

And he said there were good Nazis. 

 

In any event, three years and how much in blood and treasure for what?

[Dan O]

On 2/18/2025 at 11:44 AM, cdemundo said:

Disregarding feelings about Musk and about any other posters on AN,

I have a deep, sincere, heartfelt attachment to my Social Security Retirement payment.

 

I starting paying into the fund at age 14 and now I expect to get my benefits as promised.

 

Although I know that not everyone who joins in these discussion about US politics collects Social Security benefits (some of the most active are apparently old hens from New Zealand) in my opinion many would do well to put politics aside and focus on what is really important and significant in human life.

 

Money.

 

Don't let anyone muck with the benefit that I funded through payroll deductions for my whole working  life.

 

If Jesus, Buddha, and Jerry Garcia were on a committee that was trying to get at my Social Security I would still feel the same way.

This is not personal or political.

It's about the money.

 

 

I would also recommend that people not just stay current about whats going on but becoming vocal about it if some of the comments that have being made on some changes move forward. One of which is challenging the benefits paid to people living outside the US.

 

The GOP also have court cases in several states to attempt to limit voting g rights of some citizen groups living outside the USA.

[mogandave]

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

I would also recommend that people not just stay current about whats going on but becoming vocal about it if some of the comments that have being made on some changes move forward. One of which is challenging the benefits paid to people living outside the US.

No one is challenging benefits legitimately paid to citizens outside the US.

1 minute ago, Dan O said:

 

The GOP also have court cases in several states to attempt to limit voting g rights of some citizen groups living outside the USA.

I do not believe you, unless you are talking about limiting the voting rights of the dead people on SS roles.

 

do you have a few case numbers? 

 

 

[pomchop]

which way is wind blowing today...no cuts, cuts, no cuts, cuts...why should anyone believe anything said??? it can change in an instant according to a whim.

 

a celebration of ignorance

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/19/senate-medicaid-cuts-trump-00205042

[SunnyinBangrak]

1 hour ago, pomchop said:

which way is wind blowing today...no cuts, cuts, no cuts, cuts...why should anyone believe anything said??? it can change in an instant according to a whim.

 

a celebration of ignorance

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2025/02/19/senate-medicaid-cuts-trump-00205042

Serious obervers no longer use Politico after they were busted being state paid propaganda. Hard to find reliable sources these days, but state propaganda is clearly unreliable. 1/2 the country knew Politico was garbage after Natasha Bertrands infamous 51 intel experts nonsense election interference, the other half now know too but insist on still using it. Not helpful.

[candide]

1 hour ago, mogandave said:

And he said there were good Nazis. 

 

In any event, three years and how much in blood and treasure for what?

In any case, Trump lied again and relayed Russian disinformation.

What do you think about it?

[SunnyinBangrak]

3 minutes ago, candide said:

In any case, Trump lied again and relayed Russian disinformation.

What do you think about it?

People(liars) that purposely cut Trump "and Im not talking about the Nazis which deserve condemnation" to obnoxiously crow Trump Praised Nazis have no place lecturing others about lies and disinformation. Fair enough surely?

[mogandave]

2 minutes ago, candide said:

In any case, Trump lied again and relayed Russian disinformation.

What do you think about it?

I think you are incorrect in your assessment. 

 

What you think, US boots on the ground and on to Moscow? 

 

How was this going to play out had Harris won? 

 

What would you have Trump do about Ukraine?

 

Would calling Putin names and praising Zelinski do it for you?

[candide]

1 minute ago, mogandave said:

I think you are incorrect in your assessment. 

 

What you think, US boots on the ground and on to Moscow? 

 

How was this going to play out had Harris won? 

 

What would you have Trump do about Ukraine?

 

Would calling Putin names and praising Zelinski do it for you?

Deflect deflect deflect! 

 

There was no need for Trump to relay Russian disinformation.

[candide]

15 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

People(liars) that purposely cut Trump "and Im not talking about the Nazis which deserve condemnation" to obnoxiously crow Trump Praised Nazis have no place lecturing others about lies and disinformation. Fair enough surely?

You mean liars like the left wing NYPost? 😆

https://nypost.com/2025/02/19/world-news/ukrainians-fear-shocking-trump-claim-could-spur-russia-to-invade-kyiv-is-the-us-still-a-friend/

 

Where did you find this quote about Nazis?

[candide]

32 minutes ago, SunnyinBangrak said:

Serious obervers no longer use Politico after they were busted being state paid propaganda. Hard to find reliable sources these days, but state propaganda is clearly unreliable. 1/2 the country knew Politico was garbage after Natasha Bertrands infamous 51 intel experts nonsense election interference, the other half now know too but insist on still using it. Not helpful.

More debunked propaganda lies diffused by you. 😆

Subscription to a service also subscribed by plenty of other organisation is not paid propaganda! 

[mogandave]

9 minutes ago, candide said:

Deflect deflect deflect! 

 

There was no need for Trump to relay Russian disinformation.

Again, 

What you think, US boots on the ground and on to Moscow? 

 

How was this going to play out had Harris won? 

 

What would you have Trump do about Ukraine?

 

Would calling Putin names and praising Zelinski do it for you?

 

Can you not stop obsessing on Trump to answer a question? 

 

Like all leftists, all you do is throw rocks. You have absolutely no idea what Trump should do. 

 

Stay the course until the last Ukrainian is dead, right?

[NoDisplayName]

2 hours ago, candide said:

If only Russia hadn't intervened in Donbass and Donestk, arguing it did not sign the agreement and therefore had no obligation to respect it. 😆

 

BTW, Trump said 3 years ago! 

 

If only Ukraine hadn't shelled the Donbass for eight years.........

If only Ukraine had implemented the Minsk agreements.

If only Germany and UK hadn't admitted the agreement was just a stalling tactic to get more war materials in place.....

 

Gosh, if only.

[candide]

12 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

If only Ukraine hadn't shelled the Donbass for eight years.........

If only Ukraine had implemented the Minsk agreements.

If only Germany and UK hadn't admitted the agreement was just a stalling tactic to get more war materials in place.....

 

Gosh, if only.

If only Russia hadn't not been directly involved in the Donbass from the start so that the Minsk agreements were useless as Russia was not a signatory of the Minsk agreement. You are completely knew sided. The Minsk agreements have never been respected by Russia and its proxies.

 

Gosh, if only Russia hadn't not invaded Ukraine! You also forgot this slight detail! 🤣

[frank83628]

So what about possibly gettIing 20% of what doge saves, I heard 5000 each... or woild you refuse because Trump?

 

 

[candide]

20 minutes ago, mogandave said:

Again, 

What you think, US boots on the ground and on to Moscow? 

 

How was this going to play out had Harris won? 

 

What would you have Trump do about Ukraine?

 

Would calling Putin names and praising Zelinski do it for you?

 

Can you not stop obsessing on Trump to answer a question? 

 

Like all leftists, all you do is throw rocks. You have absolutely no idea what Trump should do. 

 

Stay the course until the last Ukrainian is dead, right?

Why does Trump need to relay Russian disinformation to solve this conflict?

 

Can you not stop deflecting and answer this simple question?

[candide]

1 minute ago, frank83628 said:

So what about possibly gettIing 20% of what doge saves, I heard 5000 each... or woild you refuse because Trump?

 

 

Trump's promises! 😆

[frank83628]

Just now, candide said:

Why does Trump need to relay Russian disinformation to solve this conflict?

 

Can you not stop deflecting and answer this simple question?

Who says he is relaying it, how about what you hear is western disinformation?

[NoDisplayName]

6 minutes ago, candide said:

If only Russia hadn't not been directly involved in the Donbass from the start so that the Minsk agreements were useless as Russia was not a signatory of the Minsk agreement. You are completely knew sided. The Minsk agreements have never been respected by Russia and its proxies.

 

Gosh, if only Russia hadn't not invaded Ukraine! You also forgot this slight detail! 🤣

 

Deflect, deflect, deflect!

 

The Minsk agreements were a sham, never intended to be implemented, were simply killing time while Ukraine killed more Donbass ethnicans.

[swissie]

There is a war going on. The rich against the poor. We, the rich are winning.

Warren Buffet.

[frank83628]

12 minutes ago, candide said:

Trump's promises! 😆

That's where you guys go wrong and instantly claim  he is a liar, he never 'promised' anything it was an idea, a possibility.

But still you'd turn down 5k because you hate trump so much

[candide]

15 minutes ago, NoDisplayName said:

 

Deflect, deflect, deflect!

 

The Minsk agreements were a sham, never intended to be implemented, were simply killing time while Ukraine killed more Donbass ethnicans.

Delect deflect deflect.

It's Russia which invaded Ukraine.

Russia and its proxies never respected the Minsk agreement 

[candide]

7 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

That's where you guys go wrong and instantly claim  he is a liar, he never 'promised' anything it was an idea, a possibility.

But still you'd turn down 5k because you hate trump so much

We can agree that we should not take it seriously, as is often the case with Trump's tweets!

[NoDisplayName]

10 minutes ago, candide said:

Delect deflect deflect.

It's Russia which invaded Ukraine.

Russia and its proxies never respected the Minsk agreement 

 

If the signatories don't implement the agreement, what are non-signatories to make of that?  Never implemented, never took deflect.

[mogandave]

29 minutes ago, candide said:

Why does Trump need to relay Russian disinformation to solve this conflict?

He doesn’t need to.

29 minutes ago, candide said:

 

Can you not stop deflecting and answer this simple question?

 

Okay, I answered it. Now you:

 

Again, 

 

What you think, US boots on the ground and on to Moscow? 

 

How was this going to play out had Harris won? 

 

What would you have Trump do about Ukraine?

 

Would calling Putin names and praising Zelinski do it for you?

 

Can you not stop obsessing on Trump to answer a question? 

 

Stay the course until the last Ukrainian is dead, right?

 

Like all leftists, all you do is throw rocks. You have absolutely no idea what Trump should do. 

 

[Dan O]

3 hours ago, mogandave said:

No one is challenging benefits legitimately paid to citizens outside the US.

I do not believe you, unless you are talking about limiting the voting rights of the dead people on SS roles.

 

do you have a few case numbers? 

 

 

Google is your friend then you can pick the website that shows you the I fo and you cant blame propaganda on on or the site. 

[frank83628]

40 minutes ago, candide said:

Delect deflect deflect.

It's Russia which invaded Ukraine.

Russia and its proxies never respected the Minsk agreement 

Seriously ??

[John Drake]

1 hour ago, frank83628 said:

So what about possibly gettIing 20% of what doge saves, I heard 5000 each... or woild you refuse because Trump?

 

 

 

If everybody else is getting it, I certainly intend to get mine. Absolutely. But I can recognize that this will go down just like the Covid stimulus and fuel inflation three times as much as then. If we have an emergency to reduce the debt, this money should be applied to that.

[SunnyinBangrak]

2 minutes ago, John Drake said:

 

If everybody else is getting it, I certainly intend to get mine. Absolutely. But I can recognize that this will go down just like the Covid stimulus and fuel inflation three times as much as then. If we have an emergency to reduce the debt, this money should be applied to that.

The hardcore resistance to Trump saving taxpayers from bring defrauded should refuse to accept any money back from DOGE savings. This will serve as an honesty test. Those that denied the frauds existence and banged on about orange hitler this and that and Musk's a liar etc etc would be embarrassed to take this money that they denied existed, that is unless they were just mindlessly regurgitating Maddows fantasies.