This is Leadership: Zelenskyy offers to step down in exchange for peace and Nato membership

[AndreasHG]

 

This is leadership!

 

 

 

[DaLa]

Well we know he is being supported by Europe and the US to date, but what happens if Ukraine join NATO and there's further conflict.

[sharot724]

Former Nato chief Jens Stoltenberg said Ukraine could join "in the long term" but not until after the war ended.

No. It is against NATO Charter to grant Nato membership to countries involved in conflict.

 

All I can find is no

[thaibeachlovers]

What a joke. He knows Ukraine isn't going to be allowed to join NATO, so he isn't going anywhere.

After all, he is a comedian pretending to be a president.

[rough diamond]

1 hour ago, thaibeachlovers said:

After all, he is a comedian pretending to be a president.

Same as Trump is an ex TV showman masquerading as a president.

[Jeff the Chef]

On 2/24/2025 at 4:27 PM, DaLa said:

Well we know he is being supported by Europe and the US to date, but what happens if Ukraine join NATO and there's further conflict.

 

NATO would need to get it's act together and take Putin on, get rid of the dictator and give the Russian people free democratic elections.

 

BTW Churchill was right at the end of WW11, should have gone through this then, before everyman and his dog got nuclear.

[thaibeachlovers]

2 hours ago, rough diamond said:

Same as Trump is an ex TV showman masquerading as a president.

Trump must own you! Topic isn't about Trump but you felt compelled to say something about him.

 

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

NATO would need to get it's act together and take Putin on, get rid of the dictator and give the Russian people free democratic elections.

 

BTW Churchill was right at the end of WW11, should have gone through this then, before everyman and his dog got nuclear.

Sure sure. That's why Churchill agreed to give all those countries to Stalin, wasn't it!

 

Take on the Soviets, armed to the teeth with American weapons delivered by the R N, and having conquered Europe past Berlin, what could possibly go wrong with that little scheme?

 

BTW Churchill was right at the end of WWII, should have gone through this then, before everyman and his dog got nuclear.

 

Fixed it for you. Thankfully we haven't got to WW3 yet, never mind 11

[theblether]

Wild and pathetic offer. NATO is a life or death institution. Not a toy for vain politicians. 

 

The idea that Zelensky's resignation would encourage NATO into a potential ARTICLE 5 trap calls into question his judgement and sanity. 

 

Truly absurd. 

[frank83628]

Its not leadership, he knows he will lose when elections are held because his popularity ratng is pure usiad funded propaganda.

His own neo Nazis or CIA will take him out soon, now he is of no use

[frank83628]

On 2/24/2025 at 4:19 PM, AndreasHG said:

 

This is leadership!

 

 

 

Are all those usiad funded news channels?

[thaibeachlovers]

1 hour ago, Jeff the Chef said:

NATO would need to get it's act together and take Putin on, get rid of the dictator and give the Russian people free democratic elections.

Isn't that what they tried to do in Afghanistan for 20 years, and look how that turned out?

 

As seen in Ukraine, countries invaded by the enemy ( NATO in your case ) don't tend to welcome them with open arms.

[thaibeachlovers]

3 minutes ago, frank83628 said:

Its not leadership, he knows he will lose when elections are held because his popularity ratng is pure usiad funded propaganda.

His own neo Nazis or CIA will take him out soon, now he is of no use

I'm sure he doesn't want to end up like Mussolini, or that Eastern Euro guy, and has a sub loaded with his loot waiting in Odessa to take him to Argentina.

[Jeff the Chef]

18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Isn't that what they tried to do in Afghanistan for 20 years, and look how that turned out?

 

Not anything like the end of WW2.

The Afghans have never been converted to any ideology, except their own since the British Empire tried it, IMHO best left alone, completely different culture.

 

18 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

As seen in Ukraine, countries invaded by the enemy ( NATO in your case ) don't tend to welcome them with open arms.

 

I believe Ukraine voted by a large majority for western style democracy, not the Russian style, so why would they not welcome help to achieve that and not go backwards to Russia.

[thaibeachlovers]

1 minute ago, Jeff the Chef said:

 

Not anything like the end of WW2.

The Afghans have never been converted to any ideology, except their own since the British Empire tried it, IMHO best left alone, completely different culture.

 

 

I believe Ukraine voted by a large majority for western style democracy, not the Russian style, so why would they not welcome help to achieve that and not go backwards to Russia.

I responded to your post saying "NATO would need to get it's act together and take Putin on, get rid of the dictator and give the Russian people free democratic elections" and you replied with something that has nothing to do with giving Russians democracy.

 

BTW, the Russians have a different culture from western nations.

[MicroB]

18 hours ago, rough diamond said:

Same as Trump is an ex TV showman masquerading as a president.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Gweiloman]

On 2/26/2025 at 9:36 AM, Jeff the Chef said:

 

NATO would need to get it's act together and take Putin on, get rid of the dictator and give the Russian people free democratic elections.

 

BTW Churchill was right at the end of WW11, should have gone through this then, before everyman and his dog got nuclear.

Free democratic elections… like cancelling elections in Romania when the wrong candidate is in the lead? Like trying to ban  the 2nd most popular party in Germany? Like electing a President who has effectively divided his country in two and threatening to militarily, if needed, to embark on a land grab of what are supposedly allies? Not to mention that keeping the conflict going means continuing martial law = no elections = staying on as President indefinitely. What a great system for dictators.

[rabas]

4 hours ago, Gweiloman said:

Free democratic elections… like cancelling elections in Romania when the wrong candidate is in the lead? Like trying to ban  the 2nd most popular party in Germany? Like electing a President who has effectively divided his country in two and threatening to militarily, if needed, to embark on a land grab of what are supposedly allies? Not to mention that keeping the conflict going means continuing martial law = no elections = staying on as President indefinitely. What a great system for dictators.

 

Nothing like half-truth Russian propaganda to start the day.  Lets look at the real Putin stooge "candidate" barred from the election. Now arrested along with his hidden $10M Russian slush fund, heavy weapons, and tickets to Moscow.  

 

 

[Gweiloman]

17 hours ago, rabas said:

 

Nothing like half-truth Russian propaganda to start the day.  Lets look at the real Putin stooge "candidate" barred from the election. Now arrested along with his hidden $10M Russian slush fund, heavy weapons, and tickets to Moscow.  

 

 

Half truth Russian propaganda? Even the VPOTUS publicly stated the lack of democracy in Romania. Are American leaders now also Putin shills? My God, some of you guys are so wrapped up in your own narrative, you sound like a cultist. At least you’re in good company on AN.

[uncletiger]

Question: What just happened here?

Answer:  The next major plot development in this movie was just released. Now, even RINOs like Lindsay Graham are taking advantage of the optics to disparage Zelensky. Zelensky just gave every Congressman political cover to stop supporting him.  Hollywood script writers couldn't have produced a better reason for America to disassociate completely from Ukraine.

 

Whatever deal Zelensky thought might be possible, it is now going to be so much worse. The European globalists are about to experience the combined wrath of the United States and Russia. If you wanted to guarantee the destruction of Ukraine, this was the way to do it.

 

 

 

[MicroB]

18 minutes ago, uncletiger said:

Question:

 

 

Comedian.

[thaibeachlovers]

43 minutes ago, uncletiger said:

Question: What just happened here?

Answer:  The next major plot development in this movie was just released. Now, even RINOs like Lindsay Graham are taking advantage of the optics to disparage Zelensky. Zelensky just gave every Congressman political cover to stop supporting him.  Hollywood script writers couldn't have produced a better reason for America to disassociate completely from Ukraine.

 

Whatever deal Zelensky thought might be possible, it is now going to be so much worse. The European globalists are about to experience the combined wrath of the United States and Russia. If you wanted to guarantee the destruction of Ukraine, this was the way to do it.

 

 

 

It was so bizarre ( did Zelensky really not know what he was doing? ) that I suspect it was a deliberate ploy to

a/ get the Euros on board to take over from the US?

or

b/ have an excuse to bow out and enjoy his loot in Argentina?

or

c/ knowing Ukraine is done and dusted going out with a bang?

[uncletiger]

13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

It was so bizarre ( did Zelensky really not know what he was doing? ) that I suspect it was a deliberate ploy to

a/ get the Euros on board to take over from the US?

or

b/ have an excuse to bow out and enjoy his loot in Argentina?

or

c/ knowing Ukraine is done and dusted going out with a bang?

 

Given that Zelensky brought along Oleksandr Usyk's WBC undisputed belt to the meeting, I suspect that this was a very well rehearsed event that had a purpose far beyond just himself.  In fact, it's hard to imagine that Trump and Vance weren't willing participants in the skit, as Zelensky couldn't possibly have predicted their reactions if it wasn't coordinated.

[sharot724]

German president on recent events- “The scene in the White House yesterday took my breath away. I would never have believed that we would one day have to protect Ukraine from the USA” Frank-Walter Steinmeier

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/03/01/donald-trump-volodymyr-zelensky-ukraine-peace-latest/

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2025/03/01/donald-trump-volodymyr-zelensky-ukraine-peace-latest/

 

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/royal/2021281/king-charles-offers-olive-branch

 

[sharot724]

 

[sharot724]