The Unwavering Support for Hamas: A Moral Blind Spot

[Bkk Brian]

6 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

 

That appears to be a biased paraphrasing of a biased article,

Deflection video of the statement here

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, SMIAI said:

 

How do you know that the Palestinians would not agree to it? How come you are speaking for them?

 

   Because they have never agreed to it ever , and they haven't indicated they they will change their minds about that .

    Are you new to this subject ?

[Eric Loh]

2 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Because they have never agreed to it ever , and they haven't indicated they they will change their minds about that .

    Are you new to this subject ?

The PLO accepted the concept of a two state solution and Hamas announced their revised charter to accept the idea of a Palestine state within the 1967 borders. 

[hotsun]

10 minutes ago, connda said:

The Middle East in one easy lesson:
 

Israel has the ear of Western main-stream media, so therefore, whatever they say is true is true.
Palestinians and Levant Arabs don't have the ear of Western main-stream media, so therefore, whatever they say is true is false.

 

 

 

I guess you arent counting the BBC, what most Europeans get their info from

[SMIAI]

7 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   Because they have never agreed to it ever , and they haven't indicated they they will change their minds about that .

    Are you new to this subject ?

 

I'm not new to it and I'm not sure that I AM allowed to discuss it here 😊

[Chomper Higgot]

 

 

5 hours ago, Social Media said:

This reluctance to speak out against Hamas is not confined to the realm of international diplomacy or human rights organisations. It is also present in our own communities. Many reading this will likely know friends, colleagues, or acquaintances who have been outspoken about Palestinian suffering but have remained eerily silent when it comes to the grotesque slaughter of Jewish children and the desecration of their corpses.  

 

Perhaps we need a standardized statement unequivocally condemning Hamas as a heinous terrorist organization and the attack by Hamas on innocent Jews and others in Israel as the heinous terrorist act that it was.

 

It’s a clear statement that I and many critics of Israel’s war on Gaza have frequently made, so not at all contentious.

 

We might then append that statement to any and all criticism of Israel’s war in Gaza or any statement on the rights of Palestinians.

We could even have law requiring the statement to always be included when discussing anything about the plight of Palestinians or the conduct of the war in Gaza.

 

 

 

[Eric Loh]

9 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Deflection video of the statement here

Khalil al-Hayya is a Hamas official that has no political power to make political decision for the Palestine. 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

The PLO accepted the concept of a two state solution and Hamas announced their revised charter to accept the idea of a Palestine state within the 1967 borders. 

Hamas has never accepted an Israeli state. Their only mission is to wipe out Israel

 

" In 2017, Hamas announced their revised charter, which claims to accept the idea of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, but without recognising the statehood of Israel."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

 

I'm not new to it and I'm not sure that I AM allowed to discuss it here 😊

 

   You are pushing your luck 

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, Eric Loh said:

Khalil al-Hayya is a Hamas official that has no political power to make political decision for the Palestine. 

He led the Hamas ceasefire agreements..........lol

[Eric Loh]

1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hamas has never accepted an Israeli state. Their only mission is to wipe out Israel

 

" In 2017, Hamas announced their revised charter, which claims to accept the idea of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, but without recognising the statehood of Israel."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

Israel don't recognize the Palstine state. Do not meant that Israel will wipe out Palestine. Am I right? 

[SMIAI]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Hamas has never accepted an Israeli state. Their only mission is to wipe out Israel

 

" In 2017, Hamas announced their revised charter, which claims to accept the idea of a Palestinian state within the 1967 borders, but without recognising the statehood of Israel."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two-state_solution

 

The other side don't accept a Palestinian state either and in addition want to control all of the land. Why make it sound that the Palestinian side is unreasonable, when in fact they are perhaps just wanting the same things?

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

Israel don't recognize the Palstine state. Do not meant that Israel will wipe out Palestine. Am I right? 

Stick to the facts

 

Hamas constantly says it wants to wipe out Israel and had a go at it on Oct 7th!! Stop the Hamas apologist rhetoric its vile. 

[Eric Loh]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

He led the Hamas ceasefire agreements..........lol

 

4 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

He led the Hamas ceasefire agreements..........lol

Yes he was Hamas official and rightfully involved in the ceasefire agreement. But he don't have the political position for Palestine. 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

43 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

They support Palestinians not hamas

 

 

Do Palestinians support Hamas, because they have been their elected government since 2006, and thousands of them seem happy to be filmed cheering and supporting them ?

 

Are all Hamas terrorists Palestinians ?

 

You need some moral clarity if you think you can just cite some that do not support Hamas, because many appear to, some of them even assisting with the carnage of 7 Oct 2023; but I understand the perfunctory disclaimer that the antisemites need to use.

 

 

[Bkk Brian]

Just now, Eric Loh said:

 

Yes he was Hamas official and rightfully involved in the ceasefire agreement. But he don't have the political position for Palestine. 

He's a Palestinian politician who has served as the deputy chairman of the Hamas Political Bureau since August 2024.

 

You really need to brush up on your research 

[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

 

The other side don't accept a Palestinian state either and in addition want to control all of the land. Why make it sound that the Palestinian side is unreasonable, when in fact they are perhaps just wanting the same things?

Who is the official gov of Gaza?

[Nick Carter icp]

1 minute ago, SMIAI said:

 

The other side don't accept a Palestinian state either and in addition want to control all of the land. Why make it sound that the Palestinian side is unreasonable, when in fact they are perhaps just wanting the same things?

 

   You are new to this topic . 

Israel has accepted a Palestinian state and its the Palestinians who rejected a state for themselves .

    Israel would have accepted a Palestinians state now , if their security was assured .

   But because Palestinians will keep attacking Israel as long as Israel exists , Israel cannot accept a Palestinian state for self security reasons 

[SMIAI]

2 minutes ago, Eloquent pilgrim said:

 

 

Do Palestinians support Hamas, because they have been their elected government since 2006, and thousands of them seem happy to be filmed cheering and supporting them ?

 

Are all Hamas terrorists Palestinians ?

 

You need some moral clarity if you think you can just cite some that do not support Hamas, because many appear to, some of them even assisting with the carnage of 7 Oct 2023; but I understand the perfunctory disclaimer that the antisemites need to use.

 

 

 

So by your reckoning, all Americans should suffer because some of them voted for a particular candidate? What about those who didn't vote for the HAMAS political wing? 

Try to stop this collective blaming/collective punishment mindset. It's unhealthy.

 

[Nick Carter icp]

5 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Perhaps we need a standardized statement unequivocally condemning Hamas as a heinous terrorist organization and the attack by Hamas on innocent Jews and others in Israel as the heinous terrorist act that it was.

 

 

   The usual Palestinian supporters have been very quiet this last week .

In the threads about Hamas handing back the deceased baby hostages (which is an actual war crime itself) and handing back the wrong bodies.

    The usual Palestinian supporters must have been in a Temple meditating for the week   

[Summerinsiam]

But, but Hamas... Hamas would not exist if arab land had not been stolen and illeglly occupied.

[SMIAI]

3 minutes ago, Nick Carter icp said:

 

   You are new to this topic . 

Israel has accepted a Palestinian state and its the Palestinians who rejected a state for themselves .

    Israel would have accepted a Palestinians state now , if their security was assured .

   But because Palestinians will keep attacking Israel as long as Israel exists , Israel cannot accept a Palestinian state for self security reasons 

 

Please demonstrate when and where this happened? 1948?

This is the kind of mistruth that is spread to make it appear that the Palestinian people are unreasonable.

Please demonstrate the timeline and dates in so your statements can be checked. Or they should be removed as false/unverified statements.

 

[SMIAI]

1 minute ago, Nick Carter icp said:

The usual Palestinian supporters have been very quiet this last week .

 

Why do you think that might be? 🤣

[Nick Carter icp]

2 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

 

So by your reckoning, all Americans should suffer because some of them voted for a particular candidate? What about those who didn't vote for the HAMAS political wing? 

Try to stop this collective blaming/collective punishment mindset. It's unhealthy.

 

 

   If your elected Government starts a war against its neighbour, like Hamas did , then your whole Country will be at war .

  

[Nick Carter icp]

3 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

 

Please demonstrate when and where this happened? 1948?

This is the kind of mistruth that is spread to make it appear that the Palestinian people are unreasonable.

Please demonstrate the timeline and dates in so your statements can be checked. Or they should be removed as false/unverified statements.

 

   Israel accepted the two state solution in 1948 and it was the Palestinians who rejected a Palestinian state .

   Palestinians have continually rejected the two state solution since.

 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

13 minutes ago, SMIAI said:

 

So by your reckoning, all Americans should suffer because some of them voted for a particular candidate? What about those who didn't vote for the HAMAS political wing? 

Try to stop this collective blaming/collective punishment mindset. It's unhealthy.

 

 

 

Well, that just about the most absurd reply on here today; what do you not understand about Hamas being voted into power by the Palestinians in Gaza in 2006.

 

It means that they are the representative government of all Palestinians in Gaza, and everything they do, they do on behalf of all those Palestinians. Quite remarkable that you cannot understand such a simple concept.

 

 

[Social Media]

Please read the OP to discuss the topic. Once you've done that, please discuss the topic, not the same historical or unrelated subjects that just hijacks the discussion, there are plenty of other general Hamas/Israel war topics.

 

Any further posts off topic will be removed:

 

The Unwavering Support for Hamas: A Moral Blind Spot

[Bkk Brian]

44 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

 

 

Perhaps we need a standardized statement unequivocally condemning Hamas as a heinous terrorist organization and the attack by Hamas on innocent Jews and others in Israel as the heinous terrorist act that it was.

 

It’s a clear statement that I and many critics of Israel’s war on Gaza have frequently made, so not at all contentious.

 

We might then append that statement to any and all criticism of Israel’s war in Gaza or any statement on the rights of Palestinians.

We could even have law requiring the statement to always be included when discussing anything about the plight of Palestinians or the conduct of the war in Gaza.

 

 

 

Get out of jail free card you mean. I can say what I like because I have this appended statement covering me. How do you think the UK Muslim population would think about that

 

From the article in the OP:

"One of the most troubling aspects of this silence is the lack of condemnation from within British Islamic communities. In a discussion last week, a Muslim friend despaired in a text message, asking, “Which Imam in Britain called [Hamas] out?” Where, indeed, is the true moral voice of Islam in Britain? Where are the "not in my name" petitions? "

 

[Nick Carter icp]

The bigger photo from the O.P.

Hamas took two babies as hostages (Which is a war crime) , they took a 9 month old baby , a 2 year old and its Mother as hostages .

   Hamas strangled the two babies after 1 month , killed them with their bare hands and then desecrated the bodies it make it  appear like they died in an Israeli airstrike . They tried to hide the strangulation and make it appear they died in a bomb attack .

    I really hope that the Mother was already dead and didn't see what Hamas did to her babies 

   After keeping the dead bodies for 14 months , they give the bodies back in exchange for prisoners , prisoners  who had been jail for mass murder .

     Hamas then displayed the coffins of the deceased with a poster stating that Netanyahu is a war criminal who is responsible to the babies deaths and they add the word Nazi in for good measure .

   They sang and joyfully danced when handing over the deceased bodies and got children to dance on the same stage .

 Israelis line the road to mourn their returning dead  .

Hamas had put the body of a Palestinian woman in the coffin instead of the Israeli Mother 

    Everytime Hamas sink to new depths of evil , they always seem to go even lower 

[Eloquent pilgrim]

1 hour ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

 

 

Perhaps we need a standardized statement unequivocally condemning Hamas as a heinous terrorist organization and the attack by Hamas on innocent Jews and others in Israel as the heinous terrorist act that it was.

 

It’s a clear statement that I and many critics of Israel’s war on Gaza have frequently made, so not at all contentious.

 

We might then append that statement to any and all criticism of Israel’s war in Gaza or any statement on the rights of Palestinians.

We could even have law requiring the statement to always be included when discussing anything about the plight of Palestinians or the conduct of the war in Gaza.

 

 

 

 

 

Oh, so you would like a disclaimer so that anyone could make whatever antisemitic comments they like without being called out, as long as they prefixed their comment with said disclaimer … righto

 

I wonder why you, out of all the posters on here has suggested that, and would even like to see it enshrined into law; now let me think ¯\_(ツ)_/¯